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Sigh. I already had a detailed conversation on this with @Bangalorean on why it is needed.How come you concluded that I am playing victim-hood?
Let me give you an example. I come from a poor Brahman family, and same is case with other families in my village. But, my Dad with sheer hard work , and intelligence , not only supported his family from very young age , but also gave up his pleasures to get into civil service. Their were others , who didn't cared for such work and they are now paying for that same mistake.
You see , it is not only the "education and economic status" , which you think higher caste are born in , but also the hard work they do that put up them in those higher place.
P.S: I support reservation , but primary beneficiaries among SC/ST need to be rationalized , else real ones are getting sidelined.
Anyway I will ask you this, is there any discrimination in colleges/jobs on the basis of economic inequality as there is on the basis of castes? That is, are the rich professors discriminating against poor students vs the rich students. If not reservation on basis of economics is meaningless.
Reservation is not meant to be for "economic mobility " but rather "social mobility" . both are not the same. Tamil nadu is the most socially mobile state in India and precisely why you will see SCs being the biggest castists here. This is what I am talking about. Every caste group should be equally represented in the govt(medical eng MBA govt colleges are all part of it, so are the bureaucracy and the govt jobs in govt banks). If not, one caste group will dominate the other and it will be shit for every other group involved.
Do you honestly think if the reservation is based on economic, it will be representative of the people? It will only result in upper caste domination in all the jobs and it will be disastrous for everyone else.
upper castes have nothing to gain(at least directly) by creamy layer in SCs/dalits/OBC and still ask for it. Why? I mean the supposed biggest beneficiaries of the creamy layer- SC is actually against it. Why?P.S: I support reservation , but primary beneficiaries among SC/ST need to be rationalized , else real ones are getting sidelined.
Because it is precisely what I was talking about and is exactly antithetical to the original idea of reservation social mobility. A person having job as a post office is not the same level of social mobility as the person having a job as a district collector. So if your idea of "proper implementation" is implemented, SCs will get their reservations, use it to become a postman and die and his son will forfeit the quota and would compete in general quota. Meanwhile, an upper caste student, whose father is already a district collector will compete with him on general quota. Are you going to claim with a straight face that both are at equal level of advantage?
A poor dalits' son should be given reservation for making him a post man, post man's son should be given a reservation for making him a IAS collector. Collector's son should be given reservation for making him a Secretary , and secretary's son should be given a reservation for making him a chief secretary . this is social mobility and this is important for distribution of power equally among all castes. If we adopt your version of reservation, then the poor dalits would become post man over and over again and none will make it to the top of the power structure
This is what upper castes want when they talk about creamy layer or economic reservations. And how is that fair.
Upper castes imprisoned a group of people and locked them out of education and access to work and good lively conditions for several centuries and expect them to be on the same playing field as them just after a few decades of reservation and that too a half baked one? Who do they think they are fooling?
PS: Dont think I am saying you are a castist. i am just stating what I observed in general regarding the Anti- Reservation propagandists.
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