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@HariPrasad-1 let us not get ourselves lost into the abyss of nuclear weapons.

We do not want China to be our role model.

China got to current position not due to nukes but due to the position it carved in international trade.

India has to go a long way in developing its industry.

Our focus has to be clear and on the target.

China is only an aberration. Let us not give it undue attention.
 

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Diplomacy will not let the time of using the force to come. We are not forced into a position where we have to use force and that is diplomacy. We rescued our citizens from each and crissis. Even from ISIS. These were the success of our intelligence and Diplomacy. Even US could not do that. I hail that though the people like you may undermine it.
hariprasad, first of all 'hari-om'. modi diplomacy is ok with rest of world but not with pakis and chinise. since chinise support pakis, modi need to make a open progrom to support uighurs, just tell world like chiniese are destroying basic human rights in uighur and tibet. just make noise, chinise will come like a thief, very slowly and meek, and india then can say stop support to porkis. first make chinise behave, pakis will be alone. diplomacy is carrying a big stick and beating the dog from time to time. the dog is china, and use chinise to beat porkis and make bbq pork ribs. modi is fail with chinese diplomacy sorry.
 

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@HariPrasad-1 let us not get ourselves lost into the abyss of nuclear weapons.

We do not want China to be our role model.

China got to current position not due to nukes but due to the position it carved in international trade.

India has to go a long way in developing its industry.

Our focus has to be clear and on the target.

China is only an aberration. Let us not give it undue attention.
trade is good when no problem. china was stable with 1 party commuist, no rule, only dictatorship and they did trade and earn money. india is unstable --paki terrorists come and kill, maoitss, terrorists in northeast, communist media and socialism. not good. do danda to chinese and make fall in line, then use chinise danda to make pork vindaloo of pakis. in meantime, finish maoists and ne terrorists. stable india, good iindia, 1000 time better for trade.
 

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The drought today in India is caused by the diversion of Brahmaputra waters in Tibet. Theft by China. Ladakh was a distraction.
How would having less defense help in the future when all the water is stolen from Tibet? Just one example.


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the draught is not a new phenomenon in India. It has happened earlier and happens seasonwise. The one basic reason in Himalaya the snow has not yet melted and so the quantity of water is low in rivers. This is the reason for the drought in northern region. But past one week the temp has increased hence snow will melt and things will be back to normal.

In peninsular area well the pre monsoon rains have not yet arrived.


other thing which is possible is climatic warfare. Spraying of chemicals in ozone above Indian airspace might cause delay in rain. World powers are jealous of Indian fertile land. Since ages they have been trying to destroy India's climate and geography because they don't have similar. Hence they can go to any extend to cause trouble to India's climate!
 

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@HariPrasad-1 Buddy, defense and security is needed for technical and socio economic development. We are doing nice in both.
Sooner or later, economic conditions too will be be nice. You know, if 13th Five Years plan goes on schedule, India will be a second world country in terms of development by 22.
 

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hariprasad, first of all 'hari-om'. modi diplomacy is ok with rest of world but not with pakis and chinise. since chinise support pakis, modi need to make a open progrom to support uighurs, just tell world like chiniese are destroying basic human rights in uighur and tibet. just make noise, chinise will come like a thief, very slowly and meek, and india then can say stop support to porkis. first make chinise behave, pakis will be alone. diplomacy is carrying a big stick and beating the dog from time to time. the dog is china, and use chinise to beat porkis and make bbq pork ribs. modi is fail with chinese diplomacy sorry.
I think that he made Humble bigining by being good and watched the response. I am not ready believe that he is not working on a long term plan to divide Pakistan. Swamy had tod media that he is working on a long term plan to divide Pakistan and we should give him big hand.

So far as china is concern, he has bring them on back foot. Look at our response on border incursion and encircling the china. He has given china a dosage of his diplomacy. China is annoyed. You will have to exercise the diplomacy within the limitations set by your comprehensive national power. He is doing that.
 

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@HariPrasad-1 Buddy, defense and security is needed for technical and socio economic development. We are doing nice in both.
Sooner or later, economic conditions too will be be nice. You know, if 13th Five Years plan goes on schedule, India will be a second world country in terms of development by 22.
I agree with that.However I say that a strong diplomacy can protect many national interest area very cost effectively. look at the diplomacy we played in Afghanistan with a fraction of cost we incurred compared to US.
 

