France, Russia, and the Mistral Saga

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France unfazed by Russian tender, Mistral talks ongoing

Paris is continuing negotiations with Moscow on the purchase of a Mistral-class warship and is not concerned about Russia's decision to call a tender for the construction of two helicopter carriers, a spokeswoman for the French presidential administration said on Friday.

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Mistral deal seals Russia-France special relationship

Mistral deal seals Russia-France special relationship

The general purpose Mistral-class amphibious assault ship (LHA) has been officially declared the winner of a tender held by Russia's Defense Ministry, Chief of the General Staff Nikolai Makarov told reporters. No one expected any other result - the purchase of this Mistral-class LHA, licensed to be built in Russia, is more of a political move, part of the special Russia-France relationship, than it is a defense technology decision.

Long history

The issue of purchasing a Mistral-class LHA was first raised early in 2009. In fall 2010, the Defense Ministry opened a tender for just such a ship. Initially, the ministry planned to acquire one Mistral-class ship and then, with French assistance, to build three more at Russian yards under license. The final terms of this future contract are not being revealed as yet, but it is known that France put a different proposal on the table - two ships to be built at French yards and two in Russia.

The contract will be a definite landmark on the global arms market. First, because of its price - building four ships is set to cost over 1.5 billion euros, and, secondly, because Russia has, until now, been avoiding such large foreign military purchases, only sourcing components and technologies abroad.

One of the main reasons why the ministry turned to overseas suppliers is, many experts hold, the far from ideal condition of Russia's shipbuilding research, development and production sector, which, following the collapse seen in the 1990s and early 2000s, does not have the capacity to design and build ships in the required quantities on a fast turnaround. This situation can and must be remedied, but this remedy will take a long time, while time is the very thing that Russia's aging fleet lacks.

The overwhelming majority of ships in service are to be written off in the next 10 to 15 years, while the lead time for a new ship is no less than 10 years.

In some cases, Russia already has new projects for the construction of lead ships and is planning to launch series production. In this instance, however, Russia does not have a ready-made project for a ship of this class - Project 11780 was drawn up 25 years ago, has aged badly and is desperately in need of renovation. If this decision is made now, the earliest the navy will receive a lead ship will be 2020, while if the contract is concluded before yearend, a French ship could join the fleet as early as 2014. By 2020, one or two Russian-built ships would also be available.

Where will the Mistral serve?

It looks likely that the first ships of this class will be supplied to the Pacific fleet. The Defense Ministry also mentioned such plans, and reliable sources suggest that the basic infrastructure for these ships is under preparation in the Far East.

The deployment of this kind of vessel to the Pacific has every justification. The Asia-Pacific Region is increasingly becoming the focus of attention for the world's leading countries. It is the center of interests for such key players as Russia, the United States, China, Japan and India, because it concentrates the world's fastest developing economies and almost half the planet's population.

Clearly, naval theaters of operation, above all near Africa and South East Asia, will only gain in importance over the next few years as maritime trade, shelf development and fisheries all expand. The significance of oceans adjoining Russia is also set to increase - especially in the Far East, where the economic potential of local waters and shelf exists in close proximity with inter-governmental disputes - primarily over the Korean peninsula and regarding the Kuril Islands.

Stationed near the Kurils, a Mistral and similar ships could serve as a mobile base, providing effective support for troops stationed on remote islands. The equipment carried by a Mistral-class vessel can provide effective guidance to a disparate array of forces, even including ground units.

In addition, a Mistral-class ship can, like other ships in the same class, fulfill a wide range of other duties: from anti-piracy operations to search-and-rescue missions. A squadron of warships led by an LHA is capable of engaging in a low intensity localized conflict by landing troops and supporting them from the sea and air.

Not Mistral alone

The Mistral's value lies not so much in the ship itself as in the technology involved both in its construction and in upgrading Russia's shipbuilding by adopting new processes, equipment, etc. In this context, the clauses of the contract specifying the nature of French assistance take on particular weight. This assistance is described in some considerable detail, down to the precise number of workers and engineers to undergo training in France and the improvements to be made at shipyards selected to construct the Russian LHA.

According to the available information, St. Petersburg's Baltiisky Zavod (Baltic Shipyard) will build ships under French license. The Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk is overstretched as it is, and Russia has no other shipyards with the capacity to build ships of this size and displacement.

