F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[Immanuel]

The LCA design is frozen for years. That doesn't mean it can't be optimised. The skill of Dassault is well known, specially for Delta.

About Kaveri, very few news in France.... I don't know if it goes in the right direction or not.

LCA's design is being optimized with LCA MK-2, AMCA will be optimized by the time it gets FOC.

 

[IndianHawk]

Ally doesn't mean you get to fondle the testicles. To give out sensitive tech to unwashed abduls is silliness.

One would argue making in alliance with unwashed Abdul was stupid in the first place!

Anyway USA is also threatening us with sanctions for s400 so what are we unwashed yindoo for them!

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[IndianHawk]

The LCA design is frozen for years. That doesn't mean it can't be optimised. The skill of Dassault is well known, specially for Delta.

About Kaveri, very few news in France.... I don't know if it goes in the right direction or not.

Engine are a huge opportunity for France. France should take Advantage of current tension and uncertainties among us India and offer indo- french joint engine for lca , mwf and amca and even AURA drone. They together present opportunity for 1000+ engine and more over lifetime of these planes . Huge business for France if it can wrestle it away from usa.

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[abingdonboy]

Dassault first has to deliver the Rafale and hope for a second order.

Second, as far as AMCA goes, Dassault has nothing to offer.

Dassualt has nothing to offer? Are you high?

The consortium that created the Rafale (that includes Safran and Thales ) is probably the most capable on the planet (next to the F35 project).

You think these world class companies have nothing to offer for India’s next gen a/c? If not them who?

IF India goes shopping for partners France should be top of the list. US won’t give what India wants and Russia will fleece and fleece and never deliver.

Dassault can offer in offset for a second deal (may be bigger than 36) or MMRCA2.... to assist HAL for designing AMCA.

It’s not HAL that is designing AMCA mate, it’s the DRDO’s aerospace R&D arm- ADA.

HAL will be a production partner for AMCA in all likelihood (although ADA wants private industry to be involved from day one.)

 

[asianobserve]

U.S. Air Force deployed F-35 and F-15 fighters to Lithuania
https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-air-force-deployed-f-35-and-f-15-fighters-to-lithuania.html

 

[asianobserve]

Netherlands stepping up F-35 purchase after Turkey’s ejection from programme

The Netherlands is stepping up its purchase of the F-35 fighter jets by adding another eight or nine jets to its order for 37 aircraft, following the U.S.’ ejection of Turkey from the F-35 programme, Turkish aviation site Kokpit reported on Saturday.

https://ahvalnews.com/f-35/netherla...chase-after-turkeys-ejection-programme-kokpit

 

[BON PLAN]

LCA's design is being optimized with LCA MK-2, AMCA will be optimized by the time it gets FOC.

LCA mk2 is to the LCA what Gripen E is to Gripen C : a new aircraft.
AMCA is nothing else than a paper project. Maybe some wind tunnel scale models, but it is far far from the end.

 

[BON PLAN]

Engine are a huge opportunity for France. France should take Advantage of current tension and uncertainties among us India and offer indo- french joint engine for lca , mwf and amca and even AURA drone. They together present opportunity for 1000+ engine and more over lifetime of these planes . Huge business for France if it can wrestle it away from usa.

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In France we have no serious news about the Safranised Kaveri. Do you have?

 

[BON PLAN]

U.S. Air Force deployed F-35 and F-15 fighters to Lithuania
https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-air-force-deployed-f-35-and-f-15-fighters-to-lithuania.html

the F15 are there to protect F35 in case of a Mig29 or Su27 encounter....

 

[BON PLAN]

Need for new F-15s reflects F-35 catastrophe
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/need-for-new-f-15s-reflects-f-35-catastrophe

The biggest acquisition disasterOpens a New Window. in the Pentagon’sOpens a New Window. history shows no sign of abating.

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), the poster child for ineptitude and inefficiency in defense procurement, has been in development for nearly 18 years and is eight years behind schedule. The total acquisition costs of the fifth-generation aircraft now exceed $428 billion, nearly double the initial estimate of $233 billion. The lifetime operation and maintenance costs of the most expensive weapon system in history will total approximately $1.2 trillion.

 

[Immanuel]

Dassualt has nothing to offer? Are you high?

The consortium that created the Rafale (that includes Safran and Thales ) is probably the most capable on the planet (next to the F35 project).

You think these world class companies have nothing to offer for India’s next gen a/c? If not them who?

IF India goes shopping for partners France should be top of the list. US won’t give what India wants and Russia will fleece and fleece and never deliver.

It’s not HAL that is designing AMCA mate, it’s the DRDO’s aerospace R&D arm- ADA.

HAL will be a production partner for AMCA in all likelihood (although ADA wants private industry to be involved from day one.)

Dassault is one company, apart from capable air frames, I don't see how they are any better than Euro fighter or Saab.

Thales is a great company, joint ventures with them are fine. Snecma too but again I don't see how they are going to be of big help on the AMCA since for now, the AMCA pathforward seems more focused on local work (a good thing) with help of GE for engine till perhaps a new version of Kaveri comes around 2027 or so.

Also, IAF often prefers Israeli kit (for avionics, EW suites, jammers, weapons etc.).

Wasn't it Thales who refused to integrate Meteor on the LCA because we didn't choose their radar.

HAL will be the lead integrator and sure more Private industry will take part. Probably the MKI line will be transformed to AMCA line.

