Falkland Islands part deux

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What were Che's views on the Falklands? After all he was from Argentina, but I don't know if he was very patriotic towards Argentina or not. He was always more of an internationalist than a nationalist.
I think Che would be favour to Argentina.

During the war even the leftist armed groups as Motoneros ceased their attacks against Argentinean dictatorship to engage the national war effort in Malvinas

Che Guevara was internationallist rather nationalist, but he was rather more a anti-imperialist and should see the war this way.
 

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Looking forward to this confrontation ..Type-42 vs Type-42 ...:rofl:
 

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Argentina has to invade the territory since the population there does not want to be associated with Argentina... same with Gibraltar.


It's interesting how America will react to an escalation. We all know there's will be no love lost between Ms. Fernandez and Washington.
That's because original Argentines were beaten and sent back to the mainland. This is something like POK and our J&K of 90s when local Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs were exterminated in the valley by Muslims and exiled and then later demanded self determination. I strongly support Falkland Islands as a part of Argentina and most Indians do.

In fact, if we had a reasonable government, we would have raised the issue of "disputed territory" Since UK along with their cronies think J&K is "disputed".

In fact, we should consider all the territories of the west that are in conflict as disputed by cartographic aggression just as they put Asian territories as "disputed".

Starting with:

UK-- Northern Ireland and Falklands.
 

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Maybe Obama will invoke the Monroe Doctrine with UK.
Can't. This time, entire South America has united for the Falklands. UK had to warn 3 major countries. Even Chavez is supporting Argentine cause (at least in speeches).

While UK might be strong enough to fight one country, one must note that South America is growing economically while UK is receding. Not to mention now that UK is without its aircraft carrier, if at all there is a war, UK would badly lose sitting thousands of miles away.

USA won't do anything in this matter as this has nothing to do with your interests. Heck! Brazil and Argentina are important trade partners to US in South America and to go against them for UK would be unreasonable.

Europe has to realize that the time for their colonial rule is over. Best would be to let these countries flourish and establish best trade ties with them. Trying their DIVIDE AND RULE policies at this stage would mean these colonial powers will only break and collapse.

There's a huge difference between 80s and today.
 

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I thought I was replying to your post on shutting down the airport for this would require air assets from the Argentinians, which could be neutralised by Type 45s. Anti-ship ops on the other hand could be handled by the nuclear attack subs just like the previous confrontation (ARA General Belgrano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
I thought I was replying to shutting down MPA. There are only 4 Typhoons, one Type 42, a couple patrol boats and maybe a sub in the whole region. MPA is protected by Rapier SAMs. If the Argies launch a suprise attack the sub won't likely find the ships, the attacking ships can fire guns at MPA to shut down the runway while they launch air raids. There are no ASMs except on the 42 which will likely be shored up. Wiped out they can begin amphibous operations before the Brits respond. If you bring in a 45 and SSNs later, it is already too late as they don't have the amphibious capability to retake it.
 

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UK should just threaten to nuke the ponchos in the event of an invasion.
 

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this will ensure mad rush for nuke bombs nothing else.
i say it will only delay the problem not solve it. in the end argentina might as well acquire it.:scared2:
UK should just threaten to nuke the ponchos in the event of an invasion.
 

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this will ensure mad rush for nuke bombs nothing else.
i say it will only delay the problem not solve it. in the end argentina might as well acquire it.:scared2:
The US won't allow that. Because a Nuclear Latin America will be an end to US dominance in that region.Countries like the UK should get tough instead of the soft state image they are promoting these days.
Heck they don't even have a Carrier and there were even reports about the reduction of their Nuke arsenal in the future.
 

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The US won't allow that. Because a Nuclear Latin America will be an end to US dominance in that region.Countries like the UK should get tough instead of the soft state image they are promoting these days.

Heck they don't even have a Carrier and there were even reports about the reduction of their Nuke arsenal in the future.
How is the first bold possible without the second bold? Their expeditionary capability is almost halved because of having no carriers. Their budget cuts are going into billions, there are no civilian jobs, forget military spending.

OTOH, Latin America is rising and becoming regionally more united. This is not 80s where West European countries could just walk over any former colonies. Believe me if UK was to consider a military approach, this time it would be tough as Brazil and Venezuela are also involved. Brazil might have strong relations with USA but in recent political decisions, it has shown that it doesn't have to toe US lines all the time (Iran sanction vote, enrichment issue etc). Brazil is quite a strong nation.

And we all know how lovely Chavez is. He has a small country but a cash rich (oil) and a rapidly arming country. Sanctions from US only made him double his armaments from Russia. He's ploughing into the Russian defense goods and that is pretty strong for a SA country.

Apart from this, Argentina is now more vehement in its position. Closely cooperating with other regional countries of South America, Argentina has a strong say in the continent and with that Fernandez woman in power, it is only set to get stronger.


US won't do anything. Period. What benefit does supporting UK, serve US? Nothing. At the maximum, it will mediate and ask for hostilities to end. But at this stage when Europe is dead except for France and Germany, if UK attacks Falklands they would badly lose.

Nuclear threat would be the worst idea as Nagraj said. Remember that after Iran and North Korea, we don't need any more nuclear states. Since South America doesn't have one, there will be voices raised for them to get nukes using UK's hypothetical nuke threat as an excuse. And leaders like Chavez would be only happy to fund such a program.

This means USA would have additional headache in the region and that is something it doesn't want. So in the end, if the hostilities heat up, this might cause frictions between USA and UK instead more than US and South America. :lol:
 

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UK is no push over. When tiny two bit countries can defend their territorial integrity, UK is not going to give up Falklands. Especially when there are reports of Oil discoveries there.

This should serve as a reason for them to militarise again instead of downsizing it.
 
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UK is no push over. When tiny two bit countries can defend their territorial integrity, UK is not going to give up Falklands. Especially when there are reports of Oil discoveries there.

This should serve as a reason for them to militarise again instead of downsizing it.
This oil discovery is something that Brazil also has claims to. It may not be so easy this time like the colonial days. Brazil has also paced orders for scorpenes etc..

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110717/165238802.html

Brazil launches construction of four Scorpene-class submarines
 

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This oil discovery is something that Brazil also has claims to. It may not be so easy this time like the colonial days. Brazil has also paced orders for scorpenes etc..

Brazil launches construction of four Scorpene-class submarines | World | RIA Novosti

Brazil launches construction of four Scorpene-class submarines
Doesn't matter if this is not the colonial era. If UK is made to give up Falklands it will hurt their pride too much and make them look like an ass.
We, despite our spineless leadership cannot think of losing any part of A&N. Will the Brits give up?
 

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Argentina lost its half of Amphibious capability since 1982, Doubt they are going for offence..
 

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UK is no push over. When tiny two bit countries can defend their territorial integrity, UK is not going to give up Falklands. Especially when there are reports of Oil discoveries there.

This should serve as a reason for them to militarise again instead of downsizing it.
UK must militarize itself at a faster pace, faster they do it, faster comes their downfall. UK will ultimately be dissolved into it's constituent states. This is not the 16th century. Falkland Islands belong to South America.
 
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Doesn't matter if this is not the colonial era. If UK is made to give up Falklands it will hurt their pride too much and make them look like an ass.
We, despite our spineless leadership cannot think of losing any part of A&N. Will the Brits give up?
Brits will definetly not give it up. What leverage does Argentina have??
 

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