Genetic Origins of Pakistan by Razib Khan

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Ab yeh padho aur doob maro.
Pre-Islamic Hindu and Buddhist heritage of Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hatred does strange things to people and one of them is that it takes away rational thinking. I don't even know you. I don't hate you but truly speaking I love fingering you bcoz you hate me for reasons which can't be attributed to any of my acts or my religion.
Buddhist,Ok i agree

and about hindu..there must be small tribes of hindu in afghanistan back than.but this doesnt most of the local were hindu..

Well in punjabi you indeed would find some sort of Hindu related culture.especially in there wedding.

But in pashto culture.not even there are similarities between the pakistani punjabi and pashtun let alone with india/indians.
 

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@Decklender from your own Link

"Kábul has a castle celebrated for its strength, accessible only by one road. In it there are Musulmáns, and it has a town, in which are infidels from Hind."[3]
—Istahkrí, 921 AD
seems like there was only one town of hindus in afghanistan.
 

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Liar. Let me see you post just five scholarly genetics papers.All you do is bluff. You are a true Pakhanastani.
BTW, bennedose is a scholar and he specialise in many fields to include Pakistan and China, even though I believe his speciality is the medical field!

Just be careful. He wields a deft surgical knife and has a horror of a sarcastic tone to boot! ;)
 

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I don't quite get you.
Well the rule is, when you post an article you agree with it or you write some thing pro and against it otherwise.

Also I misunderstood that it is OP #1; agreeing with OP article becomes more prominent in that case.

You highlighted a paragraph from that article and the heading of thread and following posts were discussing that paragraph.So you were doing your bit pertaining to the heading of the thread and I did my bit by bringing fallacies of that article out.
 

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could be but very few words

but a pashto speaker can understand some parts of dari.and can learn dari very quickly if wants to.

Pashto at best is closest to dari of afghanistan at the moment
Chacha,

What about the rest of the stuff that has been put out for your knowledge of your roots?

Comment on that too!
 

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I find it very strange, why recently Pakistani have started owing King Puru, especially with one tag that he was Punjabi.

If I am not wrong he was a Hindu king who must have been speaking Sanskrit and performing Hindu karm kand. Please correct me.
 

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Farhan rora, Genetics do not support that. You are Indic.
There is a 200$ test in India (I am not sure about Pakistan) which will analyze your DNA. Get it done, and prove that you are not Indic.

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Gujarati_B = Sample of the most Indic Subcontinental

BLUE = Indian Subcontinent Origin
YELLOW = East Asian Origin
RED = European Origin
PINK = Druze Origin
GREEN = Southern Middle Eastern Origin

What we see is that Pathans have a majority Indic blood.
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can we know about the background of the tests?

What if they have selected the indian pashtun as subject for tests?
And we know alot of inter marriages had happened between the pashtun and indians in india/

i would rather ask them to take the DNA of tribe like wazir,banusi,mahsud,dawar,orakzai and many such more.
among these tribe it is strickly prohibited to get married to any other caste like punjabi or the rest of pakistan....

tribes such as marwat,afridi,battani,yousifzai.they opt for marriages even with non pashtuns.

so it depends on the subject aswell.

the test is expensive otherwise i would have done it even today if possible
 

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My friends has repeatedly told me even if indian reaches upto moon or they are confirmed to be the descendent of Quresh or bani israel still dont associate themselves with indians.it is just the name india/indians which sound weird

Imagine if someone call me Indian...Yukhhhhh..give me feeling of eating cockroach
yukhiiii

he also told me when a indian asked him what would you prefer to be called indian or Pig?
he told me he smiled and said PIG




your friend must be zaid hamid..:p:p

Today you proved that you are a true pakistani. a true pakistani who defamed/abused Islam and prefer to call himself pig than Indian.:rofl::rofl:

you r a true Pakistani, who say yuukkkk at feeling of eating cockroach but love Chinese who cockroaches and rat and many more :taunt1::taunt1:

True pakistani who is do-gala (Hippocrate)
 
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Before the Islamic conquest of Afghanistan, the territory was a religious sediment of Zoroastrianism (northeast), Paganism (south and east), Buddhism (southeast), Hinduism (Kabul/Logar) and others. It was inhabited by various peoples, including Persians, Khalaj, Turks, and Afghans. South of the Hindu Kush was ruled by the Zunbils, offspring of the southern-Hephthalite. The east was controlled by the Kabul Shahis. The Zunbil and Kabul Shahis were connected by culture with the neighboring Indian subcontinent. The Zunbil kings worshipped a sun god by the name of Zun from which they derived their name. Some contemporary historians wrongly assume that everyone who worshipped idols in South Asia were Hindus. For example, André Wink writes that "the cult of Zun was primarily Hindu, not Buddhist or Zoroastrian."[8] It should be noted that not all idol worshipping is considered part of Hinduism. Idol worshipping existed all over the world, including in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

In 643 AD the non-Muslim Zunbils assembled a large army and attempted to invade Persia, which had just been Islamized, but were defeated by the Muslims. About ten years later, in 653-4 AD, Abdur Rahman bin Samara along with 6,000 Arab Muslims penetrated the Zunbil territory and made their way to the shrine of Zun in Zamindawar, which was believed to be located about three miles south of Musa Qala in today's Helmand Province of Afghanistan. The General of the Arab army "broke of a hand of the idol and plucked out the rubies which were its eyes in order to persuade the Marzbān of Sīstān of the god's worthlessness."[9]

The Kabul Shahi ruled north of the Zunbil territory, which included Kabulistan and Gandahara. The Arabs reached Kabul with the message of Islam but were not able to rule for long. The Kabul Shahis decided to build a giant wall around the city to prevent more Arab invasions, this wall is still visible today.

