Did the Buddha Break Away from Hinduism?

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So what?

Hindus don't hate Buddha nor Buddhism. While Jews hate Jesus and Chrisitianity. A hindu can be buddhist and other way around without much problem. Try to do it in case of Abhramic religions.
Hatred for other ideology/ ideological deviation is absolutely irrelevant in a discussion about whether two religions can be considered separate or just one..hatred or otherwise is relevant if we were comparing tolerance or concepts of abrahamic religions vs dharmic religions.
What's relevant is the details like common books, culture, teachings et like details and also the details of difference in ideology which lead it to be recognised as a separate religion. In these matters jewish,christanity, islam are related/different from each other just like budhism is related/ different from hinduism.ideological tolerance or otherwise beteen two school of thoughts/ deviations is irrelevant to the subject matter.
 

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Hinduism and Buddhism have absolutely nothing in common:

1) The Self is a very important concept in Hinduism, whereas in Buddhism 'no self'(anatta) is important
2) Hinduism is polytheistic, whereas Buddhism is agnostic
3) Consciousness is seen as the substratum in Hinduism, whereas in Buddhism consciousness itself is dependent upon various conditions.

etc. etc. Too many fundamental differences between the two religions.
Both have many commonalities. Infact Buddhism has its own interpretation of beliefs in Vedas

1) Reincarnations
2) Dharama
4) Moksha or Niravana

When people meditated and attained Moksha or Niravana some people interpreted what they experienced as GOD (Hindus) and Buddhists and Jains as a different phenomena.

All Dharmic religions like Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism have similar beliefs.
 
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Hinduism and Buddhism have absolutely nothing in common:

1) The Self is a very important concept in Hinduism, whereas in Buddhism 'no self'(anatta) is important
2) Hinduism is polytheistic, whereas Buddhism is agnostic
3) Consciousness is seen as the substratum in Hinduism, whereas in Buddhism consciousness itself is dependent upon various conditions.

etc. etc. Too many fundamental differences between the two religions.
Do you know Hinduism have nastic(atheist) as well as monotheistic(Arya Samaj) schools as well.
 

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Hatred for other ideology/ ideological deviation is absolutely irrelevant in a discussion about whether two religions can be considered separate or just one..hatred or otherwise is relevant if we were comparing tolerance or concepts of abrahamic religions vs dharmic religions.
What's relevant is the details like common books, culture, teachings et like details and also the details of difference in ideology which lead it to be recognised as a separate religion. In these matters jewish,christanity, islam are related/different from each other just like budhism is related/ different from hinduism.ideological tolerance or otherwise beteen two school of thoughts/ deviations is irrelevant to the subject matter.
Well depends how you judge it. There are many different schools of thought in Hinduism, which do not get identified as a separate religion but are nonetheless part of Hinduism. The spectrum of Hinduism is too broad and does not force people to adhere to a list of principles. It is one of those problems with languages, where you do not know if you want to call it a different language or dialect.
 

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Some basics of Buddhism as 1. World 2. Karma 3.Rebirth are same as Vedic Dharma (i.e. Hinduism), rest are the philosophies as seen by the Buddha after attaining the Nirvana.

Both have many commonalities. Infact Buddhism has its own interpretation of beliefs in Vedas

1) Reincarnations
2) Dharama
4) Moksha or Niravana

When people meditated and attained Moksha or Niravana some people interpreted what they experienced as GOD (Hindus) and Buddhists and Jains as a different phenomena.

All Dharmic religions like Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism have similar beliefs.
Buddhism too has many schools of thoughts, Mahayana Buddhism which came later takes Nirvana as somewhat more earthly concept making Nirvana < Moksha i.e. Nirvana became a mere detachment from greed and hate, while Moksha in Vedic Dharma means complete escape from the cycle of rebirth.
 

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Some basics of Buddhism as 1. World 2. Karma 3.Rebirth are same as Vedic Dharma (i.e. Hinduism), rest are the philosophies as seen by the Buddha after attaining the Nirvana.



Buddhism too has many schools of thoughts, Mahayana Buddhism which came later takes Nirvana as somewhat more earthly concept making Nirvana < Moksha i.e. Nirvana became a mere detachment from greed and hate, while Moksha in Vedic Dharma means complete escape from the cycle of rebirth.
Also, Buddha did not answer question about God or unity with God because he thought such questions are an impediment in the attainment of Nirvana by his pupils.
 

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Hinduism itself is not a Religion how can Buddha become a Hindu.:lol:

Hinduism is Way of life/Culture of Indian subcontinent.So if you take that into consideration then Paki+BD+Indian muzzies also Hindus!.If you say to them 'they are Hindus' they start Bombing everything.

