Do you guys think philosophers are smart?

[W.G.Ewald]

As Horowitz demonstrates, a degree in philosophy can be useful for professions beyond a career in academia. Degrees like his can help in the business world, where a philosophy background can pave the way for real change. After earning his PhD in philosophy from Stanford, where he studied computer science as an undergraduate, Horowitz went on to become a successful tech entrepreneur and Google's in-house philosopher/director of engineering. His own career makes a pretty good case for the value of a philosophy education

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The Unexpected Way Philosophy Majors Are Changing The World Of Business

 

[Bangalorean]

sir, you can't learn a subject by single day and read my post clearly you will just know whole situation of conversation by just two sentences
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you were saying philosophy as waste of time I have you example of einstein and mahatma gandhiji

I don't know if Gandhi and Einstein were "students of philosophy".

My question was simple: tell me some of the stuff that is taught in a philosophy course. I said very clearly, just give me the subject names - even that would be sufficient for a start. And you are constantly dodging it and saying that "you can't learn in a single day".

Understand: I am not asking you to "teach me philosophy". Just tell me what they teach in college, what is the practical value if any, and what are the career options if any.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

I don't know if Gandhi and Einstein were "students of philosophy".

My question was simple: tell me some of the stuff that is taught in a philosophy course. I said very clearly, just give me the subject names - even that would be sufficient for a start. And you are constantly dodging it and saying that "you can't learn in a single day".

Understand: I am not asking you to "teach me philosophy". Just tell me what they teach in college, what is the practical value if any, and what are the career options if any.

I am not student of philosophy but read some philosophers , I am student of literature, criticism, linguistic, phonetics, political science and history
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I don't know its subject and all that but can understand philosophy very well because of study of religious, ancient greek and roman as as well as modern philosophy
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and practice value is its simplify the life as well as we can have some of einsteins and philosophy gives you an new approach towards problems

 

[rock127]

Why image embedding not working here???

I can see it works in other threads.

I would like to educate some people.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@Mad Indian
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@bangolorean
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read thishttp://www.phil.ufl.edu/ugrad/whatis/useof.html

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@W.G.Ewald sir
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some of members doesn't go deeply in a subject and instead comment what they thing
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besides in indian universities the philosophers that are studied are
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socrates
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pluto
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aristotle
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focoult
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derrida
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nitzsche
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mikhail bakhtin
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rolande barthe
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niom chosky
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many feminist like shawalter
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immanuel cant
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and many more
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though it is not in syllables for graduation , I have studied them at some extent

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@W.G.Ewald sir
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some of members doesn't go deeply in a subject and instead comment what they thing
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besides in indian universities the philosophers that are studied are
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socrates
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pluto
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aristotle
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focoult
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derrida
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nitzsche
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mikhail bakhtin
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rolande barthe
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niom chosky
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many feminist like shawalter
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immanuel cant
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rene descartes
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american new criticism
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structuralism and post structuralism, russian formalism ,
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levi -straus
.and many more
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though it is not in syllables for graduation , I have studied them at some extent

 

[jackprince]

I think the bulk of the philosophy students turn out to be useless waste of air, when some exceptions do make a mark in the society.

However, if the thread starter is a prime example of a philosophy student, I must review my opinion from 'bulk' to 'most'.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Subjects like theology, political science, public administration ,literature etc are vulnerable without philosophy
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but simply as noble price winner writes BERNARD SHAW has wrote that " A FOOL DIGEST PHILOSOPHY INTO FOLLY , SCIENCE INTO SUPERSTITION, AND ARTS INTO PEDANTRY

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Philosophy — What's the Use? - NYTimes.com

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Post #29
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It seems odd to me that Siddhārtha Gautama is not on that list. Is it because Buddhism is considered religion, separately from philosophy per se?

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

I think the bulk of the philosophy students turn out to be useless waste of air, when some exceptions do make a mark in the society.

