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Rafale Air-to-ground:
MBDA Apache ( Range : 140km, Speed : mach .80 )
Storm Shadow-SCALP EG ( ALCM, Range : 250km, Speed : mach .80 )
AASM (PGM)

F-15SE :

Missiles :
AGM-65 Maverick ( tactical missile, Range : 22Km)
AGM-130 ( Range : 60Km, Warhead : 240Kg )
AGM-84 Harpoon ( Anti Ship, Range : 315Km, Speed : mach .70 )
AGM-84K SLAM-ER ( Standoff Missile, Range : 250Km )
AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon ( Low altitude launch - 22Km , High altitude launch - 130Km )
AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile ( Range : > 950Km .... :borat: )

Bombs :
GBU-27 Paveway III
JDAM (PGM, Range : 28Km, available with Laser Seeker )
what crap man!!!
u missed many air to ground weapons of rafale
1) EXOCET:Anti ship missile (50 -70 km)
2) ASMPA: supersonic stand off nuclear strike missile It can be fired at various altitudes and flies at supersonic speeds along a trajectory that allow it to evade enemy defenses.MACH 3 & 500KM RANGE
3)BRIMSTONE: AIR TO SURFACE ANTI ARMOUR MISSILE


BOMBS
1) GBU LASER GUIDED BOMBS

the greatness of Rafale lies in it's abilty to target 6 ground targets at single time which F 15 SE cant do that


Dude basically F15 SE is the same old F15 E but just having some stealth features like enclosed weapon pods & some advanced RAM coating on it's plane,But the americans markets it as having same frontal RCS as F35 that is absolute B.S .it cant have that no way.

but if u know the future capabilty of RAFALE it would blow ur brain:lol:
check this
1) capabilty to have laser based DIRCM
2) capabilty to operate UCAVS from rafale
3)conformal radar antenna arrays all around the airframe
4) Enclosed weapons pods like F 15 SE
5) enhanced AVIONICS suite FSO NG,Specrtra NG
4)RAFALE'S FUTURE UPGRADES

http://www.vectorsite.net/avrafa.html
5)AVIONICS SUITE UPDATE DIRCM TO BE INCLUDED:

Rafale Upgrade Ready in 2012







1. much more than it would have been French or Indian
2. not worth a Reply
listen u DK the dog oh sorry God:lol:
if ur dying for attention then rather join Disney forum :D
Becoz ur B.S about F 15SE makes a jack sense that Rafale is inferior to F 15 SE
Only F35 & f22 are 2 planes right now which are technologically superior to rafale & nothing else Got it now beat it
 

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F-15SE = STRIKE EAGLE

Dude posting same and same thimgs all over Internet doesn't make you a EXPERT.

1. I am talking about Air to Ground/Surface Strikes not about Air to Air or CAS ( F-15SE = Strike Eagle and debate started with air to ground strikes ) and current capability not future capability of these systems

You instead about talking A-to-G strike capabilities started posting about how good is Rafale

How does RBE2 AESA's SAR capability exceeds AN/APG-63v3 ..??
Are AtG weapons of Rafale superior to that on F-15 ..??



OH BOY!!
those T/R modules drama i have seen much in EF vs rafale thread.i would to like to enlighten u that Rafale thanks to it's 5th GEN spectra EW suite has unique ability of passive detection(electro magnetic EM) of all aerial targets when they are in active mode (radar turn on) from more than 100 miles away & not only that it can also cue it's air to air missiles without turning on it's own aesa radar for stealth reason .this capabilty other than rafale only F22 raptor ALR 94 system has. ALso f35 may have it no confirmation yet.

So even if a plane has 2000 T/R modules on it's AESA radar it doesnt going to have any edge on rafale as if u turn on the radar ,Rafale's spectra would be able to detect it & cue it's meteor BVRAAM towards it. without turning on it's own aesa radar for stealth reason.That LPI word associated with AESA radar is sort of MYTH as usually in battle between LPI Vs ESM usually ESM wins.
Nowadays pilots use AESA radar for jamming purpose only & rely on AWACS for target location through link 16 capabilty.

