Deadly blast at Russia train station

TrueSpirit1

The Nobody
Banned
Joined
Nov 5, 2013
Messages
1,575
Likes
1,024
The Saudis did it. The Saudis threatened Russia over Syria.
Can we totally discount the possibility of connivance (passive ?) of EU powers ?

EU-Russia spate over Georgia, where EU excruciatingly floundered in its efforts to curtail Russia's oil-n-gas diplomacy, could be an additional factor (instigator) besides the obvious Syria conundrum & Sochi Winter Olympics.....
 
Last edited:

Razor

STABLE GENIUS
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 7, 2011
Messages
7,701
Likes
9,099
Country flag
Volgograd terrorist attacks blast Russian ruble

The ruble slipped against the dollar–euro currency basket on Monday as traders reacted to the terrorist bombing in Volgograd.

The dollar and the euro edged higher on the Moscow exchange. In the first ETC [Exchange Traded Certificates] deals on Monday the US dollar traded 16-17 kopecks higher than in the previous session – at 32.75 rubles. The euro was 32 kopecks more expensive, being traded at 45.17 rubles. The cost of the bi-currency basket went up by 23 kopecks, standing at 38.34 rubles.

Interfax experts say that the rise of the dollar and the euro may be connected with investor negativity caused by the Volgograd bombings.

At least 13 people have been killed in trolley bus blast in Volgograd on Monday, only a day after a suicide bomb ripped through the city's railway station, killing 17.
Volgograd terrorist attacks blast Russian ruble — RT Business
 

Razor

STABLE GENIUS
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 7, 2011
Messages
7,701
Likes
9,099
Country flag
Related:

Suspected Militants Killed in Russia's North Caucasus

Three suspected militants were killed Monday in an ongoing counter-terrorism operation in Russia's North Caucasus republic of Kabardino-Balkaria, a police source said.
The militants, who were surrounded in a private house, were killed after they opened fire on Russian law enforcement officers, the source said. Two police officers were injured in the operation, that began at 8:30 a.m. Moscow time (04:30 GMT).
An Islamist insurgency, once confined largely to Chechnya, has spread across the North Caucasus in recent years, with attacks on security forces, police and civilians reported regularly in the nearby republics of Dagestan, Ingushetia and Kabardino-Balkaria.
Suspected Militants Killed in Russia's North Caucasus | Russia | RIA Novosti
 

Deccani

Tihar Jail
Banned
Joined
Dec 20, 2013
Messages
467
Likes
108
Georgia was bankrupt during 1991. When South Ossetia and Georgia were given independence from federation, Georgians sensed some land grabbing opportunity and went for annexing South Ossetian lands. During the fight, some Russian cities have been damaged that resulted in Russians entry. And as usual during those days, Georgians had blessings of Amreekans !

I would be interested to know your version as well, if you would like to share !
Ossetia use to be one single region which was divided by the Soviets in North and South and in 1991 Russian federation kept Northern Ossetia and gave Southern Ossetia to Georgia . Russian Federation was not willing to give Independence to any Caucasian republics because of oil reserves and geographical location .And it was a well calculated step which the Russian federation took in 1991 which was to cut off all the other SSR states and keep up the oil profits just for them because to maintain so big country would be like giving everything in free for the other SSR states and keep them under control by the gas policy but in this time to time Russian Establishment keep on giving them funds and aid .

Everything depends on the foreign policy adopted by the Russian Establishment and Caucasian Republics . For sure they would have very good lifes if they are part of Russian Federation and if they will go for Independence then they resources would be looted similar like Iraq and Afghanistan . But here even Russians have to change their approach towards other nations and start giving respect to them instead of insulting and degrading .





 
Last edited:

Austin

Regular Member
Joined
Sep 19, 2011
Messages
852
Likes
363
Moscow Defense Brief

Evolution of the Terror Threat Facing Russia
Georgi Engelhardt

On October 21, 2013 a female suicide bomber blew up a bus full of passengers in Volgograd. Six passengers died at the scene; another woman died later in hospital; 37 people were injured. The bomber herself was also killed. She hailed from Makhachkala, in the troubled southern province of Dagestan, and belonged to a Jihadist group called The Caucasus Emirate (Imarat Kavkaz). The group consists of militant Islamists in the Russian North Caucasus and their sympathizers in the rest of the country.

