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Those Mi-17s are a lot larger than than they seem in pictures.
I got to see one a few years ago. It was as big as a bus.
I got to see one a few years ago. It was as big as a bus.
Defence forces to induct 1,000 helicopters by 2020
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Mil Mi-26 recovering an American CH-47 Chinook helicopter
This will give us a better idea
http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=21154&p=258727#post258727
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Mil Mi-26 recovering an American CH-47 Chinook helicopter
This will give us a better idea
Vsit this for better idea
http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=21154&p=258727#post258727
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Technically yes the Stryker weights 18.77T and the MI-26 has a potential to lift upto 20T.
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If I may add:
- Mil-26 empty weighs: 28,200 kg
- Mil-26 take of weight: 56,000 kg
- Mil-26 should be able to lift: 27,800 kg
- Tupolev-134 empty weighs: 27,960 kg
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Operating cost is also Dam too high
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As pointed out, Mi-26 is a fine machine but one with steep operating costs. However, we are experienced in using these systems for a while so it should have taught us a lot.
I strongly feel India should enter into an agreement with Russia to license manufacture some key helos such as Mi-17s.
I strongly feel India should enter into an agreement with Russia to license manufacture some key helos such as Mi-17s.
Russian Helicopters to be assembled in India
The MiG setback has been a humbling experience for Russian defence contractors. Now, the Russian Helicopter company is sweetening the deal by offering local production in the race for three Indian tenders worth $4 bn.
The Russian defence contractors have been trying to rid themselves of the arrogance that cost them major tenders for supplying MiG-35 fighters to India and T-90 tanks to Thailand.
In a move unprecedented in the country's history, the Russian Helicopters, JSC announced it was ready to establish manufacturing of military equipment in India with the right to re-export to third countries. The helicopter builders are thus trying to gain the upper hand in three tenders for supplying the Indian Air Force with light highlander choppers, cargo carriers, and assault helicopters worth more than $4 billion in total.
"We may do the final assembly in India and enter other markets from the Indian market base," Andrei Reus, CEO of United Industrial Corporation Oboronprom, said. The Russian Helicopters, JSC, an Oboronprom subsidiary, is responsible for the design and manufacturing of all helicopters in Russia.
India's market is of strategic importance for Russian Helicopters Andrei Reus added: "This is a strategic market for us and the most dense in terms of the number of tenders in which we compete", he noted.
Reus believes that the chances of the Russian company winning all those tenders are quite high, because their equipment meets the Indian party's requirements. He also pointed out that India had the necessary infrastructure and trained personnel for operating Russian-made helicopters.
Rosoboronexport, Oboronprom's parent company, is participating in three tenders organised by India's Ministry of Defence for supplying helicopters of various classes. The biggest one, for light helicopters to be used in high-altitude mountain areas, envisages supplying the Indian Air Force with 197 helicopters worth $2 bn. Kamov's Ka-226Ts are competing there against the AS-550 from Eurocopter, as well as the A-109 and A-119 from Augusta Westland. In another tender, for 22 assault helicopters valued at $1.4 bn, the Russian-made Mi-28NE is bidding against the American AH-64D Apache Longbow Block III. Finally, a $700 mn contract for 15 heavy cargo helicopters is up in the air between the Mi-26T2 and the CH-47F Chinook from the US competing for it.
The tenders were announced in 2008–2009 and the results are expected in 2011. With this sort of competition, it is only natural for the Russian company to want to better its chance by offering the customer joint production and sweetening the deal with the right to export the output to third countries.
This is unprecedented for Russia. In Soviet history, there was only one instance when, in 1964, Poland received a licence for Mi-2 production. Russian defence industrialists believe the plans to establish production in India with the right to re-export should be a substantial argument in favour of the Russian machines participating in the tender.
It was aircraft makers, namely RSK MiG, that suffered the latest major defeat on Russia's biggest equipment export market. They presented their most advanced generation 4++ MiG-35 fighter jet for an Indian tender. Throughout the years of selection, Moscow exuded total confidence that the MiG-35 was a sure bet in the competition for the over $10 bn contract. They were so smug that the MiG-35 was the only competitor not even to attend the purchasing country's main aviation show, Aero India-2011 in Bangalore. Indian government representatives officially stated that not only had they tried to discover, through their ambassador in Moscow, the reasons for the no-show, but had also attempted to persuade Russia to send the plane, but all in vain. Eventually, the MiG-35, which had the advantage of a lower price than its competitors, lost to the European-made Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale.