The purchase of a Mistral-class LHA seals the future of Baltiisky Zavod. It is clear that the construction of a series of LHAs rules out the relocation of the yard from Vasilyevsky Island to the other bank of the Neva River at least in the next ten years. In the long term, this issue is likely to be solved by upgrading.

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20101215/161790887.html
 

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Russia to pay over 700 million euros for first Mistral helicopter carrier -

Russia to pay over 700 million euros ( 1 billion USD ) for first Mistral helicopter carrier -

Russia will pay France approximately 720 million euros for its first Mistral-class helicopter carrier for its Navy, a source close to the negotiations process told RIA Novosti on Thursday.

At the initial stage, two Mistral-class helicopter carriers will be built jointly by France and Russia at the STX shipyard in Saint-Nazaire, France. Another two will be constructed later at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg.

"The cost of the first ship will be 720 million euros, the second will cost 650 million euros," the source said.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev told his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy last week over the phone that France had won the tender to build amphibious assault ships for Russia. The winner is a consortium comprised of French DCNS and Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), the Kremlin press service said.

The first Mistral-class ship is expected to be built within 36 months after Russia makes an advance payment scheduled for January 2011.

Russia had previously held talks with France on the purchase of Mistral-class warships on a 2+2 scheme whereby Russia would buy one or two French-built Mistrals and build another two under license at home.

A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing vessels, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.

MOSCOW, December 30 (RIA Novosti)
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20101230/161991515.html




India better make his own Mistral..
 

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What is preventing Russia from building something similar on its own? What are the fundamental differences between this one and the Moskow class helicopter carriers they built themselves decades ago?
 

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What is preventing Russia from building something similar on its own? What are the fundamental differences between this one and the Moskow class helicopter carriers they built themselves decades ago?
Technology..
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Russia, France to sign Mistral warship deal in June

May 27, 2011

DEAUVILLE (BNS): Russia is likely to sign its first amphibious assault ships Mistral contract with France in June, a media report said Thursday.

The contract will be signed during the Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visit to Paris in June.

"The final contract with Russia on amphibious assault ships Mistral will be signed on June 21," Itar-Tass quoted French President Nicolas Sarkozy as saying.

On January 25, France and Russia had signed a contract to jointly build the four Mistral class carriers. French shipyard companies DCNS and STX would build the two Mistral-class warships along with Russia's state-run United Shipbuilding Corporation.

Mistral class ships can carry and deploy up to 16 helicopters, including attack helicopters like France's Tiger or Russia's Ka-50/52. It has 4 landing barges or 2 medium hovercrafts, which deliver armored vehicles, tanks, and soldiers to shore.

Russia, France to sign Mistral warship deal in June - Brahmand.com
 

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Exclusive: France signed the sale of four helicopter carriers to Russia

11/06/2011

Paris and Moscow on Friday signed the agreement sealing the sale of four buildings Projection and Command (BPC) Mistral type in the Russian Navy.

Finally, good news for the French arms industry downing a major milestone contract for several months. While several issues remain mired in the intricacies of the negotiations (modernization of Indian Mirage 2000, Rafale sale to the UAE and Brazil, frigates in Greece and Brazil), France on Friday signed with Russia, according to our information, the contract sale of four buildings Projection and Command (BPC) Mistral type. Success to make the asset teams DCNS, which won the contract after the submarine in Brazil, makes a pretty new boom to exports.

These buildings will be equipped (without transfer of technology, according to our information) Operating System Naval Tactical Information (SENIT 9), on which Paris and Moscow have been protracted negotiations. The first two examples are built for 1.2 billion euros by the shipyard in Saint-Nazaire (STX), while the other two PCBs will be built by OSK, the Unified Group of Russian shipbuilding associated with French subcontractors.

As revealed in mid-May, "La Tribune", the Russian prime minister will come June 21 in Paris, specifically at the Paris Air Show, to formalize the agreement between France and Russia. In early May, sources close of negotiated revealed in "The Tribune" that Russia and France were close to a settlement. While noting that "the environment in Russia remains difficult. The struggle for influence in Moscow around the deal were not helped negotiate. The dismissal by the president of a leading Russian negotiators of the contract, Vice-Admiral Nikolai Borisov, who had approached the French positions, and had somewhat slowed the talks.

But beyond these setbacks, the trend remains to the contract, which was announced by President Nicolas Sarkozy in December 2010. "Everything will depend on the attitude of the Russians at the G8 summit in late May in Deauville, we then explained to" La Tribune ". But come late May at the G8 summit of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Deauville actually allowed Nicolas Sarkozy to give a boost to negotiations on the sidelines of the summit. And announced May 26 that France and Russia had reached a final agreement on the supply of four Russian navy helicopter carrier Mistral type, or PCBs.

