Does India Harbour Territorial Ambitions Towards Pakistan or Not?

[dastan]

still one thing remains that is kicking out millions of bangaladeshi and pakis living in india back to their countries.

I don't think if that's even possible now, people have been saying we'll do this and that for ages now, but no concrete steps taken yet even the new govt

 

[salute]

I don't think if that's even possible now, people have been saying we'll do this and that for ages now, but no concrete steps taken yet even the new govt

yeah now its not just democracy but bazaar of democracy where corrupt politicians like khangressi will create havoc for that.

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

Pakistanis claim India is an external threat to Pakistan. But why? Do Pakistanis feel that India has never been reconciled to Partition and the creation of Pakistan and seeks to reunify Pakistan with India by force? Not so! says Air Vice-Marshal (Ret'd) Abid Rao of the Pakistan Air Force. He maintains that even if Pakistan were to ask India to reincorporate Pakistan into India, the Indians would refuse. If this is true, why is India used as a bogey man in Pakistan? For what purpose is this done?

No, we just want Pakistan occupied Kashmir back and nothing else. Partition was a good riddance for us.

 

[Redhawk]

No, we just want Pakistan occupied Kashmir back and nothing else. Partition was a good riddance for us.

That is the prevalent attitude of most Indians, and it is hard not to agree with them. India just doesn't need the problems Pakistan has got.

 

[rock127]

Hypothetical :

There is a greater chances of pakistan having territorial issues in their western border than on their eastern border. It is just a matter of Iran and Afghanistan settling down. Iran with its negotiations with Americans and Afghanistan settling down on their internal issues.

If this isis threat continues unchecked, pakistan is likely to react by giving first presence to protect Sunni dominated areas of Pakistan.
Iran's hand will be forced to protect the Shia dominated Baloch.

As far as afghans are concerned, dispute over Durand line is yet to start. Dispute will not be about the region per say but about the control over poppy production in the area. This is far fetched ofcourse, afghans have to settle down first, of which there are no hints yet.

India need not even get involved in both the stated scenarios, both the scenarios are on cards it is a matter of when.

Afgans never recognize the Durand Line and when they get back their power would love to settle scores with Pakis since they know Pakis pushed Afganistan towards extremism and treated them like slave.

Pakistan is much more responsible for the chaos in AFG than US.I know Afgans living in India who really hate Pakis.

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

That is the prevalent attitude of most Indians, and it is hard not to agree with them. India just doesn't need the problems Pakistan has got.

No problem with it. As I told you Pakistanis believe in two nation theory and see themselves as antithesis of India and opposing India given a sense of an identity. The region has no democratic values, its an extremism hotbed and carry with the historical baggage of having border with Afghanistan(every Invader from ancient Persians to Mughals invaded India to great game to War on Terror, the land was never at peace). Partition helped us to create a strong and stable India and let our leaders took many revolutionary decisions which their incompetent Muslim League wouldn't have let us to.

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

Afgans never recognize the Durand Line and when they get back their power would love to settle scores with Pakis since they know Pakis pushed Afganistan towards extremism and treated them like slave.

Pakistan is much more responsible for the chaos in AFG than US.I know Afgans living in India who really hate Pakis.

In 1955, the angry Afghans stormed the Pakistani embassy when Pakistani government dissolved NWFP province to create West Pakistan province to keep it par with East Pakistan(East Bengal).

 

[Redhawk]

Air Marshal (Ret'd) Asghar Khan of the PAF

I love this guy! He speaks so much sense.

 

[Ray]

India has enough of problems at home and would hardly be inclined to annexe a congenital chaos and mayhem called Pakistan.

Bengalis of East Pakistan realised it early that Pakistan is a failed state and they quit.

If they, who had commonality in religion, quit and got sensible, it would be real asinine for India to have any part of Pakistan merged with it, let alone the whole of Pakistan.

 

[Redhawk]

Even for me, as someone from the outside looking in, it is easy to see that India is made a bogeyman by the Pakistani military. They need an external threat to justify military spending while the rest of the country goes down the drain. They are spending billions on arms and military hardware while the rest of the country is impoverished. The Pakistani military elite must be creaming off millions and millions from the Pakistani military budget and enriching themselves with the money the U.S. has sent as aid. Follow the money, always follow the money!

 

[dastan]

Even for me, as someone from the outside looking in, it is easy to see that India is made a bogeyman by the Pakistani military. They need an external threat to justify military spending while the rest of the country goes down the drain. They are spending billions on arms and military hardware while the rest of the country is impoverished. The Pakistani military elite must be creaming off millions and millions from the Pakistani military budget and enriching themselves with the money the U.S. has sent as aid. Follow the money, always follow the money!

They've been spoon fed lies and kept in dark so that the hatred never fades away and the military establishment can capitalise on it. Just take the instance of recent ceasefire violations - jawans from both sides were martyred but their narrative is that Indians called for flag meeting and when the Rangers came, they were shot dead! I mean wtf? Sad thing though is that people there buy such theories eyes closed.
Whereas our narrative was simply that - unprovoked firing from other side were retaliated upon!