2.F-22 vs Rafale was a Dogfight with NO AMRAAM-120D vs MICA-IR/EM and in that picture show's F-22 to be detected by FSO but doesn't show up on FLIR although it was a Dog-Fight (if this would have been the case, the news would have been all over the web ),
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Consider it to be a actual Head-On engagement without any restrictions, F-22 is has turned ON AN/APG-77 (not taking in account AN/ALR-94 at this stage) while Rafale has turned OFF it's Radar and turned ON SPECTRA for passive detection.
F-22 can detect a 1sqm target at 220km and let it be, so assuming it can detect Rafale at 220km and Rafale can detect it using SPECTRA at around 100 miles or 160km although :

The AN/APG-77 changes frequencies more than 1,000 times per second to lower interception probability. Additionally, radar emissions can be focused in an electronic-attack capability to overload enemy sensors.
So F-22 detects Rafale at 220 km (although lot more as Rafale would be carrying AAM on its bays and RCS would be more than 1sqm)
and Rafale would detect F-22 at 150km ( although it would not be easy as AN/APG-77 is the most advanced AESA in operational service along with AN/APG-63v3 of F-15SG/SE/K and the detection range will be less )

Meteor Range : 100km,
MICA-IR Range : (it will be dud as it will not be able to achieve a lock-on F-22 IR signature)
AMRAAM 120D : 180km (Dual-Pulse motor)

AAM missiles fired at around 50-60% of their max range, although lets assume Meteor and 120D has same range of 100km with 120D having slight advantage of 10%.

F-22 supercruise at Mach 1.7 and Rafale at Mach 1.4
F-22's max flight ceiling is more than Rafale
F-22 had 2D TVC and is Supermaneuverable


SO F-22 is STILL AT ADVANTAGE EVEN WHEN WE DONT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AN/ALR-94


But when AN/ALR-94 is taken into account (has a range of > 450km ... :borat:) :

F-22 detects Rafale at 250km (although more)
F-22 to limit its own radar emissions to maximise stealth
Then AN/ALR-94 receiver cue the AN/APG-77 radar to track the target with a narrow beam, which can be as focused down to 2° by 2° in azimuth and elevation.

So SPECTRA will not able to detect F-22 at it's Max Range and will fell well short of 120D max range.






what crap man!!!
u missed many air to ground weapons of rafale

1) EXOCET:Anti ship missile (50 -70 km)

:rotfl: :rotflmao:

2) ASMPA: supersonic stand off nuclear strike missile It can be fired at various altitudes and flies at supersonic speeds along a trajectory that allow it to evade enemy defenses.MACH 3 & 500KM RANGE

it for delivery of Nuclear Weapons not to attack ground targets for this there's Storm Shadow... :facepalm:

3)BRIMSTONE: AIR TO SURFACE ANTI ARMOUR MISSILE

not yet ... :ranger:
and please dont insult F-22 and F-35 by comparing them to Rafale ... :rolleyes:
:cool2:
 
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if its not china then france has a chance but we are talking about SCS, and a major power like china. only US has the capabilities to out match china in SCS. all these talk from french, just talk nothing more. they are not gonna send in CVBG/establish large military presence in SCS, even if they did, french military can't dominate seas in china backyard.
 

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French military Strategy

Strategically, the changes echo moves that have been recommended (if not wholly undertaken) by U.S. and British defense policymakers since the end of the Cold War. Mobility--and in France's case, the ability to deploy and sustain up to thirty thousand troops in a far-off land--is a key goal.

"France's own strategic approach stresses that its forces must adapt further to the new dimensions of military operations overseas and to asymmetric warfare," writes France's former NATO Ambassador Benoît d'Aboville in the Guardian. "French forces will maintain a robust capacity for overseas military operations within the framework of Nato-led operations, but not exclusively so," he adds.

