Dalai Lama's successor a Chinese agent in India?

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That is true many things can happen in the interim.


The electronic reach of the world today is phenomenal and utilising it adroitly, helps in a great way to showcase the message.

One has to see how Egypt is burning thanks to the electronic reach! That is the negative example. Cleverly used, the electronic media can hype a positive message too!

That apart, these days hiring a good Public Relations organisation, many high profile spiritual congresses across the world, adequate finances, overheating the media, acquiring moon eyed sycophants, one can become a spiritual leader of repute. So, to be 'acceptable' as a great spiritual leader is no great shakes, if the organisation to become so and the hype is cleverly finetuned.



There are good reasons to do so. The GoI is of the firm opinion that Ugyen Trinley Dorje (Karmapa to some) is China's 'strategic asset'. The GoI is careful not to declare him a spy. Ugyen was was enthroned as the Karmapa, the spiritual head of the Karma Kagyu sect at the Tsurphu monastery in Tibet by the Chinese in 1992. The ceremony was performed allegedly by Tai Situ Rinpoche, the third Regent of the Rumtek Monastery. The interesting part is that Tai Situ Rinpoche went to China in 1982 and hung around there till 1990 as the main architect in implementing a plan in concert with the Chinese Communist Govt, to rebuild monasteries in Tibet. Given the dislike of the Chinese for these Tibetan lamas and keeping a sharp eye on their activities, to assist and plan Tibetan identity renaissance is a bit suspicious. It must be remembered that the Chinese are known to assist those who obey the rules and dictates of the CCP. Independence from the control of the Chinese Govt is not accepted as was the case with the Falun Gong movement.

The result for the GoI will be in the interest of the country. Ugyen's refugee status will be up for review. He will not be arrested for unaccounted cash in huge quantity and instead will be deported. Most probably Ugyen will return to China or will be accommodated in the West, who will ensure that he becomes their tool against the Chinese. Therefore, the worry is for the Chinese Govt and not that for India.



Of course, one major Tibetan Lama is pro Chinese. But there are four contestant to the claim of Karmapa. Therefore, it is a non issue for the Indian Govt. While every Tibetan crossing over cannot be a Chinese spy, yet those who show inclination towards the Chinese, would be taken to be in league with China and necessary action is taken. The interesting part is that those who are deported head for the West. Unfortunately for them, unlike the lax Indian system and law, the West brooks no nonsense. Hence, the Tibetans who are pro Chinese, when they go to the West, get enamoured by the Western luxuries and become Western tools against the Chinese. Likewise, Urgyen will become a prize catch for the West, when he is deported with all the niceties kept in mind.

After the Dalai Lama goes, Tibet will be up for a massive upheaval. There are many Tibetans (who were born outside Tibet) who are aflame and some even question the Dalai Lama's pacifist approach. I presume they will move in and with the US taking more than usual interest in encircling China, they would be willing tools in the US' game plan.



Tibetans are well aware that they are not citizens of India and that they have refugee status and that mean deportation. They are doing rather well in India and they are not too keen to have a second migration!



Not quite.

I think the headache will be of China when Urgyen moves to the West, where the opportunity to understand the goodness of life is far greater than either India or China!

Lastly, Urgyen's 'escape' from Tibet was too theatrical to be believed.
Well, my friend, in this case, you need to think of politics and religion instead of economic factors. Economically, most of tibetans are living a better life in China than in India. But for those who were crossing the border, they don't care. They just gave up all these for their god. So, rich or poor wouldn't change their attitude towards CCP or China. CCP knows this and accepts this. All it wants is to minimize the influences of these exile tibetans globally. There is nothing else could do better than the interal struggle among these exile tibetans.

Now with the help of GOI, Karmapa's oppisition has found a good reason to reject him: how can an chinese spy be our leader. On the other hand, his supporter would see this as an insult to their god as there is no solidate evidence to support this claim. Today, they have Dalai Lama who can unify them. After Dalai lama is gone, there will be no common acknowledged leader to unify them: some will still support Karmapa because he is their god; some will want a democraticaly elected leader; and I believe most of them would want a new Dalai Lama. But who has the authority to select the Dalai Lama? Traditionally, each living buddha should get another reputable living buddha's acknowledge. Since Banchan has been under the control of CCP, the only potential candidate for this role would be Karmapa. But now he is not suitable for this any more because his own reputation is being questioned. So, without a living Buddha's acknowledge, the next Dalai Lama would be weak and always questioned by someone.
 