 

[Redhawk]

Some older videos, but still interesting.

U.S. author on why so much U.S. foreign aid has been funnelled into Pakistan. Calls Pakistanis "scum-sucking liars".


The Americans can't claim ignorance: "Pakistanis are Pathological Liars".


Longer version of same video:

 

[ezsasa]

Even for me, as someone from the outside looking in, it is easy to see that India is made a bogeyman by the Pakistani military. They need an external threat to justify military spending while the rest of the country goes down the drain. They are spending billions on arms and military hardware while the rest of the country is impoverished. The Pakistani military elite must be creaming off millions and millions from the Pakistani military budget and enriching themselves with the money the U.S. has sent as aid. Follow the money, always follow the money!

It is not just that their army is funded by the defence budget. There is a whole commercial organisational structure in place with their army. Ordinary people in Pakistan prefer army run schools, businesses and real estate to the regular ones. This is one of the least discussed aspects now a days. This additional income gives them the advantage of off the books budget. This trend started in the late eighties.

 

[hit&run]

Partition helped us to create a strong and stable India and let our leaders took many revolutionary decisions which their incompetent Muslim League wouldn't have let us to.

Good Point.

 

[Virendra]

Partition can truly be called good riddance if we had got rid of unwanted ideologies as well (along with the sacrifice of land & people).But that didn't happen and even today it continues to erode what we had started with in 1947.
Even if India were not to be a Hindu country; it would still be good riddance if people of all creeds we treated same without any sickularism, bias or appeasement.
Clearly that is not the case.
So basically we cut out a part of our belongings and insulted our own injury by not eradicating in the process what was ailing us in the first place.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

You say partition was good riddance because it got rid of Muslim-majority Pakistan. But Kashmir is also Muslim-majority, so would you give it to Pakistan and say good riddance?

you are nuts, I have never mentioned Muslim majority anywhere but still Pakistan was a good riddance because Muslim League was the party useless jahil leaders who did a great deal of work in making Pakistan a failed state. Moreover, when we have 160 million Muslims in India, what's wrong in keeping Kashmir with us, how come Muslim majority comes into the play.

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

Good Point.

Entire Leadership of Jinnah's League were jahil and gawar. Even Jinnah himself never knew what kind of Pakistan he wanted going around to give conflicting statement. The Islamist and Liberals in Pakistan go on fighting all day by selectively choosing his number of speeches if Jinnah wanted an Islamic state or a Secular state and whole nation is confused. Their first constituent assembly was the grand failure and failed to write constitution because everyone was most concerned about clipping the majoritarian dominance of Bengali and the first general election too 24 years and caused the civil war in Pakistan.

 

[anoop_mig25]

Well Indian may not have

But I am sure in future there would central gov on lines of AAP with likes of shanti bhushan self apponted soory waadi peoples
who would not only conducted refernedum in J&K but extend that option to North East India

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

That was the basis of partition - that Muslim majority would be Pakistan and the rest would be India. It is called two-nation theory. The Muslim league demanded Pakistan on that basis - that they didn't want to live under 'Hindu' rule and as Muslims they needed a separate nation. So Pakistan was born. The same logic would therefore apply to Kashmir, unless of course you don't subscribe to the two-nation theory. In which case, your 'good riddance' comment makes little sense....

That was only applicable to provinces that voted for Muslim League, not extended to princely states. Again, nothing wrong in adding few millions Kashmiri Muslims to Indian Muslim population of 160 million. Talking about Muslim majority provinces and excluding 100s of millions of Muslims in other provinces itself shows bigotry of Muslim League and its successor Pakistan government. Now, you can cry me a river. Creation of Pakistan was good for us because Muslim League was the party of jahil/gawar leaders, even Jinnah himself confused what kind of Pakistan he wanted.

 

[Redhawk]

Pakistanis claim India is an external threat to Pakistan. But why? Do Pakistanis feel that India has never been reconciled to Partition and the creation of Pakistan and seeks to reunify Pakistan with India by force? Not so! says Air Vice-Marshal (Ret'd) Abid Rao of the Pakistan Air Force. He maintains that even if Pakistan were to ask India to reincorporate Pakistan into India, the Indians would refuse. If this is true, why is India used as a bogey man in Pakistan? For what purpose is this done?

In this interview I really don't like the way the show's arrogant presenter, the young woman, cuts off Abid Rao whose statement that Pakistan's 65-year-old strategy of making India a bogeyman, in which he openly admits that the 3 Indo-Pak Wars were initiated by Pakistan, has been "faulty". This silly young woman dismisses Abid Rao's position as a "very apologetic" stance and that the "fact" that Pakistan is "strong" points up the "fact" that "the external threats are very real" and Pakistanis need to "continue strengthening our arms." She treats Abid Rao, a senior Pakistan Air Force officer, an air vice-marshal no less, who served over 35 years in the PAF, as if he doesn't know what he's talking about. What AVM (Ret'd) Rao and others like him have said is that Pakistan has no real external threats: Pakistan's main threats are all internal.