To achieve this, resources are shifting away from French formations and weapons systems designed for the Cold War environment of state-to-state warfare. This means slimming down armored units, artillery, and infantry divisions, along with some elements of the French navy and air force designed primarily for defense against conventional attack. The decision on whether to construct a second nuclear aircraft carrier, for instance, has been put off for five years, while the construction of more nuclear submarines continues.

The size of the uniformed component of the French army, now the largest in the European Union, is in line to drop by 24 percent over the next several years, a continuation of a trend which began at the end of the Cold War and picked up pace when France ended its national draft in 2001.

Since 1989, according to Defense Ministry figures, the army has decreased from nearly 500,000 to just about 250,000 today (including reserves), and will fall to 225,000 under the new plan. The combat-ready force will shrink to 88,000. This force will be organized into smaller, more rapidly deployable ground units--again, a reform the U.S. and British militaries already have made. New investments are planned in human espionage efforts, spy satellites, and homeland security efforts. The "slimming" of the current force will also alleviate readiness and reliability problems, which have become serious. An internal defense document described appalling maintenance problems across all services in 2008.

Foreign Policy Implications
The new French military posture, as outlined in the 2008 white paper, reinforces previous hints that France intends to reorient its geopolitical thinking to put Asia, rather than North Africa and the Levant, more squarely on its security agenda (World Politics Review). In line with public statements by Sarkozy and senior foreign policy officials, the doctrine puts greater emphasis on cooperation with the United States in countering Iran's growing influence, tracking nuclear proliferation, and expanding NATO's ability to act outside Europe, even as a separate EU defense capability matures. For instance, France announced in early 2008 its decision to add troops to NATO's Afghanistan mission. By early 2009, about three thousand French troops were deployed in and around Afghanistan. The new strategy also reflects the tempering of France's traditionally Arabist approach to the Middle East. Indeed, the same week the white paper was published, the European Union announced it had agreed to upgrade ties with Israel, a move long resisted by previous French governments.

Abroad, the French president has pledged to renegotiate colonial-era mutual defense agreements with many African states. As this Backgrounder discusses, some nine thousand French troops are deployed in Senegal, the Ivory Coast, Gabon, Djibouti, and the Central African Republic.

Yet Sarkozy has insisted the new doctrine represents a reorientation rather than a curbing of French ambition. The doctrine makes clear France's nuclear arsenal will be maintained and kept solely under French command. Sarkozy has shown no signs of abandoning France's African patch, either. When Sudanese rebels threatened to overthrow Chad's pro-Paris leader in 2008, France made it clear it was willing to intervene (Spiegel). Nor has Paris signaled an intention to give up on power projection. France operates Europe's only real fixed-wing aircraft carrier, the Charles De Gaulle, and even though a decision on a second has been postponed, talks with Britain continue on a proposed jointly built class of super carriers (PDF). Sarkozy in June 2008 told German officials he foresees eventual formation of a European naval strike force (Spiegel) with British and French carriers at its core, and Germany, Italy, Spain, and a host of other nations contributing frigates, submarines, and support vessels. Perhaps with Iran in mind, Sarkozy announced that France would build a new navy base in the United Arab Emirates, and it has also ratcheted up efforts to sell its weapons (NPR) in the region.

Francois Heisbourg, a member of the presidential commission that wrote the white paper and a former head of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, said "we're planning for one war and a half." In Heisbourg's view, that means the ability to project up to sixty thousand troops, seventy combat aircraft, and a full naval group, as part of a multinational deployment anywhere in "the arc of crisis." The white paper defines that arc as ranging from the North Atlantic to the Indian Ocean. Heisbourg notes that the Indian Ocean has taken on new significance for France, and that the new base in Abu Dhabi, combined with existing facilities in Djibouti and Reunion, gives the French military a "string of pearls" with which to influence events in the region.

