European Union Army

[Ray]

All this time frame. In the 19th century Europe was afraid of France, in the 18th century Sweden and Russia. Where you receive an aggressive leader this country is dangerous.

Merkel is dangerous?

 

[Akim]

Merkel is dangerous?

It is difficult to answer. She's like the US uses economic pressure. But this method is only effective on weak economic of the country.
USA uses and economic and military position. Modern Russia is also moving along this path. However, unlike the USSR, its economy, allowing it to deal only in its regional "swamp".

 

[jouni]

I guess there is a change that I could be an android build by Jouni and only think I live my own life while. Like those Nexus 6 androids from Blade Runner.

But i'm quite sure that my memories are real and not implanted by someone else.

Do not worry, I have noticed that most Indians in this forum have become real Finland fans, that is why they are so happy to see more Finns in the forum!

 

[sgarg]

Do not worry, I have noticed that most Indians in this forum have become real Finland fans, that is why they are so happy to see more Finns in the forum!

Two finns (from a country of just 5.5M) on this board is really quite remarkable.

Anyway I welcome the idea of European army.

 

[Ray]

Do not worry, I have noticed that most Indians in this forum have become real Finland fans, that is why they are so happy to see more Finns in the forum!

Yes.

Only on facts and which are delightfully educative.

But not propaganda like a vassal of the US.

 

[Akim]

But not propaganda like a vassal of the US.

There is math: 2*2=4 and (-2*-2)=4. You want to see the second.

 

[Ray]

There is math: 2*2=4 and (-2*-2)=4. You want to see the second.

Not if it what is being given from US feeds or Russian feeds.

 

[DingDong]

It is difficult to answer. She's like the US uses economic pressure. But this method is only effective on weak economic of the country.
USA uses and economic and military position. Modern Russia is also moving along this path. However, unlike the USSR, its economy, allowing it to deal only in its regional "swamp".

Yep, she tried that Economic terrorism on India (Italian Marine case), and now the Indian establishment is trying to humiliate the visiting EU delegation in various manners.

The delegation of MEPs reached New Delhi just as the Indian government decided to scrap plans for the EU-India summit

When asked if the fact that the Prime Minister, External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj and NSA Ajit Doval had not met the delegation was significant, Indian officials made no comment.

EU silence on summit not deliberate: MEPs - The Hindu

 

[Compersion]

What about Brits ... their economy and also military might be the strongest out of all in Europe

How about also a European Union anthem and European Union prison system

 

[Gabriel92]

Germany is the heart of EU, without Germany there would be no EU. If in the future Ukraine and Belarus join EU, it would get over 50 million new consumer giving new lifeblood to EU and also make it almost double the size of US population wise. For this to happen, you need a strong army with German army as its base both tactically and technically. Get those Leo 3 blueprints out and start manufacturing.

EU was a good idea at the begining,now it is a total mess and you want to add more members ?
Hope we'll get out of EU as soon as possible.

 

[jouni]

EU was a good idea at the begining,now it is a total mess and you want to add more members ?
Hope we'll get out of EU as soon as possible.

I support EU with more federalization in the future. New members in a long time: yes.

 

[pmaitra]

Germany divided over EU army proposal, 49 percent in favour - poll

. . .

In an opinion poll by Forsa for German news magazine Stern published on Wednesday, 49 percent of the more than 1,000 people surveyed said they were in favour of creating a European army while 46 percent were against it.

Juncker has suggested the EU needs its own army to face up to what he sees as threats from Russia and elsewhere and to restore the bloc's foreign policy clout. He played the idea down on Monday, saying it had not been his intention to provoke a debate. The idea faces particular resistance from Britain.

. . .

- Reuters

Germany Is Building a European Army Before Your Eyes

The Dutch Army is made up of three brigades, plus support staff and Special Forces. On June 12, one of those brigades, the 11th Airmobile, officially joined the German Army.

This was the first time ever that European country has handed part of its army over to another country. "Never before has a state renounced this elementary and integral part of its sovereignty," wrote Die Welt's political editor, Thorsten Jungholt.

"The hour has come, finally, for concrete steps towards a European Army."
— Chairman of the German Parlaiment's Defence Committee Hans-Peter Bartels
Now, Germany is making it clear that this was not an isolated event. Instead, it is a pattern Germany intends to follow as it absorbs more units from foreign militaries. "Germany is driving the European Army Project" was the title of Jungholt's Die Welt article.

. . .

The Ultimate Goal

Hans-Peter Bartels, the chairman of the German parliament's defense committee and the recipient of Kasdorf's letter, left no doubt as to the final destination of all these additions. "The hour has come, finally, for concrete steps towards a European Army," he told Die Welt.

. . .

Forced by Russia

So far, financial pressures have been prompting Germany's neighbors to seek military cooperation. They can achieve the same bang for fewer bucks by working together. But Russia's aggression in Ukraine is prompting another push.

"Something is sprouting in Germany," Jan Techau, director of the Think Tank Carnegie Europe, wrote. "As Europeans ponder the necessity of military strength after Russia's annexation of Crimea, and NATO charts its course for the post-Afghanistan era, Europe's reluctant central power is doing some serious soul-searching on its role as a military player."

. . .

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

Collectively Europeans can barely deploy and sustain 100,000 soldiers for external operations; in contrast the US has a deployable capacity of around 400,000 troops plus vast numbers of so-called strategic assets and other technologies that Europeans lack, such as long-range transport planes and ships, air tankers, precision-guided-munitions etc..

