Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV)

[Rushil51]

Computer generated picture of the FICV by Tata.

 

[airtel]

Computer generated picture of the FICV by Tata.

what are the specifications ?

 

[sthf]

Very Abhay type looking hull with 35mm main gun turret. Not so impressive at the first glance. But I will reserve my judgement till a working prototype arrives on scene.

Hopefully Mahindra/BAE cooks up something better.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India's Future Main Battle Tank Will Come Without Life-Saving 'Active Protection System'
Written by Vishnu Som | Updated: Dec 22, 2016 19:26 IST

India has ordered 464 T-90MS 'Tagil' main battle tanks
Story Highlights

• The T-90MS 'Tagil' will not be equipped with modern active armour systems
• Active armour tanks detect launch of hostile missiles and tank shells
• At the moment, no Indian Army tank has an active armour system

New Delhi: India's future main battle tank, the T-90MS 'Tagil', which will be license manufactured in Avadi in Chennai, will not be equipped with new-generation active protection systems that destroy incoming missiles and shells before they can hit the tank. Active protection systems have saved the lives of dozens of tank crew deployed in Israeli combat operations in Gaza and have now been deployed by the Russian Army in operations in Syria.

For decades, tanks have depended on their armour to protect their crew from enemy shells and anti-tank guided missiles. However, the singular vulnerability of modern tanks to the latest anti-tank guided missiles in the ongoing Iraq and Syria conflicts have raised serious question marks on the ability of armour alone to prevent casualties among tank crews.

Active protection systems are meant to counter this threat. Radars fitted on tanks detect the launch of hostile missiles and tank shells, predict their incoming trajectory and launch guided ammunition that can destroy or deflect hostile projectiles upto 50 metres away from the tank. The ensuing blast destroys the enemy missile, rocket propelled grenade or shell before it can pierce the armour of the tank.

T-90 tank fitted with Arena Active Protection System

NDTV has learned that the Russian 'Arena' active protection system and the Israeli 'Trophy' system were both being considered for the Indian Army's new T-90MS tanks based on the formidable reputation they have earned during combat. However, the 'Arena' system was withdrawn from the competition at the technical evaluation stage prior to field trials being held because it did not meet the technical criterion spelt out by the Indian Army.

The withdrawal of the 'Arena' resulted in a single-vendor situation with only the Israeli 'Trophy' remaining in the race. This is a scenario the government looks to avoid in major defence purchases since it no longer has the ability to choose the least expensive system among the shortlisted options available. Accordingly, in late October this year, the Defence Acquisition Committee rejected the import of all active protection systems. These were likely to have cost approximately Rs 2 crore per tank. Now, the government has ordered a feasibility study to see if the systems can be developed in the country under the government's flagship 'Make in India' programme which may involve a joint venture with a foreign firm.

Israeli Trophy Active Protection System mounted on Israeli Army Merkava IV tank

The delay in the acquisition of active defence systems for its tanks is a cause of concern for the Indian Army. Videos of the conflict in Syria and Iraq uploaded by rebel fighters on YouTube clearly show modern American-built M1 A1 'Abrams' and German designed Leopard 2A4 tanks being destroyed by Russian or American anti-tank guided missiles which have been supplied to rebel fighters. According to the website 'War is Boring' which has monitored the conflict in Syria, "There's no fewer than 1,800 T-55, T-62 and T-72 tanks plus BMP fighting vehicles exploded, burned, disabled or seized by rebels - with potentially thousands of crewmen also being killed injured or captured."

In November, the government cleared a Rs 13,448 crore deal to acquire 464 brand-new T-90MS 'Tagil' tanks. India already operates more than 800 T-90S tanks first delivered by Russia in 2001. These are considerably less capable than the T-90MS which has now been ordered. All T-90s form the cutting edge of the Indian Army's armoured formations and would be an integral part of any offensive across Punjab and Rajasthan in the event of war with Pakistan. At the moment, no tank in Indian Army service has an active protection system.

 

[airtel]

Hopefully Mahindra/BAE cooks up something better.

they will deliver something like this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90

 

[sthf]

Could be or it could be a new programme from the ground up. CV90 though a good design feels a wee bit outdated.

With 2500 units minimum to be ordered it definitely warrants a new design as far as feasibility is concerned. It maybe just me but Mech infantry units are going to be substantially increased by the end of next decade if things goes well, economy wise.

