India US Relations

[W.G.Ewald]

Thanks to US for arming our enemy, with F-16

General Dynamics has aircraft to sell and Congressmen in its pocket. Nothing personal against India; it's just business. :-(

 

[Galaxy]

U.S. companies keen to enter Indian defence market

The United States may have lost the competition for the Indian Air Force Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft but companies in the country remain in the race to support products for the fourth-generation fighter aircraft with missiles and other technology.

The loss of Boeing F18 Super Hornet and F16 Super Viper notwithstanding, American defence contractor Raytheon remains hopeful on the missiles the company thinks would go well with the aircraft the Government of India picks up. Part of the confidence arises from the fact that at least two of missiles – all-weather Paveway and Advanced Multirole Air-to-Air Missile (AAMRAAM) that are being pitched to go on with the next generation of aircraft have been tested by the IAF.

While the IAF has to decide on the missiles that would eventually go with the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), the company said it responded on Wednesday to another IAF Request for Information for High Speed Expendable Aerial Targeting offering the MALD (Miniature Air Launched Decoy).

The company is pitting it as it has developed the missile that can be fitted onto the C130J special forces transport aircraft that the Indian Air Force acquired recently. Raytheon is also seeking to enlarge its engagement with India into a full-fledged relationship."

Raytheon is seeking industrial partners and seeks to work with Indian industry. We are looking at the capability of the Indian industry without imposing risk of reliability and performance" Ed Miyashiro, Vice President of the Missiles Systems told a group correspondents invited by the company to visit its facility here.

The Hindu : News / National : U.S. companies keen to enter Indian defence market​

 

[SixSigma1978]

Just wanted to put this up:
I work for a major US financial client(the largest in the world actually), in the US.
ALL Pakistan Defence Forums (pakdefenceforum, pakistandefence etc) have been blocked off permanently here this week onwards- across the board!!
Access Denied (content_filter_denied)

Kudos to India-US partnership!! Our forums are very much available and uninterrupted!
Jai Hind!!:balle:

 

[LurkerBaba]

Just wanted to put this up:
I work for a major US financial client(the largest in the world actually), in the US.
ALL Pakistan Defence Forums (pakdefenceforum, pakistandefence etc) have been blocked off permanently here this week onwards- across the board!!
Access Denied (content_filter_denied)


Kudos to India-US partnership!! Our forums are very much available and uninterrupted!
Jai Hind!!:balle:

??

These are you company's policies and not that of USA.

 

[SixSigma1978]

I know - my point is - the dramatic drop in US-Paki relationship and the rise of US-India relationship filters down in such ways, if you look at grassroots.
I could access paki defence forums till about 3 months ago - now - ALL their websites seem to be getting blocked. But none of Indian defence websites are being touched - its a banking firm - obviously has no correlation to politics or defence - but the fact that our websites are left untouched does speak a lot about the changed realities

 

[Bangalorean]

??

These are you company's policies and not that of USA.

Even then, it is a nice thought...

 

[ejazr]

Well I think, US-India ties are crucial in this time and age. We need the US support and market as well as its web of alliances around the world to smooth onto the world stage. Keeping in view that China is and will continue to be IMO for a considerable period of time a rising economic and military power no matter what the short term changes happen there.

Once China goes of the picture either breaking up due to internal differences or becoming insignificant due to some other reason, then there is real chance of tussle between US and India like we saw with the US and China. In reality we are moving into a tripolar world where India US and China will side with each other to balance the third pole if they feel they are getting stronger.

I would also like to highlight to our American friends that while the American people consider democracy, cultural values e.t.c. as defining close allies, the US administration and foreign policy does not follow such a liberal stance. It follows hard nosed neo-realism. Some of the closest allies of the US have been dictators across the ME, South America and East Asia region at the expense of democratic liberal govt.s that were destablised and overthrown with US help because they considered this to be in US interests. When the Jalalluddin Haqqani was fighting the USSR, he was invited in the White House by Ronald Reagan and presented on American TV as the ideological equivalents as the founding fathers of Afghanistan. So the American people in general have very little awareness on foreign policy and neither do they care much. There are ofcourse some really talented Americans but I am talking about the majority.

So what can we expect the future say 30-40 years from now will be and how can we have a peaceful future without having a WW3?
I would suggest that we will need to come up with a sort of G3 grouping where India, US and China carve up their areas of influence and agree to not interfere in this areas without consulting the hegemon in this region.
For India, it would be the area starting below the Himalayas which includes South Asia, West Asia, the Indian Ocean RIM and overlapping influence in South East Asia and Central Asia.
For China, it would be the East Asia and the east Asian Pacific RIM along with over lapping influence with Centra and South East Asia. Pakistan should be excluded and any engagement should be deferred to Indian sensitivities.
For the US it would be the Western hemisphere. It should not interfere in the Middle East where its invasion of Iraq and indirect/direct support to the Pakistani Army has resulted in a mess that India has to clean up and tackle. If any action is to be taken, it should be deferred to Indian sensitivities.

This will establish a global balance of power and reduce areas of conflicts and misconceptions. But ofcourse, this can only happen when all three states are more or less equal in most power indicators and that would have to wait till 2040-2050.
Even then, India-US alignment would be more frequent than Indo-Chinese alignment on most issues.