Willem Vogelsang in his 2002 book writes: "During the eighth and ninth centuries AD the eastern parts of modern Afghanistan were still in the hands of non-Muslim rulers. The Muslims tended to regard them as Indians, although many of the local rulers were apparently of Hunnic or Turkic descent. Yet, the Muslims were right in so far as the non Muslim population of Eastern Afghanistan was, culturally, strongly linked to the Indian sub-continent. Most of them were either Hindus or Buddhists."[10] In 870 AD the Saffarids from Zaranj conquered most of Afghanistan, establishing Muslim governors throughout the land. It is reported that Muslims and non-Muslims still lived side by side before the arrival of the Ghaznavids in the 10th century.

"Kábul has a castle celebrated for its strength, accessible only by one road. In it there are Musulmáns, and it has a town, in which are infidels from Hind."[11]
—Istahkrí, 921 AD

The first confirmed mention of a Hindu in Afghanistan appears in the 982 AD Ḥudūd al-ʿĀlam, where it speaks of a king in "Ninhar" (Nangarhar), who shows a public display of conversion to Islam, even though he had over 30 wives, which are described as "Muslim, Afghan, and Hindu" wives.[12] It should be noted that these names were often used as geographical terms. For example, Hindu (or Hindustani) has been historically used as a geographical term to describe someone who was native from the region known as Hindustan (Indian subcontinent), and Afghan as someone who was native from a region called Afghanistan.

Martin Ewans in his 2002 book writes: "Even then a Hindu dynasty the Hindu Shahis, held Gandhara and the eastern borders. From the tenth century onwards as Persian language and culture continued to spread into Afghanistan, the focus of power shifted to Ghazni, where a Turkish dynasty, who started by ruling the town for the Samanid dynasty of Bokhara, proceeded to create an empire in their own right. The greatest of the Ghaznavids was Muhmad who ruled between 998 and 1030. He expelled the Hindus from Ghandhara, made no fewer than 17 raids into India. He encouraged mass conversions to Islam, in Pakistan as well as in Afghanistan."[13]

When Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni began crossing the Indus River into Hindustan (land of Hindus) in the 10th century, the Ghaznavid Muslims began bringing Hindu slaves to what is now Afghanistan. Al-Idirisi testifies that until as late as the 12th century, a contract of investiture for every Shahi king was performed at Kabul and that here he was obliged to agree to certain ancient conditions which completed the contract.[14] The Ghaznavid military incursions assured the domination of Sunni Islam in what is now Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Ghaznavid Empire was further expanded by the Ghurids. During the Khilji dynasty, there was also free movement between people from India and Afghanistan. It continued this way until the Mughals followed by the Suris and the Durranis.

Hinduism in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Enjoy!
 

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can we know about the background of the tests?

What if they have selected the indian pashtun as subject for tests?
And we know alot of inter marriages had happened between the pashtun and indians in india/

i would rather ask them to take the DNA of tribe like wazir,banusi,mahsud,dawar,orakzai and many such more.
among these tribe it is strickly prohibited to get married to any other caste like punjabi or the rest of pakistan....

tribes such as marwat,afridi,battani,yousifzai.they opt for marriages even with non pashtuns.

so it depends on the subject aswell.

the test is expensive otherwise i would have done it even today if possible
I could have donated you some money to do those tests but it is illegal in India to help anyone commit suicide!
 

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Buddhist,Ok i agree

and about hindu..there must be small tribes of hindu in afghanistan back than.but this doesnt most of the local were hindu..

Well in punjabi you indeed would find some sort of Hindu related culture.especially in there wedding.

But in pashto culture.not even there are similarities between the pakistani punjabi and pashtun let alone with india/indians.
bro Farhaan, A language is said to have its origin in another language if it has grammer which is derived from that language. Pushto has its grammer from Hindi and not from Dari/Persian. For last over 1000 yrs, Afganistan has been islamic. So the language and the script has undergone a change but the basics have remained same. I somehow fail to understand your aversion to being called a hindu of the past and your stubbornness to reject your glorious past to prove yourself to be from an ancestory which has no claim to glory. In India we trust a Pathan more than we trust anyother Pakistani. Such a trust is not built overnite, it takes many many generations.
Punjabi for your information does not have grammer. It is one of the few languages of the world which does not have grammer. But yes the punjabi grammer is-teri maadee, teri behen dee etc. Infact some punjabies claimed kolavari Di song to be punjabi for this very reason.lolz.
Lastly, we have more Pathans in India than whole of Afganistan and Pakistan put together. Pathans have served in the armies of many hindu kings with distinction and as late as third battle of Panipat wherein two of the top generals of Marathas were Pathans. One of the wives of Bajirao Peshwa was a Pathan lady by the name of Mastani. her son died in the third battle of Panipat fighting Ahmed Shah Abdali.
 

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India has one-sixth of the world's population. Your poverty percentage is much higher than ours. Numbers don't matter when population differs by such margins. Percentage does.
Ok quote the poverty by %age from reputed sites.

Not indian or pakistan sites..as i can even quote that poverty has reduced to 12% from Pakistani survey and media

if i am not wrong at the moment the pakistan poverty %age wise stand at 22-23% and india 35%

ok well you post it first
 

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I could have donated you some money to do those tests but it is illegal in India to help anyone commit suicide!
please donate 200$ to my dalit friends from south india.

i will somehow manage to do the tests someday.

it is extremely embarrassing to be called indic.
 

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