F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[IndianHawk]

F-35 stealth fighter intercept Russian military aircraft for first time

Norway’s new F-35 stealth fighter jets intercepted two Russian Tu-142 maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft and one MiG-31 fighter jet flying in international airspace south of the so-called GIUK gap (Greenland-Iceland-UK), officials said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/defenc...ian-military-aircraft-for-first-time.html/amp

Lol Russian will keep doing this untill they have full signature of f35.

 

[BON PLAN]

https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...chdog-skeptical-on-new-f-35-logistics-system/

Congressional watchdog skeptical on new F-35 logistics system

Due to longstanding performance problems with ALIS, the Defense Department intends to co-develop a new cloud-based replacement with Lockheed known as the Operational Data Integrated Network, or ODIN, which would be fielded by 2022.

But in a new report released Monday, the Government Accountability Office noted that the Department of Defense still needs to solidify the acquisition strategy and goals of ODIN.

“Officials from the Office of the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation stressed that effectively transitioning from the current system to a future one will be particularly challenging for DOD given the need to continue sustaining the more than 400 aircraft that have already been fielded with current ALIS,” the organization stated.

better and better.

 

[BON PLAN]

https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...chdog-skeptical-on-new-f-35-logistics-system/

Congressional watchdog skeptical on new F-35 logistics system

Due to longstanding performance problems with ALIS, the Defense Department intends to co-develop a new cloud-based replacement with Lockheed known as the Operational Data Integrated Network, or ODIN, which would be fielded by 2022.

But in a new report released Monday, the Government Accountability Office noted that the Department of Defense still needs to solidify the acquisition strategy and goals of ODIN.

“Officials from the Office of the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation stressed that effectively transitioning from the current system to a future one will be particularly challenging for DOD given the need to continue sustaining the more than 400 aircraft that have already been fielded with current ALIS,” the organization stated.

better and better.

Switzerland and Finland will love that news.

 

[Immanuel]

Lol Russian will keep doing this untill they have full signature of f35.

I doubt it's that easy, the F-35 will be flying with Lunesberg lenses so it's signature in such roles will always remain manipulated. The F-35 can mimick signatures of other aircraft.

 

[BON PLAN]

I doubt it's that easy, the F-35 will be flying with Lunesberg lenses so it's signature in such roles will always remain manipulated. The F-35 can mimick signatures of other aircraft.

YES, it flies by peace time with at least one lens.
How can it mimick other plane signature ? It would be a kind of active activation, so another proof of the possibility of active cancelation (ie SPECTRA) that most of the F35 fan boys refuse to accept.

 

[Atcjurvin]

YES, it flies by peace time with at least one lens.
How can it mimick other plane signature ? It would be a kind of active activation, so another proof of the possibility of active cancelation (ie SPECTRA) that most of the F35 fan boys refuse to accept.

Not sure but active cancellation is carried out using TWT jammer which is also fitted on ground based radars.

 

[asianobserve]

Not sure.
The F35 suffer from two problems :
It was studied for 3 differents services, with huges compromises specially due to B model. I'm quite sure that a dedicated C model, without the B, would have been better. But it's not the main problem.

The other is that LM wanted from the begining a highly sophisticated weapon system, in a too short time. The result is an increasingly complex softwar, studied by too many teams, and with a lot a issues. (if it takes 10 days for a tiler to tile a bathroom, 10 tilers will not do quality work in one day. Same for a big software).
The way followed to improve, block after block, the F16 for exemple was less risky and mode potent. It was the same model used for EF, Gripen, Rafale, and probably Su57 and J20.

Most problems of F-35 are software related. The only hardware problems are:

1. Stealth coating on F-35B & C which is already solved; and,

2 Gun mount on F-35A which is being addressed. But let's face it, the F-35s will not be using their internal cannons in 99.999% of actual warfare scenarios either A2A or A2G.

As I said, most if not all problems with F-35 are about software or IP ownership of software and data issues between LM and US DOD which is hampering FOC.

 

[asianobserve]

Lol Russian will keep doing this untill they have full signature of f35.