Anyway Buddha never claimed he is God/Prophet/God's son.He simply said he is a monk and follow your OWN WAY/middle path.

The problem is ABRAHAMIC 'ONE GOD',Fk that bloody One God.There is no fk God.Period.

Why that fk 'One God' is dangerous.If you believe there is fk One God then he is only TRUE and other God's are fake and they Kafir/Sinner.So Chrislamists both are dangerous one is smart and other is hard terrorist because of that One God. :doh:
Well Hinduism might be a way of life, but its very much an organized religion just like every other religion. Sadly, a way of life isn't powerful enough to be wide spread.

As for the one God theory, one has to look at it slightly differently. Christians believe GOD is 3 in 1 and 1 in 3. The Father, son & Holy Spirit and yet separate entities but are considered in perfect union. Similarities can be found with Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva. Christian also have various choirs of angels, much like Angels of death, fire, wind, knowledge etc. In Hinduism Goddess of Knowledge is Sarasvathi while Wisdom is referred to as a she in the Bible.

That way there are a lot of similarities between Hinduism and Christianity.
 

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I said already God is fake, 1 or 3 or million gods all are fake.

Now come to the point. How can anyone believes Virgin birth and 6day evolution.:lol:

Xianity was LONG dead, West imposes WESTERN CULTURE on the name of xianity.

Islam imposes Middle-eastern Desert culture on the name of Islam.

Yes Hindu/Buddhism(let us assume religions) imposes EASTERN CULTURE on the name of Hindu/Buddhism.

The war was/is/will be goes on.
Well God isn't fake, the fact that billions in this world believe in a God or Gods, alone is enough to make God very much real. Whether God exists for real remains to be seen. God's existence among people and their actions alone prove God exists among humans. Humans have always wanted to believe in a higher power and the object or subject of that belief has varied from geographical location to location. Try telling the people in your local crowded temple that the God they believe is fake they'll show you how real God is :basanti:

People can believe in virgin birth and 6 day evolution just like people can believe in cows being holy or elephant Gods or Ape like Gods. Xianity or any other religion isn't dead, they continue to flourish plenty. Christianity isn't a Western Culture, its just as much a Middle Eastern culture as Islam or Judaism.

All religions can, when interpreted correctly, be pious ways of life, bring in human greed, jealousy, quest for power, domination, control over others etc etc and you have you need to make explosives.
 
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:lol::lol: u think i never spoken with mulla/father/priest.... Mulla got angry, church father disturbed and Hindu priest smiled.

Again who cares about what you believe or not.For me All gods are fake.

At least Cows&Elephant exist unlike angels.BTW stop ur BS believe what u wanna believe virgins,rebirth on 3rd day and so on.
I didn't say speak to Hindu priest, how about you try yelling out in crowded temple that their God is fake, a phony, you'll find out soon enough how real God is :) Gods don't take insults lightly. You'd better watch out :), you see God whether there are 1 or 3 million if they really exist are better to have on your side. Your dumbass can't tell for certainty that god doesn't exist, the presence of God for the devout is a feeling at best.

Well Jesus existed, as for how he is born is open to interpretation. Again, the Bible is a historical book and not the literal word of God, so its open to interpretations, dumbasses like you or extremists don't understand that. The point of Christianity has always been Christ and his teachings.

Religious Books and their interpretations thereof determine how people believe. Its the reason for myriads of denominations in Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews.
 

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I said already God is fake, 1 or 3 or million gods all are fake.

Now come to the point. How can anyone believes Virgin birth and 6day evolution.:lol:

Xianity was LONG dead, West imposes WESTERN CULTURE on the name of xianity.

Islam imposes Middle-eastern Desert culture on the name of Islam.

Yes Hindu/Buddhism(let us assume religions) imposes EASTERN CULTURE on the name of Hindu/Buddhism.

The war was/is/will be goes on.
Prayer time !! go to your prayers !





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Some basics of Buddhism as 1. World 2. Karma 3.Rebirth are same as Vedic Dharma (i.e. Hinduism), rest are the philosophies as seen by the Buddha after attaining the Nirvana.



Buddhism too has many schools of thoughts, Mahayana Buddhism which came later takes Nirvana as somewhat more earthly concept making Nirvana < Moksha i.e. Nirvana became a mere detachment from greed and hate, while Moksha in Vedic Dharma means complete escape from the cycle of rebirth.
I think the basic difference between Buddhism and Hinduism can be summarised as - ultimate nothing (Buddhism) vs ultimate truth(Hinduism)
 

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Xianity was LONG dead,
:pound: yes.