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Well, my friend, in this case, you need to think of politics and religion instead of economic factors. Economically, most of tibetans are living a better life in China than in India. But for those who were crossing the border, they don't care. They just gave up all these for their god. So, rich or poor wouldn't change their attitude towards CCP or China. CCP knows this and accepts this. All it wants is to minimize the influences of these exile tibetans globally. There is nothing else could do better than the interal struggle among these exile tibetans.

Now with the help of GOI, Karmapa's oppisition has found a good reason to reject him: how can an chinese spy be our leader. On the other hand, his supporter would see this as an insult to their god as there is no solidate evidence to support this claim. Today, they have Dalai Lama who can unify them. After Dalai lama is gone, there will be no common acknowledged leader to unify them: some will still support Karmapa because he is their god; some will want a democraticaly elected leader; and I believe most of them would want a new Dalai Lama. But who has the authority to select the Dalai Lama? Traditionally, each living buddha should get another reputable living buddha's acknowledge. Since Banchan has been under the control of CCP, the only potential candidate for this role would be Karmapa. But now he is not suitable for this any more because his own reputation is being questioned. So, without a living Buddha's acknowledge, the next Dalai Lama would be weak and always questioned by someone.
Comrade/ Tongzhi, economy is the last thing on the mind of the average Indian or even the average Tibetan in India.

While like any other people in the world, Indians and Tibetans in India would be delighted to have more cash in the pocket, but unlike what I see of the Chinese posters, money is NOT EVERYTHING for Indians and Tibetans in India. Religion and politics in a democratic manner has an equal, if not more important a place, more so the former. A beautiful bird in a gilded (made out of gold) cage, denied the freedom of individual existence is not a very pleasant cup of tea. Tibetans may have a better living these days in Tibet but then to quite a few of them, the systematic obliteration of their roots abhors and so they leave Tibet for greener pastures in India. However, that does not mean that all Tibetans coming to India are altruistic in their aim. Many are Chinese agents slipped in to check see what the Dalai Lama is at, apart from intelligence gathering activities. Most dangerous is the settling of the Tibetan refugees along the border. How many are genuine and how many are Chinese plants who are to play a role in the Chinese design on our border, both in times of peace and war is the worrying aspect. Having a religious leader slipped in amongst them is sort of a coup d'grâce. Ideal for intersect rivalry too to weaken the struggle!

The Dalai Lama has recognised the Karmapa and so the issue of infighting apparently is not there. What one has to remember that when there is a Cause, all factions unite. Take the case of Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood has united with the liberal, the seculars, the Coptic Christians and all. Their Cause is One!

The danger lies when the Dalai Lama is no more. It is not the internal squabbles which worry. It is the hotheaded Tibetans who have understood the world beyond the pacifism of the Dalai Lama. If they use India as their base for activities against the Chinese in Tibet, it would unnecessarily draw India into a fracas not of India's choosing.

Panchen Lama is not consequential to the Tibetans in India, He is taken to be already compromised and as a Chinese agent,
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I do not understand as to how the Karmapa is the successor to the Dalai Lama.

He is from the Kagyu Sect.

The Dalai lama is from the Gelug sect.
This is puzzling to me too. There're many factions in Lama-ism. Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama belong to Gelug - We simply call it "Yellow" denomination. And Karmapa Lama is Kagyu (simply "White" sect). There're other factions among themselves, Red, Black, and Misc. (LoL). Yuan Dynasty propped up YELLOW faction. Then YELLOW gained popularity since then. But even among the same YELLOW Dalai and Panchen (or their mass 'followers') couldn't resist those temptations to laymen like me - power, land, treasures... They were rivaling against one another for a long long time. In the end Panchen had to flee and seek assistance from Nanking ROC until PRC reinstated Panchen back in Tibet.

In my snobbish mind, Dalai and Karmapa, of two different sects, are promoting their 'spiritual products' among the same target "consumers", distinctively as "competitors". Besides Lama's incarnations have to follow strict procedures. How could Dalai simply nominate a 'rival' as his successor despite "Dharma" or whatever they claim to abide by ostensibly?
 

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How could Dalai simply nominate a 'rival' as his successor despite "Dharma" or whatever they claim to abide by ostensibly?
It is not too far out to guess.

Someone has to take over and who has stature.