For regular sovereignty patrols and Russian intercepts all F-35s will be fitted with Lunenberg lenses which makes their radar signatures bigger or as big as 4th gen fighters. Second, NATO intercepts of Russian planes are directed by either ground based or AWACS radars. The F-35 will not actively use its radar to intercept Russian planes. DAS, EOTS and in some instances AN/APG-81 will be used only in passive mode to collect Russian planes radar and other electronic signatures.

So Rissians will not learn anything substantial about F-35s from these intercepts.

 

[BON PLAN]

As I said, most if not all problems with F-35 are about software or IP ownership of software and data issues between LM and US DOD which is hampering FOC.

Yes. But this software is increasignly complicated. They try for years to fix it ! See the ALIS system : it will be replaced.

I remember one problem during the Rafale dev phase : there was a small problem with the nose wheel steering (if I remember well) , and because all is link together through multiplex buses, they discovered a non anticipated issue with the carriage doors system ! And it was quite easy to detect and to solve. In the F35 case the software is far bigger and too late in dev, so I'm no confident they will be able to end it fastly and properly.

Never forget that 14 years after pre serial flight this bird is not FOC ! It's a hint.

F22 is now difficult to be software upgraded. F35 will be the next case, once a standard be FOC.

 

[asianobserve]

Yes. But this software is increasignly complicated. They try for years to fix it ! See the ALIS system : it will be replaced.

I remember one problem during the Rafale dev phase : there was a small problem with the nose wheel steering (if I remember well) , and because all is link together through multiplex buses, they discovered a non anticipated issue with the carriage doors system ! And it was quite easy to detect and to solve. In the F35 case the software is far bigger and too late in dev, so I'm no confident they will be able to end it fastly and properly.

Never forget that 14 years after pre serial flight this bird is not FOC ! It's a hint.

F22 is now difficult to be software upgraded. F35 will be the next case, once a standard be FOC.

Software can always be fixed and improved.

 

[IndianHawk]

I doubt it's that easy, the F-35 will be flying with Lunesberg lenses so it's signature in such roles will always remain manipulated. The F-35 can mimick signatures of other aircraft.

For regular sovereignty patrols and Russian intercepts all F-35s will be fitted with Lunenberg lenses which makes their radar signatures bigger or as big as 4th gen fighters. Second, NATO intercepts of Russian planes are directed by either ground based or AWACS radars. The F-35 will not actively use its radar to intercept Russian planes. DAS, EOTS and in some instances AN/APG-81 will be used only in passive mode to collect Russian planes radar and other electronic signatures.

So Rissians will not learn anything substantial about F-35s from these intercepts.

Time for some education. Why was it a tu142 and not a fighter jet that Russia send?

Because the objective is not to use fighter radar to map f35 but rather obtaining high resolution images of f35 flying from all kind of cameras ( thermal ,image , infrared , passive tv and many more ).
Basically map all the surface with all it's irregularities go back home make a model with similar irregularities and measure it against fighter radars.

Science is not so simple that a two bit lense can stop data gathering.

Think again why is USA afraid to field it side by side to s400? So much so that they kicked out turkey from production and forsake order of 100+ jets worth 10s of billions? That right there tells you just how effective lurenburg lens is. Lol. Ask critical questions before believing everything.

 

[asianobserve]

Time for some education. Why was it a tu142 and not a fighter jet that Russia send?

Because the objective is not to use fighter radar to map f35 but rather obtaining high resolution images of f35 flying from all kind of cameras ( thermal ,image , infrared , passive tv and many more ).
Basically map all the surface with all it's irregularities go back home make a model with similar irregularities and measure it against fighter radars.

Science is not so simple that a two bit lense can stop data gathering.

Think again why is USA afraid to field it side by side to s400? So much so that they kicked out turkey from production and forsake order of 100+ jets worth 10s of billions? That right there tells you just how effective lurenburg lens is. Lol. Ask critical questions before believing everything.

Oh man, if it's only photo of F-35s that Russians want tge don't need Tu-142. They just attend airshows take photos all they can from static displays and from aerial demos of F-35s. Theu can use all kinds of camera including IR.

But what will the Russians learn from it? Nothing. The most important thing in fighters especially the F-35, are their radar signatures and electronic emmissions. You won't get these data from pictures.