At the same time, the Indian Armed Forces have become virtually the main export market for Russian military equipment, especially since the Chinese customers, having copied numerous models, have switched from purchasing Russian machines to producing their own. According to the Centre for Analysis of the World Arms Trade, the ability to market their equipment abroad gives Russian defence contractors an opportunity to manufacture the most advanced tanks, helicopters, and aircraft to meet their own army's needs. For example, a contract with New Delhi for 126 MiGs would have permitted a significant reduction in the fighter's domestic price thanks to economies of scale in production. Now the manufacturing of a relatively small number to meet the Russian Air Force's needs has become economically unfeasible and those plans are likely to be scrapped.
The Indian customers' choices are also heavily influenced by a desire to diversify the sources of their weapons supplies; at present, India already receives a significant portion of its military equipment from Russia. In addition, the results of the three tenders may also be affected by a certain change in the Indian Armed Forces' equipment priorities. In the past, New Delhi was pursuing a technologically "cheap" military. As a supplier, Moscow fit the bill ideally, as it always offered the simplest and cheapest weapons around. The Indian military has now realigned itself towards the most expensive and technologically advanced offerings. That said, the Moscow Centre for Strategic and Technology Analysis believes that it is impossible to predict exactly how the offer of local production of Russian Helicopters, JSC will affect the chances.
In 2010, Russian Helicopters, JSC factories manufactured 214 helicopters; plans for 2011 include 267 machines and, in 2012, the number is expected to exceed 300 units.
"Currently, Russian Helicopters has government orders for 461 machines. There are also, however, so-called quasi-hard contracts, i.e., ones that have not yet been signed for a complete armaments programme. Once all contracts are signed, the orders will top 1,500", the Oboronprom CEO said.
He added that the potential order portfolio was already six times the 2010 level, when 214 helicopters were built.
Dmitry Petrov, the CEO of the Russian Helicopters, JSC says that, in 2010, his company produced up to 10% of all helicopters manufactured worldwide. The same year, the holding's companies brought Russia's share up to 14% of the helicopter market in dollar terms, while Russian-made helicopters account for approximately 13% of the total global helicopter fleet, the CEO pointed out. He added that his holding was the number one supplier to the markets of Russia, the CIS, India, and China. On the Russian and CIS markets, domestically manufactured helicopters account for 87% of the fleet in dollar terms.
Russian Helicopters to be assembled in India | Russia & India Report
The MiG setback has been a humbling experience for Russian defence contractors. Now, the Russian Helicopter company is sweetening the deal by offering local production in the race for three Indian tenders worth $4 bn.
The Russian defence contractors have been trying to rid themselves of the arrogance that cost them major tenders for supplying MiG-35 fighters to India and T-90 tanks to Thailand.
In a move unprecedented in the country's history, the Russian Helicopters, JSC announced it was ready to establish manufacturing of military equipment in India with the right to re-export to third countries. The helicopter builders are thus trying to gain the upper hand in three tenders for supplying the Indian Air Force with light highlander choppers, cargo carriers, and assault helicopters worth more than $4 billion in total.
"We may do the final assembly in India and enter other markets from the Indian market base," Andrei Reus, CEO of United Industrial Corporation Oboronprom, said. The Russian Helicopters, JSC, an Oboronprom subsidiary, is responsible for the design and manufacturing of all helicopters in Russia.
India's market is of strategic importance for Russian Helicopters Andrei Reus added: "This is a strategic market for us and the most dense in terms of the number of tenders in which we compete", he noted.
Reus believes that the chances of the Russian company winning all those tenders are quite high, because their equipment meets the Indian party's requirements. He also pointed out that India had the necessary infrastructure and trained personnel for operating Russian-made helicopters.
Rosoboronexport, Oboronprom's parent company, is participating in three tenders organised by India's Ministry of Defence for supplying helicopters of various classes. The biggest one, for light helicopters to be used in high-altitude mountain areas, envisages supplying the Indian Air Force with 197 helicopters worth $2 bn. Kamov's Ka-226Ts are competing there against the AS-550 from Eurocopter, as well as the A-109 and A-119 from Augusta Westland. In another tender, for 22 assault helicopters valued at $1.4 bn, the Russian-made Mi-28NE is bidding against the American AH-64D Apache Longbow Block III. Finally, a $700 mn contract for 15 heavy cargo helicopters is up in the air between the Mi-26T2 and the CH-47F Chinook from the US competing for it.