Opposition Gathers
The breadth of these changes, not to mention Sarkozy's personal style, has kicked up significant domestic opposition (he announced the reintegration with NATO in June 2008 alongside U.S. President George W. Bush, who was deeply unpopular in France). Senior French military commanders reacted with a scathing open letter bemoaning the force level cuts and the NATO decision. "France will from now on be playing in the same division as Italy," they wrote in the June 18 edition of the conservative daily Le Figaro. "There is no point in denying it."

France regards its status as a major military power with great pride, and suggestions that the new doctrine will relegate the country to second-tier status rankle well beyond military circles. Sarkozy's Socialist Party opponents kicked up a storm of protest, and across France, towns adjacent to the fifty military bases slated for closure expressed strong concern (BBC). For the French security establishment, the debate over closer ties to NATO, often seen as a proxy for an Anglo-American agenda, runs right up against decades of exceptionalist policies instituted by de Gaulle with the express purpose of preventing such intimacy. In common with other European countries diminished by the rise of the Cold War superpowers in the 1950s, France struggled to adjust to the realities of its new position, fighting bloody and unsuccessful rearguard actions to retain colonies in Southeast Asia and Algeria.

Still, Paris insisted on maintaining its place as one of three European military forces (the other two are Britain and Russia) that can operate independently on far-flung missions. Similarly, France resisted the post-Cold War trend toward downsizing and reorienting its forces, in part due to its insistence on "independence" from the United States. France continued to conscript soldiers, for instance, right through the 1990s, long after most major militaries went to an "all volunteer" system. The white paper concluded that the size and capabilities of the French military no longer reflected the likely missions it would undertake in the future. "There is no risk of an invasion today ... but on the other hand we need to be able deploy forces to participate in the stabilization of regions or zones in crisis," Sarkozy said.

Sarkozy has consistently disarmed his opponents by inviting some into his government and ignoring others. Most recently, he appointed former Socialist foreign minister Hubert Vedrine, who coined the term "hyperpower" to describe the United States in the late 1990s, to lead a commission on the proper role of France in a globalized world.
French Military Strategy and NATO Reintegration - Council on Foreign Relations
The important issue that the French are aware that they cannot go it alone, and [Sarkozy] is putting the French military back in the business of dealing with threats that really matter.
 

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10 largest world militaries.


It will indicate the issue of global reach.
 
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Global Reach and Mobility

 
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SE = Strike Eagle ... :cool2:

JASSM and JASSM-ER ... :bplease:
You said F15 SE, which is actually F15 Silent Eagle.

Thats what I pointed out

F 15 Strike Eagle is given as F15-E and it is a very old aircraft wrt Rafale. I dont think both can even be compared:nono:
 
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F-15SE = STRIKE EAGLE

Dude posting same and same thimgs all over Internet doesn't make you a EXPERT.

1. I am talking about Air to Ground/Surface Strikes not about Air to Air or CAS ( F-15SE = Strike Eagle and debate started with air to ground strikes ) and current capability not future capability of these systems

You instead about talking A-to-G strike capabilities started posting about how good is Rafale

How does RBE2 AESA's SAR capability exceeds AN/APG-63v3 ..??
Are AtG weapons of Rafale superior to that on F-15 ..??
Where have you made a point to show that AtG capabilities of F-15E is greater than that of Rafale?

