From freedom fighters to terrorists: US attitude shift

[amoy]

An interesting read >>> The War in Chechnya: What Is At Stake? dated back to 1999

WHAT SHOULD THE U.S. DO?
For over a year, while the clouds of war were gathering over the North Caucasus, the Clinton Administration did nothing to defuse the ticking bomb.9 Now the Administration has begun to issue weak statements of concern about the level of violence by Russia against the civilians in Chechnya. At the same time, however, President Clinton, in a speech to Turkey's parliament on November 15, proclaimed, "We must help Russia to complete its momentous democratic revolution." National Security Adviser Sandy Berger urged that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) credits scheduled to be delivered to Russia in December not be halted because this "goes to the very stability of Russia."10

The Administration has not endorsed calls from the foreign ministers of Finland and Germany to stop the random violence and move to a negotiated solution. Nor did the White House support a NATO parliamentary assembly resolution calling on Russia to withdraw its troops from Moldova and Georgia.11 The Administration did not even support the position espoused by Russian liberal politician Grigory Yavlinsky, who called for a 30-day respite in the bombings to allow civilians to evacuate the war zone.

It is time for the Clinton Administration to work resolutely to facilitate a peaceful resolution of the crisis. Therefore, the United States should:

Suspend IMF credits to Russia.
The war costs at least $1 billion a month. The IMF is scheduled to provide Russia with $640 million in December to be applied toward Russia's IMF payments. Western assistance funds are fungible, which means that the money provided to repay the debt could be used instead to step up the war in Chechnya. IMF assistance to the Kremlin should be suspended until the war is over.12

Demand that Russia obey its commitments under the Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty.
Russia violated the current CFE treaty during the first Chechen war. It then requested a revision of the treaty, to which the United States agreed. Now, Russia again is in violation of the revised CFE treaty, which was signed at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) summit in Istanbul on November 19. It has surpassed the limits for aircraft and heavy military equipment it is allowed to keep in the Caucasus.13 Prior to signing the document, Russia demanded an expansion of the flank limitations, and NATO agreed. So far, Moscow has announced that it will comply with the treaty after it terminates the Chechen operation.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Jesse Helms (R-NC), Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS), and a number of other Senators wrote to President Clinton on November 10, calling Russia's conduct in Chechnya "a brutal assault on the core values of the OSCE. ...[T]hese military operations weaken each day the credibility and reliability of arms control treaties that are a cornerstone to international peace and stability." The Senators demanded that the President refuse to sign the Adapted CFE Treaty unless Russia ceased hostilities in Chechnya, withdrew its troops, and opened negotiations with the government of President Maskhadov. The Senators indicated that the Senate would be "reluctant to endorse" the treaty while Russia is in violation.

Encourage Russia to start peace negotiations under OSCE sponsorship and request that a permanent OSCE mission be dispatched to Chechnya.
To date, Russia has refused to negotiate with President Maskhadov or with other Chechen leaders under the aegis of the OSCE.14 Under OSCE rules, humanitarian issues are not exclusively the internal matter of any member, but can be addressed by other OSCE members. An OSCE mission in Chechnya functioned during the first Chechen war, and it is time to revive it. In addition to observing and facilitating negotiations, this mission could coordinate humanitarian assistance.

Western European leaders, such as Germany Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer and NATO Secretary General George Robertson, have appealed to Moscow to initiate peace talks.15 They and other European leaders should be supported in their efforts to end the war. When the Russians are ready to talk, the United States and the European Union should sponsor a broad conference for peace in the Northern Caucasus.

 

[amoy]

Then Ariel Cohen the same author changed his tone on October 23, 2012

Anti-Terrorism Operation in North Caucasus Exposes Russia's Vulnerabilities | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

This week, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, one of the leading Sunni scholars in the world and a spiritual guide of the Muslim Brotherhood, spoke on Qatar TV, saying that Russia "has become the number one enemy of the Muslims, because of its standing against the Syrian people. Over 30,000 [Sunni] Syrians have been killed" using Russian weapons.

His words are likely to have spoiled long-term Russian–Muslim and Russian–Arab relations and provided further impetus for the strengthening of radical forces in the North Caucasus.

