Four Players Interested In Supplying 57 Fighter Jets To Navy Costing 15 Billion

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  1. WolfPack86

    WolfPack86 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Currently, six planes are compatible for aircraft carrier. They are Rafale, F-18 Super Hornet, MIG-29K, F-35B and F-35C and Gripen
    NEW DELHI:
    Four players have shown an interest in providing the Navy with 57 multi-role combat fighter jets for its aircraft carrier, Indian Navy chief Sunil Lanba said today.

    The chief of naval staff also said the Scorpene submarine Kalvari is going through its final phase of trials and should be delivered by July-August.

    Having rejected indigenously built 'Tejas' as too heavy, the Indian Navy in January issued a Request for Information to procure 57 multi-role combat aircraft for its carrier.

    "The Navy has got response from four players for the RFI. We will examine the RFI and take it forward," Lanba said on the sidelines of a seminar organised by FICCI on 'Building India's Future Navy Technology Imperatives'.
    He, however, did not disclose the name of the companies which have shown interest in the proposal.

    At present, the Navy operates 45 MIG-29K jets which face serviceability issues from time to time.
    Currently, six planes are compatible for aircraft carrier. They are Rafale (Dassault, France), F-18 Super Hornet (Boeing, US), MIG-29K (Russia), F-35B and F-35C (Lockheed Martin, US) and Gripen (Saab, Sweden).
    While F-18, Rafale and MIG-29K are twin engine jets, the remaining three have single engine.

    The delivery of deck based fighter jets is expected to take four-five years.

    The indigenously built aircraft-carrier Vikrant should complete trials in 2019. It was likely to be commissioned by 2020, Lanba said.

    When asked about the recently approved Strategic Partnership (SP) model under which select private firms will be engaged to build military platforms like submarines and battle helicopters, Lanba said the next step would be to identify strategic partners.

    "All three service chiefs will have to go and get the AONs (Acceptance of Necessity) on what we want to be built through strategic partners, so that partners in each segment can be identified.

    "We are hopeful that we should be able to move this process in next six months," he said.
    Four segments -- submarines, fighter aircraft, helicopters and armoured carriers/main battle tanks -- were identified under the new policy, aimed at attracting billions of dollars of investment in defence manufacturing by private defence majors including leading foreign firms.

    The Ministry of Defence had recently scrapped navy's decision to appoint Flag Officer Delhi Area (FODA) and Flag officer Gujarat Naval area (FOGNA) without its consent.

    Responding to this, Lanba said, "We are in discussion with the Ministry of Defence and we will resolve it."
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  3. Filtercoffee

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    We should stick with what we have.
     
  4. abingdonboy

    abingdonboy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Easy Rafale win, if the French don't screw it up.
     
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    I doubt the Navy would even consider the single-engine fighters. IMHO, they will err on the side of caution and go with either Rafael (Most likely) or F-18 (Unlikely due to Trump).
    The reaction of the Air Force when Navy gets more Rafael than them would be interesting.
     
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    The problem with France is the high price. Rafale costs 80 million a piece vs an established 32 million a piece MIG 29 K for the Navy. If allowed though, the Rafale is great addition to the air arm barring the time and training involved, I dont foresee a problem for Rafales to fly with the Navy.
     
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    If the IN wanted more MiG-29Ks they could have gone for a repeat order and would have got them by now instead of launching an entirely new open tender that will be highly time consuming.

    Read the CAG report, the IN's MiG-29K real world performance is terrible and a liability, you pay peanuts and you will get monkeys.
     
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    My sense is that after Trump's refusal for F16 plant in India, India will cancel the single engine fighter contract and go for buying more Rafales and Su 30mkis. With so many American items on Grippen, it makes no sense to buy Grippen either. For AMCA we will have a JV with France and Russia and go for french engines and FGFA items.
     
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    after making a sale of 100s of billion deal with arabs , trump won't going to allow menufecturing of figjters jets in india for few 10s of billion....

    their is only two choices left , rafale or naval su30.....
     
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    Congratulations Boeing!


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  11. Rahul Singh

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    If Trump is not allowing manufacturing in India, then good bye single engine fighter tender. It will be Tejas all the way. No point in going for Gripen E, it's more American than Swedish and an equivalent of Tejas.
     
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  12. Babloo Singh

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    There is serious availability issues with Mig 29K, still we have a opportunity with this platform.
    Replacing RD 33 of Mig 29K with F414 will probably short out most of issues... definitely improve reliability & performance.. an AESA upgrade will be great...
    Over all we may resolve the present issues and have a good platform at very reasonable cost...
    Your views on this friends...
     
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    Not just more but even faster unlike botched up MMRCA
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    I believe the Kaveri was designed as a drop fit for the MiG29s, including the MiG29K. I doubt if the Russians will put an American engine on the plane since that would mean integrating the F414's FADEC with the rest of the MiG29K's systems, including the FCS. Also, I would personally like to see a TVC on the Indian Navy's MiG29Ks. As for the AESA radar we should aim to fit the Uttam on this bird. If not then a Zhuk-AE would be fine since then only the antenna of the existing radar will be replaced by the Zhuk's active phased array antenna.
     
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  15. Babloo Singh

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    GE 414 is proven engine in case of Aircraft carrier operations, reliability is bigger factor for Navy.
    Kaveri will be great idea on Air force Mig's.
    We should pay Russians one time for the Mig 29 air frame rights and then do our own Mig 29's with Kaveri engines, Uttam radar's etc... and build no's. It will be better than going for F-16's.
     
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    Aircrafts are designed according to engines..... You can not interchange engines so easily.
    All those engines have different dimension, thrust and weight..... That means you wil have to do structural changes in aircraft. Which is a complicated and expensive process.
     
  17. Babloo Singh

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    GE 414 is marginally lighter & smaller both in length & diameter so we may not have major structural work requirement...
     
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