2.F-22 vs Rafale was a Dogfight with NO AMRAAM-120D vs MICA-IR/EM and in that picture show's F-22 to be detected by FSO but doesn't show up on FLIR although it was a Dog-Fight (if this would have been the case, the news would have been all over the web ),
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Consider it to be a actual Head-On engagement without any restrictions, F-22 is has turned ON AN/APG-77 (not taking in account AN/ALR-94 at this stage) while Rafale has turned OFF it's Radar and turned ON SPECTRA for passive detection.
F-22 can detect a 1sqm target at 220km and let it be, so assuming it can detect Rafale at 220km and Rafale can detect it using SPECTRA at around 100 miles or 160km although :

So F-22 detects Rafale at 220 km (although lot more as Rafale would be carrying AAM on its bays and RCS would be more than 1sqm)
and Rafale would detect F-22 at 150km ( although it would not be easy as AN/APG-77 is the most advanced AESA in operational service along with AN/APG-63v3 of F-15SG/SE/K and the detection range will be less )
Meteor Range : 100km,
MICA-IR Range : (it will be dud as it will not be able to achieve a lock-on F-22 IR signature)
AMRAAM 120D : 180km (Dual-Pulse motor)
AAM missiles fired at around 50-60% of their max range, although lets assume Meteor and 120D has same range of 100km with 120D having slight advantage of 10%.
F-22 supercruise at Mach 1.7 and Rafale at Mach 1.4
F-22's max flight ceiling is more than Rafale
F-22 had 2D TVC and is Supermaneuverable


SO F-22 is STILL AT ADVANTAGE EVEN WHEN WE DONT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AN/ALR-94


But when AN/ALR-94 is taken into account (has a range of > 450km ... :borat:) :

F-22 detects Rafale at 250km (although more)
F-22 to limit its own radar emissions to maximise stealth
Then AN/ALR-94 receiver cue the AN/APG-77 radar to track the target with a narrow beam, which can be as focused down to 2° by 2° in azimuth and elevation.

So SPECTRA will not able to detect F-22 at it's Max Range and will fell well short of 120D max range.

and please dont insult F-22 and F-35 by comparing them to Rafale ... :rolleyes:
:cool2:
He never said Rafale is better than F-22 or F35. Learn to read. He said technology wise, the only aircrafts as of now which are ahead of Rafale are those two. If you want, disprove that with points.
 

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F-15SE = STRIKE EAGLE
OMG !!
u were telling about about F15 Strike Eagle :laugh:I thought u were comparing F 15 SILENT EAGLE Hey man u r comparing upgraded 70's -80's technology fighter with Rafale LOLLZZ .hey man it was offered to INDIA intially for INDIAN MMRCA which was rejected on the ground as our vintage MIG 21 hammered it in aerial exercise .:rofl:
F15 Strike eagle is a stealth disaster it wont survive todays high tech SAMS.


Dude posting same and same thimgs all over Internet doesn't make you a EXPERT.
oh boy
just spying my posts on every forum starting from Def PUK to other forums doent make u smarter.:D.Atleast those posts has facts

1. I am talking about Air to Ground/Surface Strikes not about Air to Air or CAS ( F-15SE = Strike Eagle and debate started with air to ground strikes ) and current capability not future capability of these systems

You instead about talking A-to-G strike capabilities started posting about how good is Rafale

How does RBE2 AESA's SAR capability exceeds AN/APG-63v3 ..??
Are AtG weapons of Rafale superior to that on F-15 ..??
WTF great A-G capabilty would an unstealthy ,vintage 70's era fighter would have .???LOLLLZ hey man it would be shot down in air like mango's in the
tree it wont survive todays cutting edge SAM .even F 15 crashed so hopelessly in libya that americans have to destroy that plane deliberately to prevent it from getting into wrong hand,
Meanwhile rafale carried out perfectly SEAD mission in libya perfectly & carried out it's precision bombing perfectly without getting detected .

6)JAMMING THE ENEMY:

http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fileadmin/user_upload/redacteur/Defence/Rafale/FoxThree_Fox15.pdf

regarding RBE 2 AESA radar SAR capability read this
2) RBE 2 functions:

7)FROM THALES WEBSITE:


http://www.thalesgroup.com/Portfolio/Documents/Brochure_AESA_RBE2_radar_avril_2009/?LangType=2057

A-G weapons of f15 has same weapons u see it in f16 ,f18 now what is the credit of F15 then ??? But F16 & f18 are far stealhier than F 18 & can survive
better than F15 in facing today's SAM.