The Islamist destabilization of the North Caucasus threatens the entire region, including the neighboring countries of Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan, as well as the security of oil and gas pipelines linking the Caspian Sea to Western Europe. The threat of attacks also calls into question the safety of large public events in Russia.

The Caucasus Emirate mujahedeen have already conducted attacks on energy infrastructure, trains, planes, concerts, theaters, and hospitals. The 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi and the World Soccer Cup could become targets as well.

While Russia is facing unprecedented security challenges, Moscow would not consider aligning itself closely with the West and the U.S. against common threats. Anti-Americanism is promoted from above, and as a result, Russian counterterrorism cooperation with the U.S. and its allies has fallen hostage to misguided anti-Western, anti-U.S., hard-line policies and propaganda.

 

[hit&run]

Hehehe, the US understands only when it feels the pain at home. India is all too familiar with this when the US bought its ally's version of freedom fighter and not terrorists in Kashmir.

Well as they say, der aaye durust aaye.

Not only that these are the same countries (USA, Canada, UK etc) who have been providing refuge to outlaws/terrorists of another nations and letting them raise funds. In the name of 'on humanitarian grounds' they have been not yielding anything to Indian agencies who are begging them to deport wanted criminals especially those who are wanted for armed insurgencies.

Recently an Indian who killed his family in USA was sought by India but he was living in USA.

Canada et al could have learnt the lesson then from bombing of IAI 182 flight, was a tragedy even bigger than what has happened in Boston, 268 Canadian nationals were killed. Even the witnesses were murdered in UK.

I hope now these states will lose their will to entertain terrorism of any type. But then these nations are top dogs who run their foreign affairs for bigger agendas with impunity as their population hardly gets involved for scrutiny or ridicule about their decisions. Now their cities are getting halted and seized like Mumbai was on 26/11, an honest reality check is obviously pending.

 

[asianobserve]

An interesting read >>> The War in Chechnya: What Is At Stake? dated back to 1999

WHAT SHOULD THE U.S. DO?
For over a year, while the clouds of war were gathering over the North Caucasus, the Clinton Administration did nothing to defuse the ticking bomb.9 Now the Administration has begun to issue weak statements of concern about the level of violence by Russia against the civilians in Chechnya. At the same time, however, President Clinton, in a speech to Turkey's parliament on November 15, proclaimed, "We must help Russia to complete its momentous democratic revolution." National Security Adviser Sandy Berger urged that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) credits scheduled to be delivered to Russia in December not be halted because this "goes to the very stability of Russia."10[/I]

It's not only Clinton that essentially turned a blind eye to Russia's Chechnyan operations (except for some lip service concerns on human rights), every US President since Clinton down to Obama has not brought Russia to task about its heavy handed approach in Chechnya and the other restive territories in the Caucasus. I previously posted the following article on this matter:

President Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton all avoided talking Chechnya

Read more: President Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton all avoided talking Chechnya - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

 

[satish007]

I have read that Sikhism developed partly from Islam.

Many American can not tell the difference,so Indian need to be careful in US recently.

 

[pmaitra]

US, Russia to Cooperate in Boston Bombings Probe - Kremlin

MOSCOW, April 20 (RIA Novosti) - United States and Russia might join efforts in the investigation into the Boston Marathon bombings if the suspects' ties to Russia are confirmed, the Kremlin's spokesman said on Saturday.

President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said that Russia has not yet received an official confirmation of the identities of two bombings suspects with reported family roots in Russia's volatile North Caucasus, but signaled that Russia is open for cooperation with the U.S. in the case.

"As all the circumstances and details get cleared, I think, our intelligence agencies will be in conctact" over the case, Peskov said in an interview with Rossia 24 state TV channel on Saturday.

On Friday, President Obama thanked Putin for his condolences, and praised the close cooperation that the United States has received from Russia on counter-terrorism, including in the wake of the Boston attack that killed at least three earlier this week. Earlier on Tuesday, Putin offered Russia's assistance in the investigation.
The only remaining suspect in the bombings, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, was taken into custody late Friday after a massive manhunt which followed a shootout with police on Thursday night in which his brother, 26-year-old Tamerlan, was fatally injured.

Interpol has issued an international security alert detailing the features of the improvised explosive devices used in the Boston marathon bombings to assist law enforcement across its member countries detect any similarly configured bombs.