However, politics is not too far from all this as I feel.

This is also interesting to note:
25-yr-old first Tibetan to be Indian citizen:

HANDIGARH: Thousands of Tibetans born in India between 1950 and 1986 may have a reason to cheer. They can now become Indian citizens under the Citizenship (Amendment) Act 1986. These Tibetans have 25-year-old Namgyal Dolkar to thank, who although born in India was declined citizenship and termed 'stateless'.

Dolkar became the first Tibetan to get Indian citizenship after Delhi High Court ruled in her favour last month. ''I am a Tibetan at heart, but now I am an Indian citizen. I believe one should be aware of one's rights, and I got my rights due to my awareness,'' she told TOI.

Dolkar is no ordinary Tibetan. She is the oldest of four siblings who claim descent from Tibet's 33rd King Songtsen Gampo, ruler of Tibet in the 7th century. In June 2004, during a coronation ceremony presided over by the Dalai Lama, her younger brother, Namgyal Wangchuk Trichen Lhagyari, was ordained descendent of the first dharma King Songtsen Gampo.
So, all options are being kept open?



I think the Karmapa is from the Black Hats.
 
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China: Officials Say Tibetan Lama Is Not a Chinese Spy as India Says
As is the wont to say 'don't believe anything until it is officially denied'.The 17th karmapa's swashbuckling escapade from Chinese authorities round the clock surveillance was something Indian authorities didn't bite into to so easily,even after all these years,all the more because he is one of the rare Tibetan religious heads who has been approved by the Tibetan leadership i exile and the Chinese communist party.Let the truth come out whatever it may be.
 

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China gains from India's Tibetan bungle-Asia Times Online

China is looking on with a certain amount of satisfaction as India bungles the management of a key anti-China strategic asset - the Tibetan emigre and indigenous ethnic Tibetan Buddhist communities in north India - with a high-profile, borderline xenophobic campaign against the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje, a young monk widely viewed as the designated successor to the Dalai Lama as the symbol of Tibetan culture, religion and national aspirations.

Indian newspapers have been filled with accusations of financial misconduct, intention to evade currency and real estate laws, and, most provocatively, the claim that the Karmapa is a Chinese mole, receiving bricks of Chinese cash that he intended to use to establish a string of pro-Chinese monasteries on the Indian side of the border.

In the West - which tends to take a relatively simplistic view ofemigre Tibetan affairs and the dharma-loving purity of Tibetan Buddhist monks - the plight of the Karmapa has been a bewildering shock. But from the perspective of emigre Tibetan politics and Indian security policy, the campaign against the Karmapa is not very surprising.

From the outside, the story of the Karmapa, known as Ogyen Trinley Dorje, is a recapitulation of the heroic foundation myth of the Tibetan emigre community personified by the 14th Dalai Lama.

Ogyen Trinley Dorje was identified and confirmed inside the People's Republic of China (PRC) as the reincarnation of the Karmapa, the head of the Kagyu sect of Tibetan Buddhism, as a child in 1992. In 1999 he escaped to freedom, appearing in Dharmsala, India, where he was embraced by the Dalai Lama. The charismatic young monk was promptly identified by many Tibetan emigres in Dharmsala and foreigner supporters of the Tibetan cause as a worthy successor to the Dalai Lama as Tibetan Buddhism's ambassador to the world.

This happy tale is, unfortunately, only part of the story.

The story of the Karmapa is also the story of violent, bloody and sometimes fatal struggles within Tibetan Buddhism, within the Kagyu sect itself, and the determination of India's security establishment to control Tibetan Buddhist affairs in the sensitive border regions.

There is little love lost between the Kagyu sect and the Dalai Lama's Gelugpa sect.

The Dalai Lama claims political and doctrinal ascendancy over the other Tibetan Buddhist sects by virtue of the Gelugpa sect's political dominance of Lhasa and the Tibetan heartland since the 17th century. The stated hierarchy is Dalai Lama first, followed by the Panchen Lama, and the Karmapa in third place.

The Kagyu sect - also known as the Black Hat sect by virtue of the magical headgear woven of goddess hair worn by the Karmapa on ceremonial occasions - disputes the presumption of the Dalai Lama to speak on its behalf. Kagyu adherents point out that the Karmapa holds precedence as a reincarnation over the Dalai Lama since the Karmapa reincarnation was initiated over 100 years before the first Dalai Lama was enthroned. The seat of the Karmapa was the Tsurpha monastery inside the present-day PRC; the 16th Karmapa fled to Sikkim with the Kagyu sect's most important regalia and treasures, and established an imposing new seat called Rumtek a few miles outside the Sikkimese capital of Gangtok.