However, if the thread starter is a prime example of a philosophy student, I must review my opinion from 'bulk' to 'most'.

true , he should know the right place to start this thread

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

^^

It seems odd to me that Siddhārtha Gautama is not on that list. Is it because Buddhism is considered religion, separately from philosophy per se?

he must be but I am not a university student and I an a college student , I told philosopher who are related to my subject like criticism, literature ,political science, linguistic. Etc
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I forgot some like saussure (linguist ), roseau, j.s.mills, lasky, austin etc(political science)
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and the one you quoted must be in theology

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Post #29
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It seems odd to me that Siddhārtha Gautama is not on that list. Is it because Buddhism is considered religion, separately from philosophy per se?

sir
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sidharta gautama and other saint are philosophical but they are studied in THEOLOGY
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there are many like sidharta gautama like mahavir jain, ramkrushna parmhans(guru of swami vivekanand) saint namdev , saint tukaram, mahatma gandhi,
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though I feel bad there is not a chinese philosopher named confusious, I have read about him and he and sidharta gautama was of same time

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

theology is branch where religion , its policy toward state, its culture, its philosophy, its view towards good etc are studied

 

[rock127]

Philosophy coupled with reason and rational thought can be pretty powerful.

I am not sure if much people know but there is a very interesting subject called "Logic" in the study of Philosophy which is as a fact a branch of Maths.

A LOT of people think Philosophy is just a set of statements of people how they perceive and define things but its much more than that and it involves Maths.

These are main Branches of Philosophy :-

• Metaphysics, which deals with the fundamental questions of reality.
• Epistemology, which deals with our concept of knowledge, how we learn and what we can know.
• Logic, which studies the rules of valid reasoning and argumentation
• Ethics, or moral philosophy, which is concerned with human values and how individuals should act.
• Aesthetics or esthetics, which deals with the notion of beauty and the philosophy of art.

There is a sub branch in Logic known as Symbolic Logic which can twist minds while doing brain twisting calculations in long tables and can be quite tough like Maths.A lot of so called intelligent guys here can fail doing these calculations.

http://www.chem.uoa.gr/applets/appletgates/Images/Image1.gif

http://www.brian-borowski.com/Software/Truth/Truth Table 1.gif

Also this Logic used in Truth tables is also used in Digital Electronics(AND,NAND,OR,XOR etc Gates)

Digital Electronics: Gates, Decoders, Multiplexers

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

Philosophy coupled with reason and rational thought can be pretty powerful.

When is philosophy not "coupled with reason and rational thought"? Because if it isn't rational, it's not philosophy.

 

[Bhadra]

many here talking about philosophy as waste of time let me ask them
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do you know derrida?
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do you know foucoult?
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do you know roland barthe
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do you know nitzsche ?
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and yet you are commenting on philosophy !!!!!
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by the way philosophy tries to make life simple
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many can't understand it and takes wrong meaning of philosophy simply those are fools

You want the forum members to jump off twenty story building by reading all these ??

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

Philosophy does not intend to make our lives simple. It's not a self help tool but rather a rigorous academic discipline.

 

[Bhadra]

Who are the philosophers who are read when one studies philosophy in an Indian university?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...qb2MUL81oixluY51cFz_5kg&bvm=bv.66330100,d.c2E

@W.G. Ewald
Do not get scared !!


University of Delhi
Course: B.A. (Hons.) Philosophy

Semester I
Paper 1.1- Traditional Logic (Sec.A)
- Informal Fallacies (Sec.B)
Paper 1.2 – Elements of Indian Philosophy-I
Topics : 1,3,4,5,6,7
Paper 1.3 - Concurrent – Qualifying Language

Semester II
Paper 2.1- Truth Functional Logic (Sec.A)
Quantification Theory (Sec.B)
Paper 2.2 – Elements of Indian Philosophy-II
Topics : 2,8,9,10
Paper 2.3 - Concurrent – Credit Language

Semester III
Paper 3.1- History of Western Philosophy-I
(Descartes, Spinoza, Leibnitz, Locke)
#Paper 3.2- Option A - Social and Political Philosophy-I
(John Rawls, Equality & Rights) &

Option B – Greek Philosophy-I
Paper 3.3 - Concurrent – Interdisciplinary

Semester IV
Paper 4.1- History of Western Philosophy-II
(Berkley, Hume and Kant)
#Paper 4.2- Option A: Social and Political Philosophy-II
(Topics: 1,2,3,4,5)
Option B : Greek Philosophy-II
Paper 4.3- Ethics-I
Paper 4.4 - Concurrent – Discipline Centered I