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La France vend le Mistral à la Russie

Finally a done deal, hopefully the floodgates will keep on coming.
 

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Good, France and Russia in bed together. Maybe now Russia can help the French (with French weapons) defeat the featherweight Mr. Gaddafi?
 

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I wish we also buy at least two Mistral class LHDs for the IN, and later on add two more to both the Eastern and Western fleets. These vessels are versatile and pack a lot of punch.
 

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DCNS today signed a contract with Russian defence export agency Rosoboronexport under the Franco-Russian intergovernmental agreement of 25 January for the supply of four Mistral/BPC-type force projection & command vessels.

The contract signed today calls for two Mistral/BPC ships and associated services including initial logistics, training, and the transfer of technologies. It was signed at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum at a ceremony attended by Dmitry Medvedev, the President of the Russian Federation.

For this contract, DCNS will act as prime contractor and will also integrate the operations direction and communication systems. The shipbuilding of platforms will be subcontracted to the STX shipyard at Saint-Nazaire in western France assisted by Russian shipbuilder OSK. A subcontract has been signed by STX and OSK.

The sale of these two vessels to Russia represents more than 1,000 full-time jobs in France over a period of four years.

The first ship will be delivered to Russia in 2014, three years after the contract's coming into force. The second BPC will be delivered in 2015.

This is the first international success for the Mistral/BPC design in service with the French Navy. On the international market, this ship is known as a landing helicopter dock or LHD.

DCNS-designed BPCs are inherently multirole vessels meeting the needs of many navies. They are ideal for a wide range of civilian and military missions.

With a length of 199 metres, a displacement of 22,000 tonnes and a speed in excess of 18 knots, BPCs offer a global projection capability for troops and materiel, including heavy helicopters and landing craft, as well as ample capacity as a hospital ship or for large-scale humanitarian missions. The design features electric propulsion using azimuth pods and high-level automation compatible with a complement of just 170 while a high-performance communications suite makes the vessel ideal as naval force command vessel.

Mistral and Tonnerre, the first two BPCs, were built by DCNS and then-Chantiers de l'Atlantique and delivered to the French Navy in 2006 and 2007 respectively. The third-of-type Dixmude, also on order for the French Minister, is being built by DCNS and STX France and is scheduled for delivery to the French Navy in 2012.



Read more: Russia Signs Contract for Two Mistral-Class Amphibious Ships | Navy News at DefenseTalk
 

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^^ I wish the cost gets escalated for this two Mistral ship and delivery gets delayed at least by 4 years.. Then the Russians would feel how it affects their strategy plan...
 

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Re: Mistral deal seals Russia-France special relationship

Don't you think other NATO nations & US in particular get pissed of with France for selling state of the Art Ambitious assualt ship to Russia . Which NATO thinks biggest obstacle in world domination?
 

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Re: Mistral deal seals Russia-France special relationship

Last I heard this deal was on the rocks.
The two sides weren't able to converge on configuration of the Ship, specially the landing craft and its dock. Check this post - http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...fail-amphibious-assault-ships.html#post573993

A month back the Russians decided to go through with the order and apparently accepted the L-CAT catamarans that the French offered.
Russia Orders French Mistral Amphibious Assault Ships
...Russian General Staff, Gen. Nikolai Makarov, who said that: "We are negotiating the purchase of one ship at present, and later planning to acquire 3-4 ships [of the same class] to be jointly built in Russia"
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"We signed a contract on the purchase of two Mistral class ships. The first is already under construction in Saint-Nazaire, the second will follow. We also discussed the construction of two Mistral LHDs in Saint-Petersburg, Russia. Everything is on schedule. There are also additional contracts. We will buy small french boats that will be aboard the Mistral LHDs (T90 won't fit :dude: ), they are landing catamarans"¦"

And now three days back they have postponed the entire project to 2016.
Russia Postpones Mistral Warship Project to 2016 – Source | Business | RIA Novosti
..."The Russian Defense Ministry is not abandoning plans to build two Mistral-class ships in Russia but is postponing the start of the construction work from 2013 to 2016," the source said.

The reason for that is the need to assess the ships' performance, role and status as part of the Russian Navy, he said.
"It is essential, first, to understand what is required to ensure their effective operation and technical servicing."
It may also be necessary to modify the ship's design, introduce new elements and mechanisms taking into account Russian specifics and basing conditions, the source said....
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Russians ... :facepalm: they seriously play rough with their deals.