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I agree with that.However I say that a strong diplomacy can protect many national interest area very cost effectively. look at the diplomacy we played in Afghanistan with a fraction of cost we incurred compared to US.
Defense is still needed buddy. Do nice diplomacy, boom economy and keep up to date military capabilities to put more and more eggs in your basket. :)
 

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Swamy had tod media that he is working on a long term plan to divide Pakistan and we should give him big hand.
This thing I like post.
Swamy will give one statement and pakis will get senseless days and sleepless nights for months. Watch at their media. :biggrin2:
 

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I think that he made Humble bigining by being good and watched the response. I am not ready believe that he is not working on a long term plan to divide Pakistan. Swamy had tod media that he is working on a long term plan to divide Pakistan and we should give him big hand.

So far as china is concern, he has bring them on back foot. Look at our response on border incursion and encircling the china. He has given china a dosage of his diplomacy. China is annoyed. You will have to exercise the diplomacy within the limitations set by your comprehensive national power. He is doing that.
humble is for civilized countries. porkis and chiniese are uncivilized. chinese need a big danda. baloch leader given visa to come to india, pak meet hurriyat, both do danda to each other, no solution comes. to solve paki problem, do danda to chinese, wen chin see threat inside their terriroty, they leave porks alone. porks alone means indian army walk over and take back pok. chinese is main problem, chinese fixed, porkis automatically fixed. in meantime work with US, get best technology in defence, and build solid army/navy/airforce.
 

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@HariPrasad-1 let us not get ourselves lost into the abyss of nuclear weapons.

We do not want China to be our role model.

China got to current position not due to nukes but due to the position it carved in international trade.

India has to go a long way in developing its industry.

Our focus has to be clear and on the target.

China is only an aberration. Let us not give it undue attention.
I am not giving at all nor I am talking about chines national interest. I am simply advocating more robust diplomacy and proper intelligence to protect our national interest more cost effectively. Look at the role of RAW in Indo pak war 1971 in separating Pakistan.
 

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humble is for civilized countries. porkis and chiniese are uncivilized. chinese need a big danda. baloch leader given visa to come to india, pak meet hurriyat, both do danda to each other, no solution comes. to solve paki problem, do danda to chinese, wen chin see threat inside their terriroty, they leave porks alone. porks alone means indian army walk over and take back pok. chinese is main problem, chinese fixed, porkis automatically fixed. in meantime work with US, get best technology in defence, and build solid army/navy/airforce.
I agree but what is DANDA ? If we are able to keep them destabilize and for a long time and able to curtail them economically for a long time and defame them internationally and keep them high in the list of failed nation than there can not be a bigger danda than this. We are doing exactly the same. Porkis are the most hated and unwanted people on this earth. We have manged their position like this and this is done with the combo of intelligence and diplomacy. We could not have harmed them more by by going to war with them.
 
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Diplomacy will not let the time of using the force to come. We are not forced into a position where we have to use force and that is diplomacy. We rescued our citizens from each and crissis. Even from ISIS. These were the success of our intelligence and Diplomacy. Even US could not do that. I hail that though the people like you may undermine it.
There are times where force was necessary to preserve territorial integrity and is still needed. The crisis you mention is far from India. There are crisis that directly impact India where force and diplomacy both failed
Like pok. Two nuclear powers have bombs aimed at India and India in that regard India has also failed diplomatically. India tries diplomacy first and force later if at all ,this policy is a failure. Try force first and diplomacy with leverage and the world will respect you instead having a soft power pushover image. Indian diplomatic failures have caused one existential crisis after another.


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Defense is still needed buddy. Do nice diplomacy, boom economy and keep up to date military capabilities to put more and more eggs in your basket. :)
I did not say that it is not needed but What army can do with might, Intelligence can do that in much more sophisticated way by intelligence and diplomacy. Look at the indo pak war of 1971. It is the RAW and diplomacy of Indiara which make it happen. The credit to army goes last. RAW created Mukti bahini and stared guerrilla war with Pak Army. RAW chief R N Kao make the plan to divide Pakistan. Indira's diplomacy stoped US to intervene and help Pakistan.

I say that there are more sophisticated ways to achieve the goals and they should be exercised first. You may achieve the objective with minimum of cost.
 