Semester V
Paper 5.1- Text of Indian Philosophy-I
Madhyamakakarika of Nagarjuna
#Paper 5.2- Option A: Philosophy of Religion-I (Topics:
1,2,3,4,5,6,7&8)
Option B: Philosophy of Logic-I (Chapter 1 to 14)
Option C : Philosophy of Language-I
(J.L. Austin & John Searle)
Option D: Philosophy of Science-I (Topic 1 to 5)
#Paper 5.3- Option A: Contemporary Philosophy-I
Option B: Aesthetics-I
Option C: Later Greek Philosophy-I
(Aristotle's Metaphysics)
Paper 5.4- Ethics-II

Semester VI
Paper 6.1- Text of Indian Philosophy-II
Vendantaparibhasa of Dharmaraja Adhvarin
#Paper 6.2- Option A: Philosophy of Religion-II (Topics 1 to
6)


One of the sample Paper : Syllabus

Paper : 5.4 Ethics - II
Section A:
1. Value of life: Suicide and Euthansia
2. Capital punishment; Theories of punishment
3. Expression of dissent: Terrorism
4. Moral attitude to the environmental and animals
Option B: Philosophy of Science-II (Topic 1 to 4)
Option C : Philosophy of Language-II (Ludwig Wittgenstein)
Option D : Philosophy of Logic-II (Chapters 5 to 8)
#Paper 6.3 – Option A : Contemporary Philosophy-II
Option B : Aesthetics-II
Option C: Later Greek Philosophy-II
(Hellenistic)
Paper 6.4 - Concurrent – Discipline Centered II
# For all optional papers, Paper-I of the said optional is prerequisite for opting
Paper-II of that option.
5. Equality, discrimination and preferential treatment
Section B:
1. Bhagvadgita: Niskamakarma
2. Purusarthas: Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksa
3. Yamas(five Principles of Morality)
4. Mahatma Gandhi's conception of Ahimsa (non-violence), Satyagraha
(Zest for Truth) and means-ends relationship.
5. Confucius's conception of the Doctrine of the Mean
6. Al Ghazali's theory of virtues
Recommended Reading:
William Frankena: Ethics. 2nd Edition Prentice Hall of India, New Delhi
J.L. Mackie: ETHICS: INVENTING RIGHT AND WRONG, New York:
Penguin. 1977 (Introductory Reading)
Peter Singer: PRACTICAL ETHICS. Second edition. Cambridge :
Cambridge University Press, 1993
Peter Singer: (ed) A COMPARISON TO ETHICS. Oxford: Basil
Blackwell, 1993
REFERENCE BOOKS:
Bernard Williams: MORALITY: AN INTRODUCTION TO ETHICS:
Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 1993
P. Taylor: RESPECT FOR NATURE. Princeton: Princeton University
Press, 1986
J. Richales: The END OF LIFE: EUTANSIA AND MORALITY, Oxford:
Oxford University Press, 1987
P. Jaini: THE JAINA PATH OF PURIFICATION. Berkeley: University of
California Press, 1979
T. Nagel: MORTAL QUESTIONS. Cambridge: Cambridge University
Press, 1979
Bernard Williams: MORAL LUCK, Cambridge: Cambridge University
Press, 1981
J.S. Fishin: JUSTICE, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, AND THE FAMILY.
New Haven: Yale University Press, 1983
R.A. Duff: TRIALS AND PUNISHMENTS: Cambridge: Cambridge
University Press, 1986
BHAGAVADGITA. (For Niskamakarma)
Raghvan Aiyar: MORAL AND POLITICAL THOUGHT OF MAHATMA
GANDHI.(For Gandhi's Conception of Ahimsa, Satyagraha and Meansends
Relationship)
Patanjali's Yogasutra: (For Five Yamas)

Mahendra Kumar: "Towards a Reconstruction of the Concept of Nonviolence"
in his VIOLENCE AND NON-VIOLENCE IN
INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS. Thomson Press, New Delhi, 1975
V.P. Verma: NITI SASTRA KE MOOL SIDDHANTA, Allied Publishers,
New Delhi.