2.F-22 vs Rafale was a Dogfight with NO AMRAAM-120D vs MICA-IR/EM and in that picture show's F-22 to be detected by FSO but doesn't show up on FLIR although it was a Dog-Fight (if this would have been the case, the news would have been all over the web ),
hey man do u want to say that this incident is fake & then u better live in ur dreamland i cant help u .out of 6 engagement F22 raptor won only once & rest 5 were draw.
It was published in the net but as usual like typhoon pilots we beat rafale in corsica the US pilots never agree that 5 engagements were draw.Now how u take it thats upto u , i cant force u to admit this thing
Rafale News: Rafale vs Raptor : What really happened during ATLC 2009 ?
In this link see the comments section there is a guy whose name is dare he is my FB friend & i learnt a lot from him,For me he is the real expert of Rafale not me for sure


and please dont insult F-22 and F-35 by comparing them to Rafale
the problem with u is ur a dumba$$ idiot with a pathetic comprehension skill that cant read what i said clearly in my earliear post

Only F35 & f22 are 2 planes right now which are technologically superior to rafale & nothing else Got it now beat it
& Insulting is you fool !!,as u are comparing an upgraded vintage fighter with a generation ahead Rafale

Stop making a fooll of yourself
 
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Where have you made a point to show that AtG capabilities of F-15E is greater than that of Rafale?
He is a clueless poster which thinks having greater variety of A-G weapons would make it superior A-G capabilties meanwhile he is forgetting F15 SE is
primarily designed as an air superiority fighter & it's stealth is a disaster it cant survive the latest SAMS but Silent eagle had some chance to penetrate
latest GEN sams

Those A-G weapons he mentioned is also carried by F16 & F18 so it's B.S to say F 15 SE is superior to A-G capabilities .


He never said Rafale is better than F-22 or F35. Learn to read. He said technology wise, the only aircrafts as of now which are ahead of Rafale are those two. If you want, disprove that with points.
LOOLLLZ
exactly he has pathetic comprehension skills

Meanwhile EA_18 growler has known to defeat F22 in BVR warfare & i am sure if i post him that he wont beleive as he is allergic to facts & reality:lol:
 

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Then you haven't seen the specification of F-15SG or SA, and all these specification have gone into Strike Eagles of USAF
There have been certain structural modifications in F-15E Strike Eagle when compared to F-15E and it debut 12 years after.

hey man it was offered to INDIA intially for INDIAN MMRCA which was rejected on the ground as our vintage MIG 21 hammered it in aerial exercise .
F15 Strike eagle is a stealth disaster it wont survive todays high tech SAMS
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Ohh, Really ... please care to explain as i am a novice .. :)
:facepalm:

WTF great A-G capabilty would an unstealthy ,vintage 70's era fighter would have .???LOLLLZ hey man it would be shot down in air like mango's in the
tree it wont survive todays cutting edge SAM .even F 15 crashed so hopelessly in libya that americans have to destroy that plane deliberately to prevent it from getting into wrong hand,
Meanwhile rafale carried out perfectly SEAD mission in libya perfectly & carried out it's precision bombing perfectly without getting detected .
Dude Americans are not known to exaggerate their capability, they wont even disclose how many fighters took part in Libyan Campaign or how many sorties were carried out. If i recall correctly there was no official acknowledgement of Tamahawk's been fired on Libyan pre-acquired target a night before Air Raids started.