Source: US, Russia to Cooperate in Boston Bombings Probe - Kremlin | Russia | RIA Novosti

 

[amoy]

Re: Boston bombings: Police in shoot out with gunmen outside Boston

New episodes of Boston Legal

The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap

The conclusion reached by DEBKAfile's counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.

Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.

By this tortuous path, the brothers earned the dubious distinction of being the first terrorist operatives to import al Qaeda terror to the United States through a winding route outside the Middle East – the Caucasus.

This broad region encompasses the autonomous or semi-autonomous Muslim republics of Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Chechnya, North Ossetia and Karachyevo-Cherkesiya, most of which the West has never heard of.

Moscow however keeps these republics on a tight military and intelligence leash, constantly putting down violent resistance by the Wahhabist cells, which draw support from certain Saudi sources and funds from the Riyadh government for building Wahhabist mosques and schools to disseminate the state religion of Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis feared that their convoluted involvement in the Caucasus would come embarrassingly to light when a Saudi student was questioned about his involvement in the bombng attacks while in a Boston hospital with badly burned hands.

They were concerned to enough to send Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saudi al-Faisal to Washington Wednesday, April 17, in the middle of the Boston Marathon bombing crisis, for a private conversation with President Barack Obama and his national security adviser Tom Donilon on how to handle the Saudi angle of the bombing attack.

That day too, official Saudi domestic media launched an extraordinary three-day campaign. National and religious figures stood up and maintained that authentic Saudi Wahhabism does not espouse any form of terrorism or suicide jihadism and the national Saudi religion had nothing to do with the violence in Boston. "No matter what the nationality and religious of the perpetrators, they are terrorists and deviants who represent no one but themselves."

Prince Saud was on a mission to clear the 30,000 Saudi students in America of suspicion of engaging in terrorism for their country or religion, a taint which still lingers twelve years after 9/11. He was concerned that exposure of the Tsarnaev brothers' connections with Wahhabist groups in the Caucasus would revive the stigma.

The Tsarnaevs' recruitment by US intelligence as penetration agents against terrorist networks in southern Russia explains some otherwise baffling features of the event:

1. An elite American college in Cambridge admitted younger brother Dzhokhar and granted him a $2,500 scholarship, without subjecting him to the exceptionally stiff standard conditions of admission. This may be explained by his older brother Tamerlan demanding this privilege for his kid brother in part payment for recruitment.

2. When in 2011, a "foreign government" (Russian intelligence) asked the FBI to screen Tamerlan for suspected ties to Caucasian Wahhabist cells during a period in which they had begun pledging allegiance to al Qaeda, the agency, it was officially revealed, found nothing incriminating against him and let him go after a short interview.

He was not placed under surveillance. Neither was there any attempt to hide the fact that he paid a long visit to Russia last year and on his return began promoting radical Islam on social media.

Yet even after the Boston marathon bombings, when law enforcement agencies, heavily reinforced by federal and state personnel, desperately hunted the perpetrators, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was never mentioned as a possible suspect

3. Friday, four days after the twin explosions at the marathon finishing line, the FBI released footage of Suspect No. 1 in a black hat and Suspect No. 2 in a white hat walking briskly away from the crime scene, and appealed to the public to help the authorities identify the pair.

We now know this was a charade. The authorities knew exactly who they were. Suddenly, during the police pursuit of their getaway car from the MIT campus on Friday, they were fully identified. The brother who was killed in the chase was named Tamerlan, aged 26, and the one who escaped, only to be hunted down Saturday night hiding in a boat, was 19-year old Dzhokhar.

Our intelligence sources say that we may never know more than we do today about the Boston terrorist outrage which shook America – and most strikingly, Washington - this week. We may not have the full story of when and how the Chechen brothers were recruited by US intelligence as penetration agents – any more than we have got to the bottom of tales of other American double agents who turned coat and bit their recruiters.

 

[pmaitra]

Putin on Boston bombings: We suffered from terrorists almost never labeled such in the West

"Common fold in the US are not to be blamed, they don't understand what is happening. Here I am addressing them and our citizens to say that Russia is a victim of international terrorism too," he said.