The tenders were announced in 2008–2009 and the results are expected in 2011. With this sort of competition, it is only natural for the Russian company to want to better its chance by offering the customer joint production and sweetening the deal with the right to export the output to third countries.
This is unprecedented for Russia. In Soviet history, there was only one instance when, in 1964, Poland received a licence for Mi-2 production. Russian defence industrialists believe the plans to establish production in India with the right to re-export should be a substantial argument in favour of the Russian machines participating in the tender.
It was aircraft makers, namely RSK MiG, that suffered the latest major defeat on Russia's biggest equipment export market. They presented their most advanced generation 4++ MiG-35 fighter jet for an Indian tender. Throughout the years of selection, Moscow exuded total confidence that the MiG-35 was a sure bet in the competition for the over $10 bn contract. They were so smug that the MiG-35 was the only competitor not even to attend the purchasing country's main aviation show, Aero India-2011 in Bangalore. Indian government representatives officially stated that not only had they tried to discover, through their ambassador in Moscow, the reasons for the no-show, but had also attempted to persuade Russia to send the plane, but all in vain. Eventually, the MiG-35, which had the advantage of a lower price than its competitors, lost to the European-made Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale.
At the same time, the Indian Armed Forces have become virtually the main export market for Russian military equipment, especially since the Chinese customers, having copied numerous models, have switched from purchasing Russian machines to producing their own. According to the Centre for Analysis of the World Arms Trade, the ability to market their equipment abroad gives Russian defence contractors an opportunity to manufacture the most advanced tanks, helicopters, and aircraft to meet their own army's needs. For example, a contract with New Delhi for 126 MiGs would have permitted a significant reduction in the fighter's domestic price thanks to economies of scale in production. Now the manufacturing of a relatively small number to meet the Russian Air Force's needs has become economically unfeasible and those plans are likely to be scrapped.
The Indian customers' choices are also heavily influenced by a desire to diversify the sources of their weapons supplies; at present, India already receives a significant portion of its military equipment from Russia. In addition, the results of the three tenders may also be affected by a certain change in the Indian Armed Forces' equipment priorities. In the past, New Delhi was pursuing a technologically "cheap" military. As a supplier, Moscow fit the bill ideally, as it always offered the simplest and cheapest weapons around. The Indian military has now realigned itself towards the most expensive and technologically advanced offerings. That said, the Moscow Centre for Strategic and Technology Analysis believes that it is impossible to predict exactly how the offer of local production of Russian Helicopters, JSC will affect the chances.
In 2010, Russian Helicopters, JSC factories manufactured 214 helicopters; plans for 2011 include 267 machines and, in 2012, the number is expected to exceed 300 units.
"Currently, Russian Helicopters has government orders for 461 machines. There are also, however, so-called quasi-hard contracts, i.e., ones that have not yet been signed for a complete armaments programme. Once all contracts are signed, the orders will top 1,500", the Oboronprom CEO said.
He added that the potential order portfolio was already six times the 2010 level, when 214 helicopters were built.
Dmitry Petrov, the CEO of the Russian Helicopters, JSC says that, in 2010, his company produced up to 10% of all helicopters manufactured worldwide. The same year, the holding's companies brought Russia's share up to 14% of the helicopter market in dollar terms, while Russian-made helicopters account for approximately 13% of the total global helicopter fleet, the CEO pointed out. He added that his holding was the number one supplier to the markets of Russia, the CIS, India, and China. On the Russian and CIS markets, domestically manufactured helicopters account for 87% of the fleet in dollar terms.
Russian Helicopters to be assembled in India | Russia & India Report
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India set to decide big military aircraft deals
New Delhi. India is set to decide on the world's biggest combat aircraft deal of this century yet as well as those for new combat, utility and heavy lift helicopters within the next few days, weeks, or months, but all within 2011.
Chief of Air Staff of the Indian Air Force (IAF), Air Chief Marshal P V Naik, told India Strategic defence magazine (..:: India Strategic ::.. Home Page: The authoritative monthly on Defence and Strategic Affairs.) that the commercial bids of the two finalists in the race for 126-plus Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCAs) would be opened mid-June (possibly before the Paris Air Show beginning June 20), while those of the combat, heavy lift and utility helicopters and the basic trainer aircraft "anytime between the next few days to few weeks."