You cannot get the radar profile of F-35 simply by analyzing photos or making a 3D model out of these photos. The F-35 uses not only shaping to evade radar, it uses exotic skin coating, EW, decoys, etc. In the IR spectrum it uses elaborate fuselage cooling, exhaust IR mitigation, etc.

Re, S-400. It's not a real threat to F-35. Even F-16, SH and F-15s operating with Growlers, MALD swarm, JASSM or AARGM can defeat it. Mix in B-2, F-22 and F-35 the no AD system will survive a full on onslaught by US and NATO air forces.

The only reason US has been targetting S-400 is to disrupt Russia's strategic political msneuvers. USAF and the Israeli Air Force have been flying in and out of Syria where Russian S-400 is active. So, sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[asianobserve]

Just one of US' trick up its sleeve against S-300 - S-400:

 

[BON PLAN]

Software can always be fixed and improved.

Yes. The sole question is when. It will take much more time than expected or intended due to the complexity of the soft, and due to the numerous patchs already installed.
ALIS is a first answer.

 

[BON PLAN]

The F-35 will not actively use its radar to intercept Russian planes

why not? the modes available for peace time, current training, training with close ally or war times are never the same.
They can use a medium power, peace time mode so as not giving too much informations.

 

[BON PLAN]

Because the objective is not to use fighter radar to map f35 but rather obtaining high resolution images of f35 flying from all kind of cameras ( thermal ,image , infrared , passive tv and many more ).
Basically map all the surface with all it's irregularities go back home make a model with similar irregularities and measure it against fighter radars.

It's not so easy. And the shape is one thing, the materials another.

 

[BON PLAN]

A shame !

F-35 ALIS open deficiencies grow to 4,700 over past two years

ALIS’ 4,700 open deficiencies are atop 873 deficiencies with the F-35, problems which were recently outlined in the US Department of Defense’s (DoD’s) Office of the Director of Operational Test & Evaluation. The report was released to the US Congress on 30 January.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-...es-grow-to-4700-over-two-years/137345.article

 

[nongaddarliberal]

A shame !

F-35 ALIS open deficiencies grow to 4,700 over past two years

ALIS’ 4,700 open deficiencies are atop 873 deficiencies with the F-35, problems which were recently outlined in the US Department of Defense’s (DoD’s) Office of the Director of Operational Test & Evaluation. The report was released to the US Congress on 30 January.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-...es-grow-to-4700-over-two-years/137345.article

At this rate, F 35 will only mature by 2027-2030. Still, one can't deny that it would be a great asset to have in a war, in combination with 4.5th gen aircraft.

 

[Immanuel]

Time for some education. Why was it a tu142 and not a fighter jet that Russia send?

Because the objective is not to use fighter radar to map f35 but rather obtaining high resolution images of f35 flying from all kind of cameras ( thermal ,image , infrared , passive tv and many more ).
Basically map all the surface with all it's irregularities go back home make a model with similar irregularities and measure it against fighter radars.

Science is not so simple that a two bit lense can stop data gathering.

Think again why is USA afraid to field it side by side to s400? So much so that they kicked out turkey from production and forsake order of 100+ jets worth 10s of billions? That right there tells you just how effective lurenburg lens is. Lol. Ask critical questions before believing everything.

Lol F-35 had been flying in and around the s-400 already for a while, the US just doesn't want the F-35 and S-400 to be operated by a duplicitous nation like Turkey which also happens to be a NATO member, also a pestilence on good days. S-400 is threat for smaller AFs but not the USAF which has dozens of ways to defeat it. As for IR, TV and other signatures that the Russians want to gather, you're a bigger dufus if you think Russians don't already have this for a decade. It's the radar signature that matters most and that remains a closely guarded secret.

 

[asianobserve]

why not? the modes available for peace time, current training, training with close ally or war times are never the same.
They can use a medium power, peace time mode so as not giving too much informations.

As I said ground based radars through Link16 can guide F-35 during intercepts. Then F-35 can use its own DAS and EOTS, and even radsr in passive mode to locate the aircrsft of interest, not to mention that F-35s csn also get satellite datas.

All this time F-35s radar signature will be musked by Lunenberg lens. So there's nothing to learn.