The xtians are still xtians only because of their base structure and not because they actually follow their bible literally. If not, xtians would be killing people for working on Sundays :laugh:.

Btw, in several ways , Jains follow a purer form of Hinduism than Hindus. Visit their homes and observe how they celebrate diwali, you will know that.....
 

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When Buddha speaks about union with Brahma in a few places , it could be that he means it in a contextual sense. To explain certain concepts to Brahmins who were seeking union with Brahma.
 
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Well Hinduism might be a way of life, but its very much an organized religion just like every other religion. Sadly, a way of life isn't powerful enough to be wide spread.
The H'ble SC has also taken Hinduism as a way of life, and has dealt upon the origins of it, the SC came to realize that unlike Abrahmic religions Hinduism has no single source of origin making it difficult to collectively call it an organized religion, Hinduism is a loose unification of religio-philosophical fragments, fragmented yet unified. "Religion" (Panth) is a western term and Hinduism does not satisfy the traditional features of any religion or creed, and that "it may broadly be described as a way of life and nothing more".

It would be a good question to consider whether Budhhism is also a way of life or a religion ?

The Nasadiya Sukta of Rig Veda is perhaps the earliest known expression of agnosticism :-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasadiya_Sukta
Ghalib's ghazal "Na tha kuchh to khuda tha, kuchh na hota to khuda hota..." seems a Islamized copy of this ! :biggrin2:

BTW @asingh10 what are your views on the origins of Sufism and Bhakti-Marga ? which one predates ?
 

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The H'ble SC has also taken Hinduism as a way of life, and has dealt upon the origins of it, the SC came to realize that unlike Abrahmic religions Hinduism has no single source of origin making it difficult to collectively call it an organized religion, Hinduism is a loose unification of religio-philosophical fragments, fragmented yet unified. "Religion" (Panth) is a western term and Hinduism does not satisfy the traditional features of any religion or creed, and that "it may broadly be described as a way of life and nothing more".
It would be a good question to consider whether Budhhism is also a way of life or a religion ?
Ghalib's ghazal "Na tha kuchh to khuda tha, kuchh na hota to khuda hota..." seems a Islamized copy of this ! :biggrin2:

BTW @asingh10 what are your views on the origins of Sufism and Bhakti-Marga ? which one predates ?
Well similar things can be said about Christianity, Judaism and Islam. All these religions evolved out of ancients tales, collections of writings and scripts. Religion per definition is

-the belief in a god or in a group of gods

-an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

-an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

Based on this Hinduism is a religion because regardless of its origin, it has an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods. The H'nable SC needs to make corrections to its view.
 

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Well similar things can be said about Christianity, Judaism and Islam. All these religions evolved out of ancients tales, collections of writings and scripts. Religion per definition is

-the belief in a god or in a group of gods
- A hindu does not have to believe in god to be a hindu. Most proud Hindus these days are atheists and do not believe in God.

-an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods
There is no organized head/institute which gives out sermons in Hinduism. There are no fixed ceremonies and rules and that is why you seem them change every 50-100km in India. The only common belief that exists is re-birth. I cannot think of other common belief. Comparatively, there are basic tenets in Islam like Mohammed as last prophet and only god allah. If you do not believe that then you are not Muslim.

-an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

Based on this Hinduism is a religion because regardless of its origin, it has an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods. The H'nable SC needs to make corrections to its view.
This point and the one above are the same.
 

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- A hindu does not have to believe in god to be a hindu. Most proud Hindus these days are atheists and do not believe in God.
There is no organized head/institute which gives out sermons in Hinduism. There are no fixed ceremonies and rules and that is why you seem them change every 50-100km in India. The only common belief that exists is re-birth. I cannot think of other common belief. Comparatively, there are basic tenets in Islam like Mohammed as last prophet and only god allah. If you do not believe that then you are not Muslim.
This point and the one above are the same.
The point is not whether Hindus believe in a God or not, the point is Hinduism is a religion very much like the others. If it weren't you wouldn't have globally recognized Hindu festivals of Diwali, Dusshera, Ganesh Chaturthi etc. Just because the belief systems of Hinduism are varied doesn't make it any less of a religion. There doesn't have to be one organized head, Christianity has many (Catholics, Church of England, Orthodox.. the list goes on they may or may not have unity between each other), so does Islam (Sunni, Shia etc...). Hinduism might have started as a way of life just like any other religion but man's constant need for structure, context, rituals etc. have made it into the World's 3rd largest religion, that is actually a good thing. No way of life can spread by itself.

There are many common beliefs among Hindus and disorganized as the religion may seem, it still brings some sort of unity within the community.
 

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