In an interview for India Strategic's Paris Air Show edition, the Air Chief said that IAF had already finalized its choice for the combat helicopter while that of the utility helicopter had also been through with the Indian Army, which is the lead buyer in this case. IAF will follow and buy the same helicopter.
As for the heavy lift helicopter, "the final report can be expected within the few days," he said.
All the required reports were either already now with the Ministry of Defence (MoD) or just about to be submitted, he said pointing out IAF was well on its way towards transformation by 2022 or 2025.
Boeing's Apache AH 64D and the Russian Mi 28NE are the two contenders in the race for combat helicopters while Boeing's Chinook – the only helicopter which can float on water – and Russian Rosoboronexport's Mi 26 are in the fray for the heavy lift role. The utility helicopter race for the Indian Army and IAF has the EADS Eurocopter and Russian Kamov in the race.
There is another project for an Indian-made Multi Role Helicopter later in the decade.
Basic Trainer Aircraft
In the basic trainer role, Swiss Pilatus 7. Korean KT 1 and US Beechcraft T 6 have been short-listed by the IAF, and the finalist is also due to be announced.
Existing Combat Aircraft
Notably, except for the Su 30 MKI aircraft and Hawk Advanced Jet Trainers, nearly all the aircraft with the Indian Air Force (IAF) are due for replacement as they were bought during the 1980s a quarter century ago. There is also a need to ensure that the new systems are in line with the revolution in electronic warfare systems, precision combat radars like AESA and missile technologies.
The Air Chief did not give any figures, but a rough calculation shows that IAF could be announcing deals worth $ 30 billion, or more, by the end of 2011.
The Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal, for which only the Eurofighter and Rafale remain in the fray, could touch or exceed $ 15 billion if the option for additional 63 aircraft is exercised in addition to the 126 units given in the tender. The three helicopters and the trainer aircraft, along with support and training packages, could be another $ five billion.
IAF has already selected 12 VVIP helicopters from Agusta Westland and 80 multi role Mi 17 1V from Russia. A project to acquire and build some 200 Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft has also already been signed with Russia.
Transport Aircraft
Notably, IAF has already finalized a deal to acquire 10 Boeing C 17 Globemaster III strategic transport aircraft, and there is a decision to add six and "some more" later.
It may be noted that as most deals involve Transfer of Technologies and offsets, there are still additional costs as the manufacturers pass various charges essentially to the buyer.
He said that IAF had already inducted two of the six special operations C 130J Super Hercules aircraft ordered from US Lockheed Martin, and by Feb 2012, all of them would be in the IAF inventory.
The support infrastructure is in place, on time, he said adding: "There are plans to acquire an additional six C 130J through the same Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route from the US Government.
MMRCA Milestones
Air Chief Marshal Naik said that in the case of the MMRCA, the last significant milestone in the selection process was over with the completion of the Technical Oversight Committee (TOC) report. The MoD could open the commercial tenders submitted by Eurofighter and Rafale mid-June to determine the lowest, or L-1, bidder.
However, it would still take a couple of months as it just won't just be the price mentioned, but the package in terms of direct costs, support programmes, training, offsets and life cycle costs which would determine the winner. The race though is expected to be close.
Asked if the Eurofighter and Rafale were superior in technologies to the other four contenders – Boeing F/A 18 IN Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F 16 IN, Swedish Gripen and Russian Mig 29 – the Air Chief said: "In all fairness, all the six aircraft in the competition were good, and more or less close to one another in performance. But some of them had to be out, and some had to be in, and that's it. Let's say that the two European finalists were the most-compliant in the 600-plus parameters that the IAF selection team had set."
The Air Chief observed that admittedly, the US had the best of the combat radars, weapons and systems. But then, each of the six contenders had given in writing that they would match the IAF requirements, including those for systems to be sourced from the US.
IAF Transformation
Air Chief Marshal Naik, who is at the vantage point in overseeing the transformation process of the Indian Air Force before his retirement in July, said that by 2020, "as part of our capability buildup plan, IAF would have dedicated combat, medium and heavy lift helicopters in all sectors to adequately meet our requirements."
By then MMRCA and FGFA would have been inducted and the existing Mirages, Mig 29 and other aircraft upgraded to serve for some more years.