The police and security services' response to the attack in Volgograd was swift. Detectives quickly established who the suicide bomber was, and which radical group she belonged to. On November 16, five members of that group were killed in a security operation in Makhachkala.1 On November 19 the authorities reported that the leader of the group, Murad Kasumov, had also been killed, along with a senior ally.2

The bus bombing on October 21 was the first successful terrorist attack in central Russia since January 24, 2011, when the Ingushetia branch of the Caucasus Emirate detonated a home-made device at Moscow's Domodedovo Airport. Moscow itself, however, remains the terrorists' prime target. An attack terrorists planned to stage on Red Square on the night of January 1, 2011, failed only because the female suicide bomber proved to be poorly trained. In July 2011 the FSB [Federal Security Service] seized four terrorists preparing a plot to bomb the Moscow-St. Petersburg high-speed train. On May 20, 2013, the FSB killed three militants of the Islamic Party of Turkestan group during a security operation in Orekhovo-Zuyevo, Moscow Region. All three hailed from the Republic of Bashkortostan; they had been trained on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, and were preparing an attack in Moscow. In the latest security operation last November, 16 members of the Takfir wal-Hijra radical movement were seized in Moscow.

The bus bombing in Volgograd has once again shifted the focus to the North Caucasus and the terrorists operating not far from Sochi, the site of the upcoming 2014 Winter Olympics. The Russian government has given assurances that unprecedented security measures are being taken ahead of the Sochi Olympics, and that athletes and spectators will be safe from attack.

Ever since the International Olympic Committee chose Sochi in the summer of 2007, the decision has been criticized for security reasons. The city is situated close to the parts of the North Caucasus that have long been regarded as the home turf of jihadist militants. Doku Umarov, the leader of the Caucasus Emirate, has often railed against the Sochi Olympics and threatened to disrupt the Games.

The territories around Sochi also hold a lot of painful memories for ethnic Circassians; these memories date back to the Russian conquest of the Caucasus in the 19th century. There have been attempts by various Circassian groups in Russia and abroad to organize an international campaign of condemnation against Moscow. But as of late 2013, it appears that the Russian government has managed to deal successfully with this potentially very damaging political problem. Moscow also seriously weakened the jihadist underground movement in the West Caucasus in 2011-2012.

The jihadists are the only political force in Putin's Russia that offer armed opposition to the existing political setup. As far as the Caucasian Wahhabists are concerned, the main drawback of the Russian political system is that the country is not ruled by Islamic law. All their other traditional grievances — such as the bloody history of the Russian conquest, suppression of ethnic freedoms, and corruption — are merely a corollary of that key problem.

The war waged by the Islamists in the Caucasus has continued non-stop on Putin's watch. The transformation of Chechen ethnic separatism into a pan-ethnic jihadist movement began back in the mid-1990s. The second Russian campaign in Chechnya was triggered in August and September 1999 by two jihadist leaders, Shamil Basayev and Khattab (Thamir Al-Suwailem). During that campaign, the separatist component of the Chechen uprising was completely marginalized, and jihadists began to play the leading role. Back in 2002 the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, the virtual state proclaimed by the separatists, formally introduced Sharia law. After the death of its last president, Aslan Maskhadov, in March 2005, his successors (Abdul-Khakim Sadulayev in 2005-2006 and Doku Umarov since 2006) made the Chechen cause part of the greater Caucasus Emirate project. Proclaimed in 2007, the Caucasus Emirate is now the overarching framework that unites the jihadist underground movements all over Russia. It is to the head of the Caucasus Emirate that the leaders of the regional jihadist groups formally swear allegiance.

Meanwhile, Moscow's military, security and police operations against jihadists have been fairly successful. The militants have sustained heavy losses over the past 15 years of counterinsurgency operations in the region. Khattab, the Saudi militant who trained a whole generation of bombers and field commanders at his Kavkaz training camp, was killed back in 2002. Shamil Basayev, the most experienced and talented leader of the jihadists, was eliminated in July 2006.

The loss of experienced field commanders has affected the nature and scale of the rebel attacks. They have not managed to pull off any successful large operations since the June 22, 2004 attack in Ingushetia. The last time they even attempted a major operation was in October 13, 2005, when they tried (and failed) to seize Nalchik, the capital of Kabardino-Balkaria. Since then they have abandoned all tactics that require complex preparations and coordinated actions by several groups with hundreds of fighters involved.