"I was always appalled when our western partners and the western media called the terrorist, who did bloody crimes in our country, 'insurgents', and almost never 'terrorists'," Putin explained.

"They [the terrorists] were receiving help, informational, financial and political support. Sometimes directly and sometimes indirectly. And we were saying that we must do the job and not be content with declarations proclaiming terrorism a common threat. Those two have proved our position all too well," he added.

"I'm saying all this not to put the blame, but to call on bringing ourselves closer together in resisting our common threats, of which terrorism is one and more dangerous. If we truly join our efforts, we will not allow these strikes and suffer such losses," Putin concluded.

Source: Putin on Boston bombings: We suffered from terrorists almost never labeled such in the West — RT News

 

[Akim]

It would be funny if it were not so sad ...

N.B. I did not translate himself, and took advantage of the electronic translator. It may therefore be absurd.

Once in the U.S. media reported that the organizers of explosions during the Boston Marathon can be ethnic Chechens Many local Twitter users showed more than a poor knowledge of geography, having decided that the terrorists arrived in the United States ... of the Czech Republic.

"In the Czech Republic a good beer, beautiful women and the men who murdered athletes," - wrote one user.

"Father of the day a friend sent out SMS to none of them had traveled to Czechoslovakia," - said another.

"The two terrorists came from the Czech Republic. Way, where is it at all?" - Asked the third.

"Yes, they are from the Czech Republic. This is in India, is not it?" - Wondered user under the name of Stone.

Czech journalists who viewed messages of Americans on Twitter regarding the terrorist attack in Boston, and found this: "Damn the Czech Republic! I believe that now we bombed out of her!"

One user claimed to have seen on the website of the newspaper "New York Post," a phrase that "Chechnya - is a suburb of Czechoslovakia." There were reports that similar errors do even television channels CNN and NBC. Check the validity of these claims, however, is impossible, since at the present time such phrases on the web pages of these broadcasters do not.

After these statements, Ambassador of the Czech Republic to the United States Peter Gandalovič appealed to American citizens to the Czech Republic is not to be confused with Chechnya. His official statement posted on the Internet site of the Czech Embassy in the United States.

Ivan Gandalovič called such a mistake "very grievous misunderstanding." "Czech Republic is a country in Central Europe and Chechnya within the Russian Federation", - the report says.

The diplomat assured that the Czech Republic is the "active and reliable ally of the United States and fight against terrorism."
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[Bangalorean]

Putin on Boston bombings: We suffered from terrorists almost never labeled such in the West


Source: Putin on Boston bombings: We suffered from terrorists almost never labeled such in the West — RT News

And this is precisely what India should proclaim each time a terror attack happens in the West. For far too long, these silly Westerners have taken a nose-in-the-air high moral ground, dismissing terrorism as "third world problems born out of disaffection and deprivation". Now these people will understand.

If I had been a barbaric person I would have said "serves them right", but since I have some humanity left in me, I would just say, "we sympathize with the loss of life due to terrorism, but it it high time you guys gained some knowledge of geography and world politics, and stopped your hypocrisy w.r.t. terrorists"

 

[W.G.Ewald]

My opinion:

The Soviets and the Russians have been a doing a lot of things right, and the US, a lot of things wrong, ever since the Soviet-Mujahideen War that started in 1979.

If 9/11 and Boston are trends to go by, how long before there is another attack from someone from Syria?


@W.G.Ewald, @average american, @Energon, @Tronic, @asianobserve, @Akim, @Lidsky M.D, @Lubov, @KuleshovOleg

Everybody has an opinion.

US wants to bring down Assad. Syrian opposition is linked to Al Qaeda. Why does that mean more risk of a terrorist attack on US originating from Syria? Obama denies global jihad and will continue to do so; its support of FSA has not been explained in that or any other context.

RT is a government organ and can be expected to say what Putin wants it to say. Has anyone here seen otherwise?

 

[pmaitra]

Hypothesis?