Pilot Training
It was important, he pointed out, that IAF pilots should be tech-savvy.
"Over a period of time, IAF will be tech savvy not only in terms of weapons and equipment but also in its style of functioning," he said adding that pilot training is going to be intensified at all levels, and facilities expanded to train more pilots.
AWACS
Air Chief Marshal disclosed that the last of the three Phalcon AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control Systems Aircraft) had arrived in India in March and deployed.
Two more AWACS mounted on IL 76 platforms had also been ordered.
The process to augment the electronic surveillance capability with aerostats – balloons with electronic surveillance radars – was continuing.
Air Chief Marshal Naik also said that the process to induct more midair refuellers was progressing. EADS' Airus 330 MRTT and Rosoboronexport's IL-78 (Mk 90) are competing.
Private Sector
Air Chief Marshal Naik said that the private sector had to play a great role in defence, aerospace and homeland security, and that the government was now set to facilitate its participation.
There should be fair competition between the state run companies and the private sector but "it is time, the private sector also set up a strong industrial R&D base to make this participation meaningful," he observed.
..:: India Strategic ::.. India set to decide big military aircraft deals
New Delhi. India is set to decide on the world's biggest combat aircraft deal of this century yet as well as those for new combat, utility and heavy lift helicopters within the next few days, weeks, or months, but all within 2011.
Chief of Air Staff of the Indian Air Force (IAF), Air Chief Marshal P V Naik, told India Strategic defence magazine (..:: India Strategic ::.. Home Page: The authoritative monthly on Defence and Strategic Affairs.) that the commercial bids of the two finalists in the race for 126-plus Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCAs) would be opened mid-June (possibly before the Paris Air Show beginning June 20), while those of the combat, heavy lift and utility helicopters and the basic trainer aircraft "anytime between the next few days to few weeks."
In an interview for India Strategic's Paris Air Show edition, the Air Chief said that IAF had already finalized its choice for the combat helicopter while that of the utility helicopter had also been through with the Indian Army, which is the lead buyer in this case. IAF will follow and buy the same helicopter.
As for the heavy lift helicopter, "the final report can be expected within the few days," he said.
All the required reports were either already now with the Ministry of Defence (MoD) or just about to be submitted, he said pointing out IAF was well on its way towards transformation by 2022 or 2025.
Boeing's Apache AH 64D and the Russian Mi 28NE are the two contenders in the race for combat helicopters while Boeing's Chinook – the only helicopter which can float on water – and Russian Rosoboronexport's Mi 26 are in the fray for the heavy lift role. The utility helicopter race for the Indian Army and IAF has the EADS Eurocopter and Russian Kamov in the race.
There is another project for an Indian-made Multi Role Helicopter later in the decade.
Basic Trainer Aircraft
In the basic trainer role, Swiss Pilatus 7. Korean KT 1 and US Beechcraft T 6 have been short-listed by the IAF, and the finalist is also due to be announced.
Existing Combat Aircraft
Notably, except for the Su 30 MKI aircraft and Hawk Advanced Jet Trainers, nearly all the aircraft with the Indian Air Force (IAF) are due for replacement as they were bought during the 1980s a quarter century ago. There is also a need to ensure that the new systems are in line with the revolution in electronic warfare systems, precision combat radars like AESA and missile technologies.
The Air Chief did not give any figures, but a rough calculation shows that IAF could be announcing deals worth $ 30 billion, or more, by the end of 2011.
The Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal, for which only the Eurofighter and Rafale remain in the fray, could touch or exceed $ 15 billion if the option for additional 63 aircraft is exercised in addition to the 126 units given in the tender. The three helicopters and the trainer aircraft, along with support and training packages, could be another $ five billion.
IAF has already selected 12 VVIP helicopters from Agusta Westland and 80 multi role Mi 17 1V from Russia. A project to acquire and build some 200 Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft has also already been signed with Russia.
Transport Aircraft
Notably, IAF has already finalized a deal to acquire 10 Boeing C 17 Globemaster III strategic transport aircraft, and there is a decision to add six and "some more" later.
It may be noted that as most deals involve Transfer of Technologies and offsets, there are still additional costs as the manufacturers pass various charges essentially to the buyer.
He said that IAF had already inducted two of the six special operations C 130J Super Hercules aircraft ordered from US Lockheed Martin, and by Feb 2012, all of them would be in the IAF inventory.