The jihadists now favor urban guerilla warfare, improvised explosive devices, and suicide bombings. They seldom operate in groups larger than 10 people these days. In the eight years since 2006 almost all the militants who were trained at the Kavkaz camp, and who had some experience of large combat operations, have either died or retired. Now that the Islamists do not directly control any territory in Russia, they cannot organize proper military training for their new commanders. The only kind of training they can still provide is for small hit-and-run operations.

Despite their military setbacks, the Caucasian militants have been fairly creative in resolving their funding problems. In 2004-2005 Moscow managed to pressure the Gulf monarchies to drastically reduce their financing of the jihad in the North Caucasus. In mid-2006 the rebel leaders blamed their lack of achievements on money problems: "Our Mujahedeen are now lacking only money," Caucasus Front vice president Doku Umarov complained in April 2006. "We are capable of launching bigger operations but it all depends on our finances." But then the jihadists identified a new source of financing: they began to extort money from local businessmen and officials. These officials, meanwhile, have money to spare thanks to endemic corruption and the generous funding the North Caucasus provinces receive from Moscow.

The jihadists have imposed a form of tax on senior civil servants and businessmen, saying that the money is due to them as the "legitimate Islamic authorities". They have also been fairly successful in imposing Sharia law in various areas of day-to-day life. Many local shops have been intimidated into removing alcohol from their shelves. Several education officials who tried to impose a ban on the Islamic headscarf in school have been killed. Even fortune-tellers have been forced to close their shops because the practice is banned by Islam.

Inventive ways of channeling government money into jihad have freed the insurgents from their dependence on laborious and unreliable fundraising methods, and firmly established them as a force to be reckoned with. They are especially strong in Dagestan, where they had become a major feature of the local political landscape by early 2013. In other parts of the North Caucasus, however, their achievements have been much less spectacular. In Ingushetia they suffered a serious blow when the leader of the local underground movement, Ali Taziev (a.k.a. Amir Magas) was seized on June 9, 2010, and sentenced to life imprisonment in October 2013. In the West Caucasus, seven prominent commanders were killed in Kabardino-Balkaria in the spring of 2011.

In early 2013 the Russian Interior Ministry and the FSB stepped up their campaign against jihadists in the North Caucasus as part of preparations for the Winter Olympics in Sochi. On March 21 the authorities reported the death of Ibragim Gadzhidadayev, commander of the rebels in Gimri. He was killed at the home of the head of the Unstukul District municipal council. The rebels later claimed that Gadzhidadayev had managed to escape, but offered no proof. On June 2, the influential mayor of Makhachkala, Said Amirov, was taken into custody. It is widely believed that Amirov maintained contacts with the insurgents, and used them to further his own political and business interests.

On the whole, the Russian security forces have been fairly successful in their campaign against terrorism in recent years. There have not been any terrorist attacks in Moscow since 2011, and definitely not for lack of trying. The security services foiled a bombing in Moscow on New Year's Eve 2013; prevented a bombing on the high-speed train service between Moscow and St Petersburg; and foiled another plot in Orekhovo-Zuyevo. Groups of extremists are being seized in and around Moscow on a fairly regular basis.

The question is, how long will this relatively successful period last? Effective military and security operations against the jihadists have clearly slowed the growth of their political sway and reduced the scale of their military activity, which peaked in 2009-2011. But these operations are much less effective against the underlying political and social processes that feed the extremism — namely the radicalization of young Muslims in Russia as a whole, and in some of its regions in particular.

Back in the 1990s the jihadists were active only in Chechnya and parts of Dagestan. By now, however, they have established their presence in the rest of the East Caucasus (Dagestan and Ingushetia) and made major gains in the west of the region (Karachayevo-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria, and parts of Stavropol Territory). Their growing activity in the trans-Volga region could also trigger an eruption of violence at any moment.

The Russian government has tried various instruments to deal with this problem. It has been giving support to moderate Islamic leaders; investing in Islamic education; and stimulating the migration of young people from the North Caucasus to central Russia in an effort to "let off demographic steam". The latter tactic, however, has also brought some unintended consequences; cultural differences between ethnic Russians and migrants from the North Caucasus often lead to ethnic tension and clashes all over the country. Meanwhile, corruption in the Russian higher education system has severely undermined the role of universities as "cauldrons of adaptation and integration" for students from the troubled provinces.