Call it conspiracy theory if you will, but please listen with an open mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=630ypMKZY9g

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@W.G.Ewald, @average american, @Akim, @Tronic, @asianobserve, @IBSA, @Energon, @Known_Unknown

 

[pmaitra]

Тамерлана Царнаева завербовали через грузинский фонд
Source: Тамерлана Царнаева завербовали через грузинский фонд - Известия
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Tamerlane Tsarnaeva recruited via the Georgian Foundation
Translation:

One of the organizers of the terrorist attack in Boston, studied at the workshop held in conjunction with the Georgian special services Americans

At the disposal of "Izvestia" has documents Counterintelligence Department Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia, confirming that the Georgian organization "Fund of Caucasus", which cooperates with the U.S. non-profit organization "Jamestown" (the board of directors of NGOs previously entered one of the ideologists of U.S. foreign policy, Zbigniew Brzezinski), was engaged in recruiting residents North Caucasus to work in the interests of the United States and Georgia.

According to the reports of Colonel Chief Directorate Counterintelligence Department Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia Gregory Chanturia to the Minister of Internal Affairs Irakli Garibashvili, "Caucasian fund" in cooperation with the Foundation "Jamestown" in the summer of 2012 conducted workshops and seminars for young people of the Caucasus, including its Russian part. Some of them attended Tsarnaev Tamerlane, who was in Russia from January to July 2012.

"Caucasian fund" writes Tchanturia was established November 7, 2008, just after the Georgian-Ossetian conflict, "to control the processes taking place in the North Caucasus region." Accordingly, the Department of the Interior Ministry counterintelligence case was brought intelligence operations called "DTV". Main purpose is to recruit young people and intellectuals of the North Caucasus to enhance instability and extremism in the southern regions of Russia.

"In order to finance the organization was determined monthly amount of $ 33 million lari (660 thousand). Since the establishment of the organization before 1 January 2013 the amount allocated in the end amounted to 4.058 million GEL (81.1 million), "- wrote in a report Tchanturia.

The documents referred to, and the work of the "Caucasian fund" in the three border areas of Azerbaijan and Dagestan - Balacan, Zakatalsky and Kakh.

In addition, Colonel counterintelligence Tbilisi reports that security forces in Chechnya through Georgia "Caucasian fund" and fund "Jamestown" are sympathetic to the Georgian people, who are invited to various events in the republic under the innocent pretexts. In these seminars, the Russians are recruiting and preparing acts of terrorism.

Deputy head of the NGO "Agency of the socio-political initiatives" Tatiev Iles, who oversees the North Caucasus Federal District, said that the activities of the "Caucasian fund" raises too many questions.

- Where in Georgia, which exists on the loans, the extra money for some funds? - Ask the expert. - I do not exclude that this fund is affiliated with the Department of State in the North Caucasus.

The head of the New York office of the Institute for Democracy and Cooperation Andranik Migranyan, who learned about the "Caucasian fund" from the "News", believes that the activities of the organization, as it is depicted in the documents that fits into the policy of the Georgian authorities.

- Saakashvili administration is conducting an overt anti-Russian line - says the analyst.

Director General of the National Strategy Council Valery Hamsters argues that exaggerated the force of external enemy in Georgia may be beneficial to the management of the North Caucasian republics.

- I think the danger is exaggerated Georgian factor - the expert believes. - Personally, I have no doubt that Georgia only deals with the introduction of its spies and recruit Russian citizens.

A member of the security committee Anatoly Elected even promised according to their ability to connect to the investigation of the "Caucasian fund."

- Documents of which you speak, like the truth. Real friendly moves by Georgia and the U.S., we do not see, their goal is to make Russian state, which can be controlled, - the Elected.

Jamestown Foundation has repeatedly demonstrated its interest in Georgia and the state of affairs in Russia's North Caucasus. In 2007, the Foundation held a seminar "The Future of Ingushetia," which was attended by former fighters of Aslan Maskhadov.

In March 2010, the Jamestown Foundation asked the IOC to not hold the Olympic Games in Sochi, citing the tragic events of the Caucasian War of XIX century.

In 2011, political scientists Fund predicted that Georgia in the coming year will take a leading role in the Caucasus and Russia will be serious competition as a "regional leader".

The Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly responded to the ongoing policy of the fund, handing over a protest note to U.S. in Moscow.

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Was Tamerlan Tsarnayev a CIA mole who went rogue?

 

[asianobserve]

Or was Tamerlan the reincarnation of the Grand Father of Osama bin Laden....?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Hypothesis?

Call it conspiracy theory if you will, but please listen with an open mind.