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I agree but what is DANDA ? If we are able to keep them destabilize and for a long time and able to curtail them economically for a long time and defame them internationally and keep them high in the list of failed nation than there can not be a bigger danda than this. We are doing exactly the same. Porkis are the most hated and unwanted people on this earth. We have manged their position like this and this is done with the combo of intelligence and diplomacy. We could not have harmed them more by by going to war with them.
I agree but what is DANDA ? If we are able to keep them destabilize and for a long time and able to curtail them economically for a long time and defame them internationally and keep them high in the list of failed nation than there can not be a bigger danda than this. We are doing exactly the same. Porkis are the most hated and unwanted people on this earth. We have manged their position like this and this is done with the combo of intelligence and diplomacy. We could not have harmed them more by by going to war with them.
hari-om. my friend, if US leaves pakis then china fill the gap, building gwadar and all. pakis are mercenary force for other countries to pay money and use. chinese use pakis just for that. do you know not many time ago northeast terrorist usng arms were chinise made like pistol, greanade etc. but china changed policy or india would show proof to world, china then start backing porkis to create terrorism in india. if we keep porkis destablished for long, nothing will happen, pakhanaland is failed state now and lives by beggin, but porki army do business and make billions. so keeping destable is not answer, cancerous tumor have to do surgery. do diplomacy with us and europe and middleeast countries, aggressive counter diplomacy with chinise like giving visa to uighur, tibetans from tibet. once in a while, announce that chinise kiiling uighur and tibetans by people like swamy. china get message, and behave.
 

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These are times where force was necessary to preserve territorial integrity and is still needed. The crisis you mention is far from India. There are crisis that directly impact India where force and diplomacy both failed
Like pok. Two nuclear powers have bombs aimed at India and India in that regard India has also failed diplomatically. India tries diplomacy first and force later if at all ,this policy is a failure. Try force first and diplomacy with leverage and the world will respect you instead having a soft power pushover image. Indian diplomatic failures have caused one existential crisis after another.


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your post is too vague to be answered.
 

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I did not say that it is not needed but What army can do with might, Intelligence can do that in much more sophisticated way by intelligence and diplomacy. Look at the indo pak war of 1971. It is the RAW and diplomacy of Indiara which make it happen. The credit to army goes last. RAW created Mukti bahini and stared guerrilla war with Pak Army. RAW chief R N Kao make the plan to divide Pakistan. Indira's diplomacy stoped US to intervene and help Pakistan.

I say that there are more sophisticated ways to achieve the goals and they should be exercised first. You may achieve the objective with minimum of cost.
this i agree. use RAW to use porki terorists to do bomb blast inside pakhanaland, all places, balochistan, laWhore, rawalpindi, all places. 1 attack in india, do 5 in porkistan. but china need to be fixed. make porkis alone.
 

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hari-om. my friend, if US leaves pakis then china fill the gap, building gwadar and all. pakis are mercenary force for other countries to pay money and use. chinese use pakis just for that. do you know not many time ago northeast terrorist usng arms were chinise made like pistol, greanade etc. but china changed policy or india would show proof to world, china then start backing porkis to create terrorism in india. if we keep porkis destablished for long, nothing will happen, pakhanaland is failed state now and lives by beggin, but porki army do business and make billions. so keeping destable is not answer, cancerous tumor have to do surgery. do diplomacy with us and europe and middleeast countries, aggressive counter diplomacy with chinise like giving visa to uighur, tibetans from tibet. once in a while, announce that chinise kiiling uighur and tibetans by people like swamy. china get message, and behave.
Se whatever you may say but we have devised a great trap for them and they have got trapped into that. You see the evil in Pakistan are those rich Punjabi generals who do this to keep themselves rich and happy. And exactly, giving uighur visa may be a tit for tat diplomacy. We can not go to war with them but we must do something which pinch and irritate them. And that should be our response and I exactly advocate that. We must explore the ways and their mentality and their weaknesses so that it will be handy to irritate them when ever we want.
 
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your post is too vague to be answered.
What part is vague ? I gave examples

First example of diplomatic and military failure - pok

Second example of diplomatic/political failure - India's current situation threats of nuclear attacks from two countries




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this i agree. use RAW to use porki terorists to do bomb blast inside pakhanaland, all places, balochistan, laWhore, rawalpindi, all places. 1 attack in india, do 5 in porkistan. but china need to be fixed. make porkis alone.
Modi tried to do that. remember his china visit. He said that what hurts us hurts you as well. See if one policy does not work , he will switch to next.
 

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