As far as the ethnic situation is concerned, internal migration from the North Caucasus has been compounded by mass immigration from the overpopulated Central Asian states of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. This trend started to gain momentum at the turn of the century. Since President Putin took office in 2000, a whole new Muslim community of expatriates from Central Asia has emerged in Russia in addition to the two old ones (the Tatars/Bashkirs and the North Caucasus Muslims).

Despite growing discontent among ethnic Russians, the government in Moscow has no plans for a U-turn on its migration policy. That policy is seen as a major instrument of Russian influence on the Central Asian regimes. By coming to Russia in search of job opportunities, millions of young males from these countries substantially reduce the demographic and social pressure back home, and their remittances support not only their own families but the local economies as well. The Russian business community, which is facing a deficit of cheap unskilled labor, is also a major lobbyist for immigration from Central Asia.

Apart from adding to ethnic tension in central Russia, Central Asian migrants are fertile ground for radical Islamist movements. The Hizb-ut-Tahrir party, which arrived in Russia in the 1990s along with refugees fleeing the Islam Karimov regime in Uzbekistan, began to recruit Russian Muslims in the early 2000s. The party was banned in 2003; nevertheless, it is very active in the Moscow and the Volga-Urals region, despite the arrest and conviction of more than a hundred of its activists. The latest campaign organized by Hizb-ut-Tahrir in Russia was a series of pickets, with protesters accusing the government of oppressing Muslims. The pickets were organized in small oil-producing towns, in larger cities in the Urals and Volga regions, and even on Red Square in Moscow. Several party cells have sprung up in Dagestan, where the first large Hizb-ut-Tahrir rally was held in Khasavyurt in September 2012. Previously, the party's distinct form of Islamist propaganda, which focused on the establishment of a Caliphate in Central Asia, did not get much traction in the Caucasus.

The North Caucasus has been plagued by terrorism for more than 15 years. In the Volga-Urals region, however, the government has so far been able to prevent an escalation of armed violence. There have been a few clashes since late 1999, but the terrorist cells are usually eliminated at the early stages. For example, after the assassination of Valiulla Yakupov, a moderate Muslim leader, and an attempt on the life of the Mufti of Tatarstan, Ildus Faizov, in July 2012, the terrorists who perpetrated the attacks were killed the following autumn. But a radical Islamist underground has already emerged in this strategically important part of Russia, whose territory is crisscrossed by key oil and gas export pipelines and dotted by petrochemical facilities, as well as other vulnerable targets for terrorists. Islamist militants from Central Russia are now fighting for their jihadist cause from Afghanistan to Syria; they also make up the majority of the Russian prisoners currently held in Guantanamo.

Jihadists from the Volga region are especially dangerous because they threaten the critical energy transit infrastructure and industrial facilities concentrated in that part of Russia. "We will punch your pipelines full of holes," ranted the self-proclaimed Emir of Bulgaristan when he claimed responsibility for launching four home-made missiles at the Nizhnekamskneftekhim chemical plant on November 16, 2013.3 "We will attack your oil, petrochemical and strategic facilities. We will derail your passenger trains." The missile attack on the chemical plant failed to inflict any damage. But the Tatarstan province has recently seen a series of arson attacks against Orthodox Christian churches. This looks more Middle Eastern than the methods traditional in the North Caucasus. The government is so concerned that in the autumn of 2012 it restricted travel to the city of Novy Urengoy, a major gas industry center, due to fears of attacks by the various radical groups that have emerged in the region's growing Islamist underground.

Meanwhile, growing pressure by the security forces has prompted Russian jihadists to look beyond Russia's borders for training and getting combat experience. For example, they have been active in Waziristan (northern Pakistan), the traditional stamping ground of the Pakistani Taliban. But the biggest magnet for Russian Islamist militants is probably Syria. The country is closer to southern Russia than Iraq or Afghanistan/Pakistan. There are convenient transit routes available via Turkey. The jihadists can easily hide themselves among the millions of Russian tourists who travel to Turkish resorts every year. Once inside Turkey, they can slip to camps on the Turkish-Syrian border, and then cross to territories controlled by the Syrian rebels.

One important difference between Syria and places such as Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq is that in Syria the jihadists are fighting government forces, not U.S. troops. The Syrian regime has a Soviet-type army, armed with Soviet weapons. It does not have the latest military technologies, and it has no access to attack drones, which are hunting the mujahedeen with deadly efficiency across vast territories from Yemen to Afghanistan. In Syria, the rebels have the political support of not only the Gulf monarchies, but the Western powers as well. That makes life so much easier for the Islamists fighting against Assad.