This institutional friction was exacerbated in the 1960s when the Dalai Lama's decidedly un-Buddhist brother, Gyalo Thondup - who was the US Central Intelligence Agency liaison for the secret war against the Chinese occupation of Tibet - spearheaded the creation of a "united front" that would centralize the control of the fractious emigre community and sects under the control of the government in exile in Dharmsala. The other sects were apparently loathe to bow to Gelugpa control and formed their own political organization, the "Fourteen Settlements" group under the leadership of Gungthang Tsultrim.

In 1977, Gungthang was assassinated. His assassin allegedly told police that he had been paid $35,000 to commit the crime by the government-in-exile, and further alleged that he had been promised a bounty of double that amount to kill the current Karmapa. [1]

Efforts to centralize control of the emigre community collapsed, leaving a residue of bad feeling between Gelugpa and Kagyu leaders.

The situation was complicated by a split within the Kagyu sect itself upon the death of the 16th Karmapa in 1981.The conflict boils down to the rivalry between two Rinpoche in the Kagyu order, Tai Situ Rinpoche and Shamar Rinpoche ("Rinpoche" is an honorific typically applied to reincarnated lamas).

They have battled for decades over control of Rumtek and its ecclesiastical and worldly treasures (which are now in legal limbo; Indian courts have awarded control to a trust established by Shamar Rinpoche, but the local government has not taking the politically traumatic step of evicting the partisans of Tai Situ Rinpoche, who actually occupy the facility).

They also continue to battle over the very identity of the 17th Karmapa.

Tai Situ Rinpoche claimed to have found a secret note from the 16th Karmapa that directed him to the boy subsequently acknowledged by the Dalai Lama and enthroned in 1992 as Ogyen Trinley Dorje, the 17th Karmapa.

Shamar Rinpoche had none of that, asserting that a dream led him to a different Karmapa, one Trinley Thaye Dorje, whom he quietly brought to India from the PRC and enthroned in 1994.

Adherents of Shamar Rinpoche consider Ogyen Trinley Dorje's acknowledgement by the Dalai Lama as a piece of low, Gelugpa skullduggery. An America student of Shamar Rinpoche, Erik Curren, wrote a book on the Karmapa controversy titled "Buddha's Not Smiling". Talking to Asia Times, Mr Curren characterized the elevation of Ogyen Trinley Dorje as a virtual coup d'etat against the Kagyu sect by the Dalai Lama, with the intention of elevating an easily-manipulated son of nomads to the position of Karmapa.

Shamar Rinpoche's followers have also hinted that a neutral Rinpoche was murdered during the trip to Tibet to find Ogyen Trinley Dorje so he wouldn't complicate the selection process. They have also alleged that the young man now in Dharmsala isn't even Ogyen Trinley Dorje at all.

They claim that the real Ogyen Trinley Dorje was afflicted by a learning disability that rendered him incapable of performing the duties of the Karmapa; therefore, according to the accusation, Tai Situ Rinpoche introduced an impostor, an older relation of the boy, to take his place.

Allegedly, this boy was too old to be the reincarnation of the 16th Karmapa (he would have been born before the previous Karmapa passed on); the records of the medical examination performed upon his arrival in India - that would have demonstrated that his "organs" were too developed to be consistent with his stated age - have, in the best conspiratorial tradition, disappeared.

The most useful accusation against Ogyen Trinley Dorje - one that attracted the close and hostile attention of the Indian security apparatus-is that his patron, Tai Situ Rinpoche, is colluding with the PRC to extend Chinese influence into India's Himalayan border regions.

The Indian views on Tai Situ Rinpoche are laid out in a secret memo dated 1997 from India's Chief Secretary in Sikkim, K Sreedhar Rao, to the Indian cabinet on the issues involved in the struggle between Tai Situ Rinpoche and Shamar Rinpoche to control and occupy Rumtek.

As reproduced as an appendix in Mr Curren's book, Rao's suspicions concerning Tai Situ Rinpoche are manifest.