So there are no threat to Europe for now. And the earth is getting smaller because of globalism. War is getting expensive too. Even russia doesn't wanna make fight to any country in this capitalist economic order. in fact war has changed shape. in 20.th century war tools were weapons. But 21.th century war tools are economic growth, export rates and so on. So European union doesn't need a army or such a thing

 

[Jatt.Hindustan]

Jouni and Average Indian are both correct,

let the europeans federalize and destroy themselves.

Please, let them leave themselves defenceless. They are our melech, enemy and Guru Sahib has commanded us to destroy them in the future.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

 

[Akim]

Jouni and Average Indian are both correct,

let the europeans federalize and destroy themselves.

Please, let them leave themselves defenceless. They are our melech, enemy and Guru Sahib has commanded us to destroy them in the future.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

No need to gloat. Large world wars began in Europe.

 

[Gabriel92]

Jouni and Average Indian are both correct,

let the europeans federalize and destroy themselves.

Please, let them leave themselves defenceless. They are our melech, enemy and Guru Sahib has commanded us to destroy them in the future.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

Hahahahaha.

 

[sgarg]

No need to gloat. Large world wars began in Europe.

Time to reflect why world wars begin in Europe. What is the defective gene in European that he always wants to fight.

 

[sgarg]

Jouni and Average Indian are both correct,

let the europeans federalize and destroy themselves.

Please, let them leave themselves defenceless. They are our melech, enemy and Guru Sahib has commanded us to destroy them in the future.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

You should not say such things.

It is not easy to understand the message of the Guru. Only pious can understand after much effort.

We must never advocate violence.

 

[sorcerer]

France displaces Britain as key US military ally
Once a source of irritation for the United States, France has nudged aside Britain to become the US military's key European partner.

The growing ties between the two militaries were on display this month when France's top military officer, General Pierre de Villiers, hosted his US counterpart, General Martin Dempsey, aboard France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle.

The French flagship, which arrived in the Gulf in February to take part in US-led air strikes on the Islamic State group, is operating under US command -- a first for the French naval forces.

During the carrier's mission, US F-18 fighter jets have touched down on the deck of the De Gaulle and French Rafale fighters have visited American vessels.

On the deck of the carrier, the acrimony that plagued US-French relations 12 years ago over the American invasion of Iraq seemed a distant memory.

The new relationship is reflected in the warm rapport between the top generals, Dempsey and de Villiers, who have forged an "unmistakable" bond, according to Dempsey's spokesman, Colonel Ed Thomas.

"That trust has influenced French and American officers many levels down," he said.

US commanders were also grateful when France took the lead in military operations against Islamist extremists in the Sahel region of Africa, with US forces providing logistical support and drones to back up the effort.

"I think it is quite clear that this is a significant new development," said author Linda Robinson of the RAND Corporation think tank.

"France is coming to the fore in a number of venues because their interests are aligning with US interests."

- Activist ally -

One French officer boasted to AFP: "France at the moment is the most activist, most engaged European ally."

Over the past decade, France initially sought defense partners inside the European Union but found itself frustrated with Germany's more cautious view of military power.

Paris then promoted a partnership with the British military, but the much-touted effort proved disappointing, said Chris Chivvis, a former Pentagon official.

"In the last two-and-a-half years or so, there's been an increasing shift toward looking to cooperate with the United States," Chivvis said.

The evolution began with France's decision in 2009 to join NATO's integrated command structure, an acknowledgement by Paris that it needed allies to mount operations.

And on crucial security issues, France -- even more than Britain -- has recently found itself in agreement with the United States.

France played a leading role in the 2011 air war in Libya and adopted a tough stance on Iran's nuclear program that resembles and even goes beyond Washington's view.

In 2013, France -- not Britain -- stood alone with Washington in support of possible military action against the Syrian regime over its use of chemical weapons.

And last year France quickly signed up to join the air campaign against the IS group in Iraq.

The trend, through both conservative and socialist governments in France, has been a relatively "hawkish" line, Chivvis said.

More than anything, France's swift intervention in Mali in 2013, which halted an alarming advance by Islamist extremists, made an impression at the Pentagon.

"It surprised the Americans," a French diplomat said.

The Mali operation, involving more than 4,000 troops, was a "watershed," Robinson said. It conveyed that France could be relied on to check terror threats in northwest Africa.

France's robust posture coincides with the Obama administration's recognition that the United States cannot always be in the lead and wants allies to help share the burden.

"The Americans need partners that have capabilities and the will to engage and project military power," the French diplomat said.

- France over Britain? -

Britain, meanwhile, long seen as America's closest military ally, is struggling to cope with intense budget pressures that have drastically scaled back its forces.

The long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have taken a toll on British hardware and on public support for more foreign missions.

British commanders are warning the cutbacks could gut the force, and US officials have made known their concern that it would no longer be an effective ally in expeditions abroad.

Although France has an aircraft carrier, and Britain has none while it waits for construction of new ships, the two countries' forces remain roughly equivalent.

And Paris faces similar constraints on its military budget.

But it is France's willingness to deploy troops swiftly into harm's way that has set it apart from Britain in the past few years.

That does not mean that the so-called US "special relationship" with Britain has been replaced with a new entente cordiale.

The partnerships are "different in nature," Chivvis said, and US and British forces and intelligence services have been collaborating for decades.

That level of integration, he said, "is much tighter than the US-France relationship is going to be any time soon, if ever."

France displaces Britain as key US military ally

 

[Jatt.Hindustan]

You should not say such things.

It is not easy to understand the message of the Guru. Only pious can understand after much effort.

We must never advocate violence.

Go back to Pakistan.
--
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Khalsa So Jo Kare Nit Jang

Khalsa So Jo Shastar Ko Dhare
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