 

[charlie]

India's Future Main Battle Tank Will Come Without Life-Saving 'Active Protection System'
Written by Vishnu Som | Updated: Dec 22, 2016 19:26 IST

India has ordered 464 T-90MS 'Tagil' main battle tanks
Story Highlights

• The T-90MS 'Tagil' will not be equipped with modern active armour systems
• Active armour tanks detect launch of hostile missiles and tank shells
• At the moment, no Indian Army tank has an active armour system

T-90 tank fitted with Arena Active Protection System

Israeli Trophy Active Protection System mounted on Israeli Army Merkava IV tank

well Vishnu Som needs to learn more about defence reporting, Just to make it spicy they started using words like "Life saving"

 

[Indx TechStyle]

well Vishnu Som needs to learn more about defence reporting, Just to make it spicy they started using words like "Life saving"

Sorry for quoting NDTV at first place which says army doesn't have armour systems.

 

[Rushil51]

they will deliver something like this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90

Wonder how much will be indigenous technology and how much will be Screwdriver-giri. Considering they are yet to even release an image (?), I don't have much hope.

On the other hand Tata/DRDO has already showcased a wheeled Model and a tracked prototype. Hope their tech is advanced enough to win.

 

[Chinmoy]

well Vishnu Som needs to learn more about defence reporting, Just to make it spicy they started using words like "Life saving"

@Indx TechStyle @charlie ......... Vishnu Som at his nonsensical best. BTW what would you call a person who compares T-90MS with FMBT, which is still there in paper.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

@Indx TechStyle @charlie ......... Vishnu Som at his nonsensical best. BTW what would you call a person who compares T-90MS with FMBT, which is still there in paper.

For further regarding his disinformation:

Indian T90s have active protection..n April 2008, the Indian Army sent arequest for proposal to Rafael, BAE Systems,Raytheon, Rosoboronexport, Saab, and IBD Deisenroth Engineering for an active protection system for the T-90S Bhishma.[23]The contract is expected to be worth US$270 million. Saab's LEDS-150 won the contract in January 2009

He just proved that he writes for NDTV.

 

[Chinmoy]

For further regarding his disinformation:

Indian T90s have active protection..n April 2008, the Indian Army sent arequest for proposal to Rafael, BAE Systems,Raytheon, Rosoboronexport, Saab, and IBD Deisenroth Engineering for an active protection system for the T-90S Bhishma.[23]The contract is expected to be worth US$270 million. Saab's LEDS-150 won the contract in January 2009

He just proved that he writes for NDTV.

Not only that, he just proved what happens when you give "Damru" in hand of "Bandar" rather then "Madari"

 

[mavles ihctep]

For further regarding his disinformation:

Indian T90s have active protection..n April 2008, the Indian Army sent arequest for proposal to Rafael, BAE Systems,Raytheon, Rosoboronexport, Saab, and IBD Deisenroth Engineering for an active protection system for the T-90S Bhishma.[23]The contract is expected to be worth US$270 million. Saab's LEDS-150 won the contract in January 2009

He just proved that he writes for NDTV.

There is no credible link to prove we bought saab LEDS 150

 

[Indx TechStyle]

There is no credible link to prove we bought saab LEDS 150

How do you define creditability?

 

[Chinmoy]

Tata Power SED to Produce Active Protection Systems for Saab

http://defense-update.com/20160330_leds_india.html

 

[Bornubus]

No Bhishma has APS protection system. The deal with Saab never materialize.

How do you define creditability?

 

[mavles ihctep]

Don't know why army is so lethargic. We didn't learn any lesson from 1987 jaffna debacle.when we first deployed 3 t72 in jaffna it was blown by ltte using simple rpg rockets.After that we never used T72 tank in Jaffna.
We r still buying this russian watered down T series tanks

 

[mavles ihctep]

Tata Power SED to Produce Active Protection Systems for Saab

http://defense-update.com/20160330_leds_india.html

Like any deals in indian defence sector this also doesn't materialise

 

[Chinmoy]

Like any deals in indian defence sector this also doesn't materialise

TATA SED doesn't make the whole system, but component of it.

 

[armyofhind]

Very Abhay type looking hull with 35mm main gun turret. Not so impressive at the first glance. But I will reserve my judgement till a working prototype arrives on scene.

Hopefully Mahindra/BAE cooks up something better.

That was my first thought too when I saw the design. It does look quite a lot like Abhay.

Although looks are hardly a parameter for field performance. Any specs released on the armor?

And what happened to the Kestrel platform.?