Esoteric talk on Gog-Magog, Russia, Syria, and Israel After coming across a lot of material on speculation of the current events in Syria having been predicted in the Bible (yes, I am talking about the Bible, not the New Testament), I have seen two competing schools of thought. One of them claims that Russia will destroy Israel because Russia is Gog and Magog. Technically, Gog is an person from the land called Magog. Spoiler: Russia as Magog Map Source: The Gog and Magog War There are persons who have countered this. Two such videos are presented herein. The interpretation here is, it is not Russia that will invade Israel, but Turkey, along with Iran, Libya, and Sudan. Essentially, Gog, from the land called Magog, is prophesied to invade Jerusalem. We have two competing views, about who the invader is: Gog is Russia (GiR Theory) Gog is Turkey (GiT Theory) Spoiler: Turkey as Magog Video 1 Spoiler: Turkey as Magog Video 2 Spoiler: Comment on the second video backpressure123 1 week ago Magog one of the sons of Japheth became the ancestor of Scythians. Scythians were Iranic nomads that lived above Caucasus in present day Russia. They have more in common with Slavs (Russia's main ethnicity) than they do with Turks. Scythians were Y-haplogroup (paternal gene that passes from dad to son) R1a people. Y-haplo R is Aryan Indo-European marker that is most dominant in both Europe and Northern India today. Slavs are also mainly R1a. We can thus say that the two people, Scythians and Slavs are brothers that came from the same ancestor. Some Scythians could be ancestors of some Slavs. Mongols and Huns are not identical people. The Xiongnu Huns above China were Turkic. They were the original Turks. Xiongnu were originally Y-haplo N (Native Siberian / Finno-Ugric - closest brother group of N is O which makes up majority of east Asians such as Chinese and Korean. N and O come from common ancestor NO) + Q (Native American - Q's closest brother group is Indo-European R, they come from common ancestor P) + C (Mongol , Tungus) people. But they had quite a bit of R1a (Scythian) gene mixed into them as well, making them a Caucasoid - Mongoloid hybrid race. Han Chinese defeated Xiongnu, and XIongnu fled westward. When they appeared in Europe as Huns, they already absorbed many Scythians (R1a) and Sarmatians (G) into their group, thus were more Caucasoid than they originally were. The Mongols are mainly Y-haplo C people (Samoans are also C) and they are from the tribe called Dongho (meaning eastern barbarian in Chinese). Dongho and Xiongnu (Huns) were distinct tribes. The Huns controlled present day Mongolia region, and Dongho lived in eastern Mongolia/western Manchuria, but after Huns moved west, Mongols replaced them and came to occupy Mongolia region. Both Mongols and Huns speak Altaic language, but genetically they are not the same, although there are some overlaps. Togarmah from the line of Japheth is said to be an ancestor of Turkics and some Caucasians. However, as mentioned earlier, the Xiongnu, ancestors of Turkics have multiple origins. They are a mixture of different peoples (N+C+Q). So saying that Togarmah is the only ancestor of Turkics is problematic. Moreover, Turks of Central Asia / Siberia (the more original Turks) have very different genes from Turks of Turkey. Turks' homeland is Central Asia, but they came to Anatolia and mixed with the Natives there. Genetically, Turks of Turkey today are closer to fellow middle-easterners (J - Semitic marker) than they are to original Turks (N+C+Q), indicating that the Natives of Anatolia are still the more dominant group in Turkey in terms of numbers. Khazars were Turkic people from Central Asia (N + Q) that came to Caucasus and mixed with the Scythians (R1a) and Native Caucasians (e.g. Sarmatians (G), Chechens (J2), Dagestanis (J1), etc.) already settled there. Thus, they would have been a mix of various people. Ashkenaz (from the line of Japheth), a brother of Torgramah, is said to be ancestor of many Ashkenazi Jews. Chechens and Dagestanis in southern Caucasus are close brothers of Semites for they all have Y-haplo J (Semitic marker). J's closest brother group is I which is Balkan, Viking, German. They come from common ancestor IJ (many of them look similar such as having high long noses and long slender faces with high foreheads). It is possible that some Chechens and Dagestanis are descendants of the lost tribes of Israel that moved up to Caucasus or descendants of Esau (descendant of Shem) who is said to have had red hair (his name means red). Many Chechens have red hair so do Ashkenazi Jews. Many Zionist Jews are said to be Edomites (Esau's descendants). Perhaps some Edomites have moved up to Caucasus and became part of Khazars. So to summarize, biblically, Turkic Khazars are descendants of Ashkenaz (Japhethic), Magog (Japhethic), Torgamah (Japhethic), and perhaps Esau (Semitic). Genetically, they are Central Asian Turkic (N + Q) + Scythian (R1a) + Chechens / Dagestanis (J) + Sarmatians (G+F+K). Celts (many of whom have red hair) are Y-haplo R1b. They are brothers of Scythians (R1a) and Northwestern Indian Aryans (R1a), both coming from R. Basques of Spain are also R1b. There is a legend that Alexander the Great built a wall on Caucasus to keep Gog and Magog (living North of Caucasus) at bay. During Apocalypse, this wall will be breached and Gog and Magog will come down. Biblical origin of Mongoloid people is still being disputed whether they are Japhethic, Hamitic, or Semitic (or even from Cain). But one thing is clear, and that is they have diverse origins. The term mongoloid doesn't mean originated in Mongolia or closely related to Mongols. It simply denotes to a set of physical traits such as big cheekbones and small eyes that are best exemplified by Mongols and are shared among all east Asians. Chinese people for example, are Y-haplo O, and they are very distant from Mongols (C) genetically. However, they are both mongoloid by appearance. Therefore, whoever is the ancestor of Mongoloid people, there's gotta be more than one person. C (Mongols, Samoans) and D (Tibetans, Native Japanese Ainu - D's closest brother group is E which is North African Hamitic - Ainu are known as Asians that lack mongoloid features for they followed warm southern coastline and didn't have to adapt to cold climate as much) people came to east Asia first, but O, a newly formed group came later and dominated fertile mainlands. C and D were pushed to remote parts as a result. Most east Asians now are Y-haplo O. Mongoloid features are known to be adaptations to Ice age conditions, but there are debates as to whether it's true or not. Some people that adapted to cold climate are not mongoloid (e.g. Vikings) and other people that didn't adapt to cold climate are mongoloid (San people of South Africa, southeast Asians, etc.). So not all questions are resolved. There are some debates as to whether a big nose or small nose is better in cold climate for example. Some say small is better for it reduces surface area thus preserves heat and prevents frostbite, others say big is better for it heats up air before entering body. But one thing is for certain, and that is environment plays as big of a role in shaping peoples' looks as genetics. People that look different can have close genes, and people that look similar can have distant genes. There are others who say Y-haplo A people (most ancient people, that gave birth to all other people - some of their genes survive to this day without mutating into some other haplogroup) can be Caucasoid, Mongoloid, or Negroid. Therefore, these differences in looks existed from very early on, via random mutation that gave rise to different looks, but as people spread out, those with certain traits flourished more in certain regions, for their traits fitted the environment better, becoming the dominant traits of people in those regions. Those of you who are not against discussing the Bible, please share your views. Please note, this is an extra-scientific discussion, and hence, is in the Members’ Corner. I do not encourage pilferage of the discussion here in the main thread entitled “Russian involvement in Syrian crisis.” Possibly interested persons: @roma, @A chauhan, @rock127, @rockey 71, @Akim, @gadeshi, @Cadian, @Gabriel92, @Rashna, @blue marlin, @jouni, et al..