 

[Immanuel]

LCA mk2 is to the LCA what Gripen E is to Gripen C : a new aircraft.
AMCA is nothing else than a paper project. Maybe some wind tunnel scale models, but it is far far from the end.

Well with AMCA we are way ahead of the French 5th gen fighter which hasn't even begun wind tunnel work. What is called 'SCAT' or 'SHAT'?

LCA Tejas MK-1A is the optimized version of the LCA which itself would be great aircraft.

 

[Immanuel]

Need for new F-15s reflects F-35 catastrophe
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/need-for-new-f-15s-reflects-f-35-catastrophe

The biggest acquisition disasterOpens a New Window. in the Pentagon’sOpens a New Window. history shows no sign of abating.

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), the poster child for ineptitude and inefficiency in defense procurement, has been in development for nearly 18 years and is eight years behind schedule. The total acquisition costs of the fifth-generation aircraft now exceed $428 billion, nearly double the initial estimate of $233 billion. The lifetime operation and maintenance costs of the most expensive weapon system in history will total approximately $1.2 trillion.

Funding of 8 F-15EXs for USAF is hard cry from any serious orders, what is absolutely amazing is that the US continues to sell a mid 60s era aircraft in 2020, everyone from Qatar, Saudi and Israeli's looking at more Advanced Eagles.

That's outrageously laughable.

If you understand this strategy at all, the F-35 will be selling way past the life span of the SCAT or SHAT of whatever the new Dassault 5th gen fighter is called.


https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...building-qatars-f-15s-part-eagles-renaissance

Qatar’s F-15s are the most advanced version of the fighter yet developed. Based on the F-15SA that is being supplied to Saudi Arabia, the F-15QA (Qatari Advanced) has an infrared search and track sensor, a digital electronic warfare suite, and Raytheon’s APG-63(V)3 AESA radar. Unlike earlier F-15s, the new SA and QA versions have fly-by-wire flight control systems. Tests of the FBW Eagle got underway in early 2013.

Moreover, Qatar’s aircraft will have a new wing design that retains the aerodynamic profile but has a new internal structure for longer life. New cockpit displays include a low-profile head-up display from BAE Systems. Most noteworthy is the adoption of a wide-area touchscreen display, similar to that found in the F-35 Lightning II. New launchers will allow Qatar’s aircraft to carry 16 AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles and four AIM-9X Sidewinders on air defense missions, with a range of precision-guided stores such as Small Diameter Bombs and JDAMs available for air-to-surface sorties.

 

[Immanuel]

The LCA design is frozen for years. That doesn't mean it can't be optimised. The skill of Dassault is well known, specially for Delta.

About Kaveri, very few news in France.... I don't know if it goes in the right direction or not.

But AMCA is not a Delta wing so no help needed there Thanks though. Perhaps we can help you with the SCAT or SHAT of whatever they call it.

 

[BON PLAN]

Dassault is one company, apart from capable air frames, I don't see how they are any better than Euro fighter or Saab.

Thales is a great company, joint ventures with them are fine. Snecma too but again I don't see how they are going to be of big help on the AMCA since for now, the AMCA pathforward seems more focused on local work (a good thing) with help of GE for engine till perhaps a new version of Kaveri comes around 2027 or so.

Also, IAF often prefers Israeli kit (for avionics, EW suites, jammers, weapons etc.).

Wasn't it Thales who refused to integrate Meteor on the LCA because we didn't choose their radar.

HAL will be the lead integrator and sure more Private industry will take part. Probably the MKI line will be transformed to AMCA line.

It's not specially Dassault, but a whole french team that is the sole to offer a complete fighter in europe.
Eurofighter is the result of 4 nations, and the result costs more and is globally less capable than the french plane. SAAB rely on US engine, US FBW, the radar is not swedish... so very dependant.

IAF chose israeli kits, because it's good stuff, and because it's highly unlikely to see such weapons in the Pak army.

Meteor : Just see what was the recent reaction of the russian side when IAF wanted to integrate ASRAAM on Su30! same problem !

 

[BON PLAN]

Well with AMCA we are way ahead of the French 5th gen fighter which hasn't even begun wind tunnel work. What is called 'SCAT' or 'SHAT'?

LCA Tejas MK-1A is the optimized version of the LCA which itself would be great aircraft.

My old friend, do you want to take a bet with me about the first plane to fly as a demonstrator between SCAF and AMCA ? :bounce:

SCAF = System de Combat Aerien du Futur. (futur aerial combat system)

 

[BON PLAN]

But AMCA is not a Delta wing so no help needed there Thanks though. Perhaps we can help you with the SCAT or SHAT of whatever they call it.

Falcon products range is all but Delta
As Mirage F1, Jaguar, alfajet ...

 

[Immanuel]

My old friend, do you want to take a bet with me about the first plane to fly as a demonstrator between SCAF and AMCA ? :bounce:

SCAF = System de Combat Aerien du Futur. (futur aerial combat system)

AMCA first flight is planned for before 2025, let see if SCAF can fly before then.

 

[BON PLAN]

AMCA first flight is planned for before 2025, let see if SCAF can fly before then.

The indian time is now well known in the west : 2025 means 2030+.
SCAF first flight is not well defined. in ten years nearly....

 

[vampyrbladez]

The indian time is now well known in the west : 2025 means 2030+.
SCAF first flight is not well defined. in ten years nearly....

Nope! AMCA 2025 means just so! Most of the development has been handed over to private industry and not HAL.