The first major area of concern is that, after Tai Situ Rinpoche identified the Karmapa, he took him to Tsurphu Monastery, the traditional seat of the Kagyu sect inside China, where he was enthroned with the support of the Chinese government, and received a "highly visible, ostentatious reception" in Lhasa. Indeed, Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the only major Tibetan religious figure acknowledged both by the Chinese government and the Dalai Lama.

The report goes on:
The Chinese Connection And Role Of Tai Situ Rinpoche
It would appear from the above that Tai Situ Rinpoche group had wittingly or unwittingly played into the hands of the Chinese. However, reports indicate that the Tai Situ who is a Tibetan national, had been visiting )Tibet on and off and in 1984~85 he traveled extensively and drafted a program for so-called development of his country ... What is noteworthy is that throughout his report he talks about friendly connections between the Chinese and the people of other countries, study of the Chinese language and study of Chinese medicine. He talks about Chinese in the most friendly terms referring to the Chinese as Chinese brothers. He talks about Chinese brothers living abroad as well.

He talks about the autonomous region of Tibet and indicates that his plan has the honest intention to benefit the people of China and in particular the autonomous region of Tibet, Sitron, Yunnan, Gangshuo, etc. He profusely thanks the two leaders of China, namely, Hu Yao Ban and Deng Xiao Peng as well as other leaders of China for their excellent political stance. The report of Tai Situ Rinpoche is addressed to the Director of Chinese Communist Government. All this indicates that Tai Situ had built up a good relationship with the Chinese possibly from 1984.

It would be appropriate to consider the Chinese interest in this entire matter at this stage. ...It is not inconceivable that having established their right to recognize the reincarnates, the Chinese would not hesitate to identify the successor to the present Dalai Lama, when the time comes ... It is also important to note that along the entire Himalayan belt right from Ladakh to Arunachal Pradesh the influence of Tibetan Lamaistic Buddhism is extensive with a string of monasteries.

It is reported that the Chinese have been making efforts to penetrate into these monasteries and as of now no less than eleven monasteries are headed by Lamas who car: be considered as proteges of China. It would be most undesirable to allow the Chinese to extend their influence in this manner and it is in this context that the present situation in Rumtek needs to be carefully viewed. [2]
A 1998 suit filed by a follower of Shamar Rinpoche further accused Tai Situ Rinpoche-and the Dalai Lama and his brother-of scheming to seize Rumtek, destabilize Sikkim, and hand it over to the Chinese. [3]

Certainly, beyond pleasant Buddhist platitudes concerning universal brotherhood, Tai Situ Rinpoche has made no secret of his efforts to re-establish his position inside Tibet with the help of the Chinese government.

He has rebuilt his traditional seat, Palpung Monastery, in western Sichuan province. His lavish website offers gorgeous views of the monastery and states that 300 students and 50 monks reside there.

For its part, the Chinese government appears to encourage the establishment of Tibetan organizations overseas that are affiliated with partisans of Tai Situ Rinpoche and promote Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the Karmapa.

In India, Tai Situ Rinpoche's reception has been less friendly. The Indian government banned him from entry into India from 1994 to1998 (he travels under a Bhutanese passport). His travel to the Himalayan border regions is restricted to Himachal Pradesh, where the Tibetan government in exile is located, and where his main facility inside India, Palpung Sherabling, is located. He cannot travel to the Northeast, Jammu/Kashmir, or Sikkim, where Rumtek is located. [4]

In a striking contrast to Western perception of Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the adored heir apparent to the Dalai Lama, the Indian government actively restricts his movements as well. In addition to limitations on his domestic travel - he has tried to visit Sikkim on several occasions but been refused - the Indian government blocked his attempt to go to Europe and make a second trip to the United States in 2010.

With the Dalai Lama aging, it may have become a matter of some urgency to the Indian government that Ogyen Trinley Dorje not enhance his prestige, political influence, and financial clout in the West, thereby placing his perceived pro-Chinese patron,Tai Situ Rinpoche, near the heart of the emigre Tibetan movement.

But even if his access to support in the West was restricted, there was still the issue of the insistent and unwelcome pressure from Ogyen Trinley Dorje's well-organized and financed supporters inside Sikkim, demanding that he be allowed to enter Rumtek. In September 2010 the "Joint Action Committee" organized 30,000 people - the largest gathering in the history of Sikkim - demanding the Karmapa's return, raising the dismaying specter of organized, determined opposition to Indian objectives in yet another sensitive border area. [5]

The Indian government abhors the idea of Tai Situ Rinpoche acquiring the prestige and wealth of Rumtek and its affiliated facilities around the world-reputed, and undoubtedly with exaggeration, to exceed $1 billion-and with it an independent pro-Chinese presence in Sikkim.