The new AN/APG-63v3 is about as capable as AN/APG-77 which can easily detect a loaded Rafale at >250km and i am sure AN/ALQ-188 will be able to hold itself against Rafale

It's like Sukhoi-27/30 ... I am here, get me if you can ..!!
also Su-30MKI also carry similar Jamming/ECM Pod, EL/L-8222

and abusing others wont make you superior and your words true .... :cool2:
 

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Then you haven't seen the specification of F-15SG or SA, and all these specification have gone into Strike Eagles of USAF
There have been certain structural modifications in F-15E Strike Eagle when compared to F-15E and it debut 12 years after.
I think You are confusing F-15 eagle with F-15 strike eagle here. The F-15 eagle is a pure air superiority aircraft, which has been modified for AtG roles as F15 strike eagle or F-15E. This aircraft can never match an aircraft designed for multirole/omnirole as they call it on AtG capabilities at any time. Thats just makes no sense from a logical point of view.

And I think to think America has the best equipments in the world is a very wrong notion. Just because of big bucks, they dont become tech masters. For instance, Su27s/30s beat their american counterpart F-15 any day in A-A combat with same level of pilot training. And Su 30s are much cheaper than F-15s!!!
 

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Wow, alot of wishing thoughts from wankers of france or india since I left, but too bad, no matter how hard you try to act like as if you were something, in the end, we all know you are nothing, I think france should save their sorry ass to annoy someone else, you are just in the same league of India etc, nothing more, just like a frog, the bigger you try to make yourself look like you are, the more holes and weakiness you actually expose to an observers, so save your effects and our time OK? since nobody in China cares france involvement in anything. ROFL
 

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Wow, alot of wishful thinking from chicoms who think they actually have an expeditionary capability. You don't deploy 10% of what France does. It is about time to realise Chini soldiers are good for parades, putting out fires, killing mosquitoes and digging wells... they don't do much else except abue their power against their own people. We already heard from PLA officers saying how corrupt and incompetent they are. Hate to hurt your vagina but you really don't have much to brag about. It is really sorry when you are broker than Greece. :rofl:
 

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Wow, alot of wishful thinking from chicoms who think they actually have an expeditionary capability. You don't deploy 10% of what France does. It is about time to realise Chini soldiers are good for parades, putting out fires, killing mosquitoes and digging wells... they don't do much else except abue their power against their own people. We already heard from PLA officers saying how corrupt and incompetent they are. Hate to hurt your vagina but you really don't have much to brag about. It is really sorry when you are broker than Greece. :rofl:
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I think You are confusing F-15 eagle with F-15 strike eagle here. The F-15 eagle is a pure air superiority aircraft, which has been modified for AtG roles as F15 strike eagle or F-15E. This aircraft can never match an aircraft designed for multirole/omnirole as they call it on AtG capabilities at any time. Thats just makes no sense from a logical point of view.

And I think to think America has the best equipments in the world is a very wrong notion. Just because of big bucks, they dont become tech masters. For instance, Su27s/30s beat their american counterpart F-15 any day in A-A combat with same level of pilot training. And Su 30s are much cheaper than F-15s!!!
F-15 Eagle or F-15E has different variants :

F-15A : Single Seat Air Superiority
F-15B : Dual Seat Air Superiority

F-15C : Single Seat Air Superiority (Improved)
F-15D : Dual Seat Air Superiority (Improved)

F-15E Strike Eagle : Multirole Version (Boeing: F-15E Strike Eagle)
F-15SE Silent Eagle : Further improvement of Strike Eagle (DailyTech - Boeing F-15SE "Silent Eagle" May Wind Up in South Korean Air Force)

Mad Indian every country keeps the best for themselves
No country, no matter how close our relations are with them will provide us with their best tech be it Russia or Israel .. cant say about Europeans
 
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I am aghast that while the title of this thread is

France reaffirms its commitment to asia pacific security

we are discussing various weapon systems of France and other countries.

Maybe the title should be changed.

France does not have the wherewithal to be effective in the Asia Pacific region as a player without being a part of an alliance supervising the security of the Asia Pacific region.

What has France achieved in areas beyond her interests in erstwhile French Africa?
 

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