That is why Syria has become a place where Al Qaeda can recuperate after heavy losses sustained in other parts of the Middle East in recent years. The country has become a safe haven for the military wing of Al Qaeda, the Jabhat al-Nusra, as well as the organization's political and propaganda wing.

What does the Syrian jihad offer radicals from Russia and other CIS states? The benefits are numerous, including:

Experience of urban warfare against Soviet/Russian type armed forces;

Experience of large-scale sabotage and hit-and-run attacks against infrastructure and industrial targets;

Opportunities for networking with global jihadists. In that sense, Syria is playing the role Peshawar did 25 years ago, when the Pakistani city became the home of the "Afghan Arabs" who later formed the core of Al Qaeda.

After the killing of such prominent Saudi commanders as Khattab (in 2002) and his successor Abu al-alid (2004), the numbers of foreign jihadists fighting in Russia began to decline. The Russian secret services then picked off, one by one, the remaining emissaries of foreign extremist organizations. As a result, Russian militant Islamists found themselves cut off from the mainstream of the global jihad. That isolation became especially obvious in 2010-2011.
Now, however, the participation of Russian militants in the Syrian conflict has largely resolved that problem. Even at the propaganda level, such figures as Tarkhan Batirashvili (a.k.a. Umar Shihani, or the Chechen) are now among the most prominent international faces of the global jihad. The same applies to a somewhat lesser extent to Ayrat Vakhitov (a.k.a. Salman Bulgarskiy), a native of Russia's Tatarstan province who spent time in Guantanamo.

Another reason why Syria is important is that the war there has not lived up to the expectations of the foreign mujahedeen. In 2011 and 2012 they flocked to the country in the hope that it would soon become another Libya. They expected a quick victory over the Syrian regime, led by the "heretic" Alawites. But their hopes have been dashed; the Assad regime is still fighting, and the conflict has turned into a war of attrition. The natural rotation process among the foreign militants and veterans has already begun. Some of them are coming back to their home countries, having become all the more dangerous for the connections and combat experience they have gained in Syria.

Estimates of the numbers of Russian jihadists who have fought in Syria range from 200 to 2,000. The government has said on several occasions that 400 Russian extremists have been involved in fighting in the Middle East. Apart from natives of the Russian North Caucasus and the Volga-Urals region, hundreds of militants from Central Asian countries, including Kazakhstan, have also fought against Assad. In view of the growing Central Asian diaspora in Russia, the return of these militants from Syria will further contribute to the radicalization of the Russian Muslim community.

The Russia security forces have scored some major achievements in their campaign against terrorism. Nevertheless, the terrorist threat in Russia remains high. Worse, there is a clear potential for that threat to grow even more deadly thanks to the restoration of contacts between Russian jihadists and Al Qaeda militants fighting in Syria; the return of these Russian jihadists home from Syria; the Russian government's determination to allow an unrestricted flow of migrants from Central Asia; the emergence of terrorist cells in new regions, including the parts of Russia with major oil and gas production or transit infrastructure; and the lack of an effective strategy for de-radicalizing the Russian Muslim community.

1. В контртеррористической операции в Махачкале уничтожены пять боевиков - происшествия, аварии, криминал - Новости - ИА REGNUM

2. В Махачкале убит организатор теракта в Волгограде | РИА Новости

3. YouTube
 

kseeker

Retired
New Member
Joined
Jul 24, 2013
Messages
2,515
Likes
2,126
Ossetia use to be one single region which was divided by the Soviets in North and South and in 1991 Russian federation kept Northern Ossetia and gave Southern Ossetia to Georgia . Russian Federation was not willing to give Independence to any Caucasian republics because of oil reserves and geographical location .And it was a well calculated step which the Russian federation took in 1991 which was a cut off all the other SSR states and keep up the oil profits just for them because to maintain so big country would be like giving everything in free for the other SSR states .

Everything depends on the foreign policy adopted by the Russian Establishment and Caucasian Republics . For sure they would have very good lifes if they are part of Russian Federation and if they will go for Independence then they resources would be looted similar like Iraq and Afghanistan . But here even Russians have to change their approach towards other nations and start giving respect to them instead of insulting and degrading .
What is your thought about following article ?