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@W.G.Ewald, @average american, @Akim, @Tronic, @asianobserve, @IBSA, @Energon, @Known_Unknown

1. Life is too short for conspiracy theories.

2. Apply Occam's Razor.

3. Ok, maybe I'll watch it later. Going ro an open house at the Keyport, NJ Yacht Club in 1/2 hour.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Or was Tamerlan the reincarnation of the Grand Father of Osama bin Laden....?

Timur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Timur, Tarmashirin Khan, Emir Timur (Persian: تیمور"Ž TimÅ«r, Chagatai: Temür "iron"; 9 April 1336 – 18 February 1405), historically known as Tamerlane[1] (from Persian: تيمور لنگ"Ž, TimÅ«r-e Lang, Aksak Timur "Timur the Lame" in Turkish), was a Turkic ruler.[2][3][4] He conquered West, South and Central Asia and founded the Timurid dynasty. He was the grandfather of Ulugh Beg, who ruled Central Asia from 1411 to 1449,[5][6][7] and the great-great-great-grandfather of Babur Beg, founder of the Mughal Empire, which ruled parts of South Asia for around two centuries, from 1526 until 1707 (till their defeat in the 27 year war with the Marathas, after which it became a Maratha protectorate).[8][9][10][11][12]

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Re: pmaitra's vid: Sibel Edmonds "testified before Congress after 9/11 and then was gagged."

Really?

Sounds like bafflegab to me.

Sibel Edmonds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edmonds has continued to make various allegations and claims about operations within the FBI. Many of her allegations about the 9/11 attacks[28] and nuclear proliferation[29] have been reported in the media and published online, and she continues to publish open letters on her personal website, Just a Citizen. On August 8, 2009, Edmonds gave sworn testimony accusing current and former members of the government of treasonous activity. A video of her deposition and PDF transcript is available online[30] as well as an easy-to-read HTML transcript.[31]

In August, 2004, Edmonds founded the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC), which exists to assist national security whistleblowers through advocacy and reform.[32] Edmonds is also the founder and publisher of the Boiling Frogs Post, an online media site that aims to offer nonpartisan investigative journalism.[33]

In September 2006, a documentary about Edmonds case called Kill the Messenger (Une Femme à Abattre) premiered in France.[34] The film discusses the Edmonds case as well as offers interviews with various involved individuals. In the film Edmonds, former CIA agent Philip Giraldi, and others say that Israel was a significant actor in the illicit activities Edmonds discovered.

In 2012, she published an autobiography called Classified Woman – The Sibel Edmonds Story: A Memoir.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

InfoWars, producer of the video, has a dating site too. :-D

InfoWars Dating Site: 7 Most Dateable Dudes From "Dating Freedom Lovers"

 

[pmaitra]

1. Life is too short for conspiracy theories.

Life is truth, and timw spent pondering over the truth is time well spent - IMHO.

2. Apply Occam's Razor.

I apply that always, and you trumped me there. Full credit to you. I am a fence sitter, and am keeping my mind open, and listening to all.

3. Ok, maybe I'll watch it later. Going ro an open house at the Keyport, NJ Yacht Club in 1/2 hour.

Please do Sir. I am not asking you to believe any of it, but please do poke holes in their arguments. I will await your response.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Infowars: Boston bomber followed Alex Jones' work.

The AP keeps digging into the dead bombing suspect's past and finds him endorsing, at some point, not just a cocktail but a Long Island Iced Tea of conspiracy theories. His inspiration, the mysterious "Misha," reportedly turned him onto radical Islam that was disconnected from the larger, more strategic terror organizations that the U.S. considers itself at war with.

Boston bombers: FBI reveal that they've identified Misha the mysterious 'bald, red-bearded Armenian American man' | Mail Online

FBI has revealed that they now know the identity of the mystery man known as Misha
He is a recent Muslim convert who Tamerlan Tsarnaev was believed to have fallen under the influence of
He is accused of having steered the 26-year-old elder Boston bomber to a radical strain of Islam
'Somehow, he just took his brain,' said Tamerlan's uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, who recalled conversations with Tamerlan's worried father about Misha's influence
Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, mother of the bomber's said it was 'nonsense' that Misha converted her son to terrorism