 

[amitkriit]

A few days ago one of the top officials of US government described India as one of the potential threats to the US interests, that's the true nature of Indo-US relations. USA is acting smartly, taking on one enemy at a time. Once the Chinese threat is gone it will be our turn. USA cannot tolerate a strong India in such a strategically important region.

 

[Dovah]

A few days ago one of the top officials of US government described India as one of the potential threats to the US interests, that's the true nature of Indo-US relations. USA is acting smartly, taking on one enemy at a time. Once the Chinese threat is gone it will be our turn. USA cannot tolerate a strong India in such a strategically important region.

Then we should consolidate our position while the U.S is engaged with China, even if it means taking their help(something similar to what China did during Cold War).

 

[The Messiah]

A few days ago one of the top officials of US government described India as one of the potential threats to the US interests, that's the true nature of Indo-US relations. USA is acting smartly, taking on one enemy at a time. Once the Chinese threat is gone it will be our turn. USA cannot tolerate a strong India in such a strategically important region.

Correct analysis.

 

[Zebra]

A few days ago one of the top officials of US government described India as one of the potential threats to the US interests, that's the true nature of Indo-US relations. USA is acting smartly, taking on one enemy at a time. Once the Chinese threat is gone it will be our turn. USA cannot tolerate a strong India in such a strategically important region.

Dude , do you think - China threat will ever go in future ?

btw I don't think so .

 

[W.G.Ewald]

A few days ago one of the top officials of US government described India as one of the potential threats to the US interests, that's the true nature of Indo-US relations. USA is acting smartly, taking on one enemy at a time. Once the Chinese threat is gone it will be our turn. USA cannot tolerate a strong India in such a strategically important region.

It was Leon Panetta, Secretary of Defense, who said China and India are "rising threats" to the US. Panetta is a political appointee. His first concern as SecDef was making homosexuals feel welcome in the US military. He was out of his depth previously as CIA director.

 

[amoy]

Yes Minister

Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?
Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely?
Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing [the EEC] up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.
Hacker: But surely we're all committed to the European ideal?
Sir Humphrey: [chuckles] Really, Minister.
Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?
Sir Humphrey: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact; the more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.
Hacker: What appalling cynicism.
Sir Humphrey: Yes... We call it diplomacy, Minister.

 

[communismforindia]

Trusting USA is like trusting a rapist/serial killer .... no matter how friendly you are... you will be the VICTIM someday... good thing our ministers never readily follwed the counterweight to China bullshit, we have no time or interest to unneccessarily fuck up anyone else's country... and in the process fuck up our own country... just look at US for example... 10 years in afganisthan has caused them billions of dollars (maybe trillions)... the end result, terrorism still exists and so does taliban

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Trusting USA is like trusting a rapist/serial killer .... no matter how friendly you are... you will be the VICTIM someday... good thing our ministers never readily follwed the counterweight to China bullshit, we have no time or interest to unneccessarily fuck up anyone else's country... and in the process fuck up our own country... just look at US for example... 10 years in afganisthan has caused them billions of dollars (maybe trillions)... the end result, terrorism still exists and so does taliban

No repeat of an attack on the US on the scale of the WTC in the past 10 years. How about that, commie?

 

[The Messiah]

No repeat of an attack on the US on the scale of the WTC in the past 10 years. How about that, commie?

And yet can't keep those pesky latinos out!

It is your luck that you are located an ocean away. Replace mexico with pakistan and then we'll see.

 

[communismforindia]

No repeat of an attack on the US on the scale of the WTC in the past 10 years. How about that, commie?

How will they be attacked?? you have made afganisthan bankcrupt... it seems even terrorists now cannot afford to board a plane

 

[W.G.Ewald]

And yet can't keep those pesky latinos out!

It is your luck that you are located an ocean away. Replace mexico with pakistan and then we'll see.

Those pesky Latinos are just setting right the outcome of the Mexican War of 1847, and they don't blow up our buildings, they pick our grapes.

And, no thanks, you keep Pakistan close to you.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

How will they be attacked?? you have made afganisthan bankcrupt... it seems even terrorists now cannot afford to board a plane

Seriously, when Bush was in office there was a great outcry about steps taken to increase security. Obama ran for office promising he would undo all the injustices of Bush. Well, Guantanamo is still in business.

 

[Bangalorean]

Trusting USA is like trusting a rapist/serial killer .... no matter how friendly you are... you will be the VICTIM someday... good thing our ministers never readily follwed the counterweight to China bullshit, we have no time or interest to unneccessarily fuck up anyone else's country... and in the process fuck up our own country... just look at US for example... 10 years in afganisthan has caused them billions of dollars (maybe trillions)... the end result, terrorism still exists and so does taliban

You know, if the US were to really apply tactics like Saddam Hussein did on his populace, or the way the KGB used to control the Russian masses, there would be no Taliban. And let us not forget that the Pakis have been propping up the Taliban for years. The Taliban just cross the border after an attack, where US/NATO forces cannot get them. Rather, they are not authorized to get them there.

I agree that we should maintain an independent and cautious foreign policy and not get into any strategic military pacts with the US as of now. But then, blaming the US for the continued existence of the Taliban in Afghanistan is a little short sighted.