What Has Really Been
Occurring In The
Russian-Georgian Conflict
A First-Hand Report By An American In Russia
By Byron J. Richards, CCN
NewsWithViews.com
8-15-8

Note: This article was written by a retired Lt.-Col. in the U.S. military, who is currently residing in Russia. His article here helps clear up much of the misinformation people have been fed by the sadistic folks in Washington who are trying to promote WWIII. -ed

In 1991, South Ossetia was promised independence from the Soviet Union, and the Georgian Republic. However, when Georgia became independent it saw an opportunity to grab some land, and the terminals for two major oil pipelines. Since Georgia is essentially bankrupt and an economic basket case, they saw this as a viable option.

It should also be understood that contrary to the 30 years old CIA report that is being circulated, Georgia is now over 60% Moslem, with Moslems controlling the government, and South Ossetia - which is surrounded on three sides by Georgia - is over 80% Orthodox Christian. This is something else that amazes me about Bush's choice of "allies."

They essentially invaded South Ossetia and installed a rather brutal military government. The South Ossetians did not want to be grabbed and they fought back, and in the fighting some Russian cities were damaged just across the border and there were a number of civilian casualties. Russia essentially said "Quit damaging our cities" and sent Russian troops to see that no more Russian cities were damaged. They became the main component in a small international (with Azerbaizhan and Tdjikistan) peacekeeping force in the region.

Comes last Thursday and the Georgians attack the Russians in South Ossetia. Once again, they are trying to isolate and grab those two oil terminals. As a preparatory move to this, they began shelling the Russian forces stationed in the area as peacekeepers...and once again overshot and hit two small Russian towns across the border.

The Russians come in to evacuate the Russian wounded and put fresh troops in place to keep the Georgians and South Ossetians from tearing up Russian cities and killing more Russian civilians in their own country. They also intended to stop a relentless Katucha rocket bombardment and standard artillery bombardment of the South Ossetian capital (which has no military significance) and has already reduced it to a pile of gravel and fine white powder -- with over 2,000 known civilian casualties, mostly the elderly and children.
The Russians tried to send in relief supplies (for all parties) and the Georgians tried to sink the unarmed, civilian transport ship. A Russian Krivak class frigate that was on a routine patrol out of Sevastopol picked up the SOS and responded. An 120 ft. missile boat is not much of a match for a Krivak class frigate... enough said. The result was splinters and an oil slick but not before the freighter had been seriously damaged and sustained numerous casualties.
The UN is sending in supplies, and no one stops them.

Because there is strong reason to believe that the US has been aiding the Georgians in the fight (just over 1,500 "advisors" on the ground from "Blackwater" that are demonstrable, and massive shipments of US arms and ammunition for the past 18 months) the Russians are suspicious of US aid, especially when it comes aboard military ships and airplanes. Comes the day the US sends aid via civilian vessels, the Russians will have no objections and have made it clear that such aid would be welcomed by all parties.

The French president is involved in hammering out a ceasefire that seems to be holding because the Russians and the Georgians and the South Ossetians all feel that he can be impartial because "he ain't got no dog in this fight." Still the Georgians have not completely ceased their offensive. They recently began shelling a Russian column that was withdrawing from South Ossetia along the only serviceable road in the region. They waited until the column was dead in the middle of the town of Gori before opening fire.

The US is fully aware of who started this and why. They are completely aware of who the aggressor is. It is inconceivable to me how Bush can go to Peking and bow down to the COMMUNIST Chinese and have "most favored nation status with both COMMUNIST CHINA and COMMUNIST VIETNAM and at the same time provoke proxy nut-cases like the Georgians and Ukrainians to attack Russia with the tacit support of the US.

At the moment, Bush is threatening to send a naval task force into South Ossetia under the guise of "humanitarian aid" and has "warned" Russia, through whose territorial waters it will pass not to be "belligerent." This is rather hollow to me. I tend to think sending a helicopter carrier and escort vessels into someone else's waters is belligerent in its own right.

How would the US feel if Russia did this in the Gulf of Mexico and "warned" the US not to be "belligerent." I seem to recall a similar incident in 1962 in Cuba.

There is currently a US infantry brigade set to deploy in Georgia and an unknown number of US military personnel set to airlift in with the "aid." The US flew Georgian troops, who took part in the wanton destruction of the South Ossetian capital into Georgia from Iraq on US transport jets. This has all of the makings of a repeat of what happened in Vietnam in '64 when Lyndon used two faked attacks in the Gulf of Tonkin to justify inundating Southeast Asia with US troops. It has "Henry Kissinger" written all over it.