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Re: Mistral deal seals Russia-France special relationship

Don't you think other NATO nations & US in particular get pissed of with France for selling state of the Art Ambitious assualt ship to Russia . Which NATO thinks biggest obstacle in world domination?
Economics, buddy, economics. Europe is in the middle of a Euro-slide and France is struggling with its own domestic industrial problems. France needs money, and resource rich Russia has that. On top of that, Russia is collaborating with many other EU nations on military and non-military projects.
 

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Russians ... :facepalm: they seriously play rough with their deals.

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Speculation: Perhaps France's backing of the Syrian rebels has something to do with this?
 

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Re: Mistral deal seals Russia-France special relationship

Economics, buddy, economics. Europe is in the middle of a Euro-slide and France is struggling with its own domestic industrial problems. France needs money, and resource rich Russia has that. On top of that, Russia is collaborating with many other EU nations on military and non-military projects.
Good then unipolar super power days are coming to end soon if the crisis prolongs , Good US has been on top for long time let others also challenge the position

Go Russia go , India should also buy 2 of mistrel class assualt ship & build few more with JV with Pipanav or L&T or any other private shipyard :namaste:
 

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Re: Mistral deal seals Russia-France special relationship

Speculation: Perhaps France's backing of the Syrian rebels has something to do with this?
:hmm: I'm not sure how much interference of international politics do the Russian Generals allow in Defense deals.
Policy matter on a third country is one thing and their own defense needs are another. But who knows eh? :rolleyes:

Go Russia go , India should also buy 2 of mistrel class assualt ship & build few more with JV with Pipanav or L&T or any other private shipyard :namaste:
Interesting point. Does Indian Navy have need or potential role for Mistrals?
 

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Re: Mistral deal seals Russia-France special relationship

:hmm: I'm not sure how much interference of international politics do the Russian Generals allow in Defense deals.
Policy matter on a third country is one thing and their own defense needs are another. But who knows eh? :rolleyes:


Interesting point. Does Indian Navy have need or potential role for Mistrals?
INS Jalaswa why Navy is using then? Ex US Navy USS Trenton , the need for amphibious arised during 2004 Indian ocean Tsunami rescue operation with other ships is very difficult . INS Jalaswa was used to evacuate Indian citizen from Libya

More over Blue water aspiration of indian navy also emphasises on having amphibious assualt & transport ship:sad:
 

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SAINT-NAZAIRE (France), October 15 (RIA Novosti) – A French shipyard floated out Tuesday the first of two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships being built for the Russian Navy.

The ship, named Vladivostok, being built at the DCNS shipyard in Saint-Nazaire, is expected to start sea trials in March next year.

"The ship will be handed over unarmed, but equipped with French-made landing equipment," DCNS program manager Yves Destefanis said at the launch ceremony. It will be fitted with Russian-made weapons systems later, he added.

The vessel will receive its additional Russian systems at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg, and then be handed over to Russia's Pacific Fleet in November 2014.

Russia and France signed the 1.2 billion euro ($1.6 billion) contract for two French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers in June 2011.

A second Mistral-class warship, the Sevastopol, is due to be floated out in October 2014.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, both warships will be based in the Far East ports of Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky when they enter service.

A decision on whether to acquire a build a third and fourth Mistral for the Russian Navy will be taken based on the experience of testing the first one, a Russian defense procurement official said Tuesday.

"The final decision on construction of the third and fourth [Mistrals] has not been taken," said Andrei Vernigora, director of the defense ministry's procurement department. 'We must see how all the systems have adapted. It's possible the project might require further revision."

The decision to buy a major foreign-made warship – an unprecedented move for Russia since World War II - was a controversial one. Earlier this year, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees defense procurement, criticized the Mistral purchase, made under the auspices of his predecessor Anatoly Serdyukov, for requiring special lubricants and other liquids not produced in Russia in order to work properly in cold weather.

The Pacific Fleet is currently forming crews for the two helicopter carriers, a Pacific Fleet spokesman told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.

Mistral-class vessels are capable of carrying 16 helicopters, four landing craft, 70 armored vehicles, and 450 soldiers.

The Russian Mistral air wings are expected to comprise eight Kamov Ka-52K attack helicopters and eight Ka-29/31 Helix assault transport helicopters

France Floats Out First Russian Mistral Warship | Defense | RIA Novosti
 

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