The support infrastructure is in place, on time, he said adding: "There are plans to acquire an additional six C 130J through the same Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route from the US Government.
MMRCA Milestones
Air Chief Marshal Naik said that in the case of the MMRCA, the last significant milestone in the selection process was over with the completion of the Technical Oversight Committee (TOC) report. The MoD could open the commercial tenders submitted by Eurofighter and Rafale mid-June to determine the lowest, or L-1, bidder.
However, it would still take a couple of months as it just won't just be the price mentioned, but the package in terms of direct costs, support programmes, training, offsets and life cycle costs which would determine the winner. The race though is expected to be close.
Asked if the Eurofighter and Rafale were superior in technologies to the other four contenders – Boeing F/A 18 IN Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F 16 IN, Swedish Gripen and Russian Mig 29 – the Air Chief said: "In all fairness, all the six aircraft in the competition were good, and more or less close to one another in performance. But some of them had to be out, and some had to be in, and that's it. Let's say that the two European finalists were the most-compliant in the 600-plus parameters that the IAF selection team had set."
The Air Chief observed that admittedly, the US had the best of the combat radars, weapons and systems. But then, each of the six contenders had given in writing that they would match the IAF requirements, including those for systems to be sourced from the US.
IAF Transformation
Air Chief Marshal Naik, who is at the vantage point in overseeing the transformation process of the Indian Air Force before his retirement in July, said that by 2020, "as part of our capability buildup plan, IAF would have dedicated combat, medium and heavy lift helicopters in all sectors to adequately meet our requirements."
By then MMRCA and FGFA would have been inducted and the existing Mirages, Mig 29 and other aircraft upgraded to serve for some more years.
Pilot Training
It was important, he pointed out, that IAF pilots should be tech-savvy.
"Over a period of time, IAF will be tech savvy not only in terms of weapons and equipment but also in its style of functioning," he said adding that pilot training is going to be intensified at all levels, and facilities expanded to train more pilots.
AWACS
Air Chief Marshal disclosed that the last of the three Phalcon AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control Systems Aircraft) had arrived in India in March and deployed.
Two more AWACS mounted on IL 76 platforms had also been ordered.
The process to augment the electronic surveillance capability with aerostats – balloons with electronic surveillance radars – was continuing.
Air Chief Marshal Naik also said that the process to induct more midair refuellers was progressing. EADS' Airus 330 MRTT and Rosoboronexport's IL-78 (Mk 90) are competing.
Private Sector
Air Chief Marshal Naik said that the private sector had to play a great role in defence, aerospace and homeland security, and that the government was now set to facilitate its participation.
There should be fair competition between the state run companies and the private sector but "it is time, the private sector also set up a strong industrial R&D base to make this participation meaningful," he observed.
..:: India Strategic ::.. India set to decide big military aircraft deals
India requests overhaul for 30 Mi-17 helicopters
India requests overhaul for 30 Mi-17 helicopters | idrw.org
India requests overhaul for 30 Mi-17 helicopters | idrw.org
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I disagree with this
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Bro, these days it's hard to make money by stealing petrol, rations and other material in Para-forces, hence all the babus and BSF officers are going Army, AF, Navy way to fill their coffers i.e. buy more and more for foreign suppliers and receive huge kickbacks.....Druvs have been in service for far too long to be termed "useless" at this junction, that too when we are exporting them successfully and on top of that receiving good customer feedback.
The point to be noted here is that - India is going to buy 1000 Helis for different purposes, thus how do you expect Babus, Officers and Political middlemen to remain silent and not be part of this loot?
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Even I heard that Dhruv can fly to siachen glacier very comfortably and has more cargo capacity than current cheetah. Still these people can call it useless? 
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Indian navy went for P8I rather than P3C orion...
Indian Airforce is going for C17 instead of going for next generation transport plane.. that too in bigway. we may be operating these many years..
is it good move for going in for quicker induction than investing in future ?
Indian Airforce is going for C17 instead of going for next generation transport plane.. that too in bigway. we may be operating these many years..
is it good move for going in for quicker induction than investing in future ?
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may be BSF didnt compare this wonder in the high altitude areas..Even I heard that Dhruv can fly to siachen glacier very comfortably and has more cargo capacity than current cheetah. Still these people can call it useless?