This situation could get dangerous. It seems like Bush is deliberately trying to provoke a major war with Russia and this is a very bad idea. He is obviously believing his own propaganda about how "weak" Russia is and thinks our oil terminals and those in South Ossetia are easy pickings. If the US fires on, or fires at, a Russian vessel of any kind while they're delivering "aid" there is going to be a war. Nothing can stop it. No head of state could sit for it from any country. The same can be said if the reinforced Georgians resume their campaign of laying waste to South Ossetia and one more shell or rocket falls on a Russian town.

The long as short of it is that Russian forces were wantonly attacked and a defenseless city has been severely damaged. It's still going on and yet Russia is being blamed in the US as "over-reacting.

There was NEVER any intent to occupy Georgia or annex any territory for Russia as Condoleezza Rice is trying to have you believe. The entire operation was set off to STOP aggression by Georgia against a legally-mandated peacekeeping force and against defenseless civilians, and that is a demonstrable fact everywhere but in the US.
The US is now "pressuring" Ukraine to "limit" access by Russian naval vessels to a legitimate Russian naval base at Sovastapol and inciting the Ukrainians to further border raids against Russia. This is also demonstrable. It seems that Bush is determined to start a war with the "evil empire" (that only exists in his delusional mind).

US troops are currently landing in Georgia. Estimates are at least one "brigade strength" infantry unit with full equipment. They are joining the
Blackwater and Israeli troops (about 4,000 total) already present. The Bush Naval task force with yet more "aid" is supposedly in route. Whether it will be unchallenged when it enters Russian territorial waters remains to be seen.

What's REALLY Behind The Russia-Georgia Conflict
 

Deccani

Tihar Jail
Banned
Joined
Dec 20, 2013
Messages
467
Likes
108
What is your thought about following article ?

As i said this problem is not with religion but its made to look like that there is a religious problem . Other nations are growing and that growth can be stopped by using the religious angle by certain powers . There have been only 2 blocks since the new world order was established , one was multiculturalism and another race and even now the same is going on .
 

Razor

STABLE GENIUS
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 7, 2011
Messages
7,701
Likes
9,099
Country flag
As i said this problem is not with religion but its made to look like that there is a religious problem . Other nations are growing and that growth can be stopped by using the religious angle by certain powers . There have been only 2 blocks since the new world order was established , one was multiculturalism and another race and even now the same is going on .
To deny that there is a religious element of terrorism in Kavkaz region that is striving for establishment of an Islamic entity in Russian territory, either shows naivety or dubious intentions.
You make it seem as though Islamic terrorism is an illusion or something.

Please create a new thread to discuss your ideas on why Islamic terrorism is an illusion, new world order, etc. Post updates relating to Volgograd blasts here. Thanks.
 
Last edited:

Deccani

Tihar Jail
Banned
Joined
Dec 20, 2013
Messages
467
Likes
108
To deny that there the religious element of terrorism in Kavkaz region that is striving for establishment of an Islamic entity in Russian territory, either shows naivety or dubious intentions.
You make it seem as though Islamic terrorism is an illusion or something.
When Chechnya declared Independence it was done by the Chechen Soviet Soldiers and Provincial government but the Russian Federation was not able to fight them back because the average Russians were so much upset that so much has happened with them and Alexander Litvinenko claimed that FSB were behind the Beslan terrorist attacks but it was was needed by the Russian Federation to retake Chechnya under its Control as it was not part of the plan . Russian army was using religion to get soldiers spirits up lift in the first chechen war and from here only the second generation chechens started adopting religion in their wars .

The whole case was even to give up communism and return back to religion but with certain conditions which was to keep Christianity as state religion because of which other religions got confused .
 
Last edited:

kseeker

Retired
New Member
Joined
Jul 24, 2013
Messages
2,515
Likes
2,126
When Chechnya declared Independence it was done by the Chechen Soviet Soldiers and Provincial government but the Russian Federation was not able to fight them back because the average Russians were so much upset that so much has happened with them and Alexander Litvinenko claimed that FSB were behind the Beslan terrorist attacks but it was was needed by the Russian Federation to retake Chechnya under its Control as it was not part of the plan . Russian army was using religion to get soldiers spirits up lift in the first chechen war and from here only the second generation chechens started adopting religion in their wars .

The whole case was even to give up communism and return back to religion but with certain conditions which was to keep Christianity as state religion because of which other religions got confused .
@Deccani are you an reincarnation of @I-G ?
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top