An interesting indication of burgeoning Indian hostility toward Ogyen Trinley Dorje may have come in January 2011 with the reported downgrading of his security classification from the coveted z+ (the prestigious highest classification, involving 36 personnel) on the grounds that the large resulting motorcade improperly implied the Karmapa's parity with the Dalai Lama.

When the blow fell, it was courtesy of the provincial government of Himachal Pradesh, run by the Hindu-chauvinist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) party. After a car belonging to an associate of the Karmapa was inspected on January 26 (itself perhaps an indication of heightened scrutiny), revealing a suitcase of cash, the Karmapa's residence - the Gyuto Tantric Buddhist and University - was raided. The eager Indian press was deluged with information concerning the suspicious mounds of cash - allegedly worth US$1 million if the face value of supposedly counterfeit rupees was counted - found in the residence, including the equivalent of over one hundred thousand US dollars in yuan notes.

Thukchuk Lachungpa, a spokesman for a pro-Ogyen Trinly Dorje organization in Sikkim, provided a detailed and rather persuasive rebuttal to the charges in a live chat on IBN. [6]

But the Indian media was hungry for red meat, and the Indian government was happy to put Ogyen Trinley Dorje on the menu.

The local prosecutor stated he was "not happy" with the Karmapa's reply to his 50 queries. [7]

Then the government declared that the land on which the Karmapa's temporary residence stood had actually been acquired illegally. [8]

The anti-Karmapa wind in the Indian press continued with the Times of India reporting that crucial medical records - that might have revealed the Karmapa as an over-age imposter - had vanished. [9]

India's The Telegraph provided the insinuations-or trial balloons - from inside the Indian government concerning the Karmapa's possible arrest and deportation as a Chinese "agent of influence":
New Delhi, Feb. 3:
The government is not ruling out the arrest of Ugyen Trinley Dorje, though sources said the external affairs ministry would have a major say on any such move regarding the controversial 26-year-old India believes is China's "strategic asset".

The sources said if charges were pressed, Dorje could face arrest and deportation.

But to arrest Dorje, state police would have to first take Delhi's consent because the matter concerns a foreign national.

Delhi suspects the money seized from Dorje's residence was meant to set up China-friendly Tibetan institutions in the Indian Himalayan region but is weighing its options aware of the sensitivity of the issue.

The government believes Dorje is a "strategic asset" of Beijing, which "stage-managed" his headline-making "escape" from Tibet to India in January 2000.

"We are not saying he is a spy but is certainly a strategic asset for Beijing," said an intelligence official.
Himachal Pradesh's top cop, Director General of Police D S Manhas, made it clear that more than an investigation into currency irregularities was at work. He made an effort to tie together all the strands - Karmapa, Tai Situ Rinpoche, the Chinese, and sinister Western adherents - into one web:
He said that Tai Situ Rinpoche, who stood third in the Kagyu hierarchy, after the 16th Karmapa and Samar Rinpoche came to India in 1998, after a gap of about four years. "The Govt of India vide its letter of 4 Aug 1998 to the chief secretaries of J & K [Jammu and Kashmir], Sikkim, Manipur, Assam, Meghalaya, Tripura, Nagaland, Arunachal and Mizoram specifically mentioned that his entry be debarred into their states", he claimed.

Asserting that the obvious reason for banning his entry into these states, except perhaps J & K, could be because of his alleged Chinese connection and that he may ferment [sic] trouble in these states, as there was a controversy over the 17th Karmapa, he said that he is now said to be the teacher of Ugyen Trinlay Dorje.

"Besides, when the Govt of India refused permission to the 17th Karmapa to move to Rumtek, Ugyen Trinlay Dorje sent another request that he be allowed to move to Tserabling monastery, which is owned by Tai Situ, but even that permission was refused", he maintained.

"Incidentally, though Tai Situ is Tibetan, he travels all over on a diplomatic passport issued by the government of Bhutan. How he got it, is anybody's guess", he added.

He said that though it was said that the 16th Karmapa had not left behind a "perdiction [sic] letter", Tai Situ claimed to have a copy of the letter, on the basis of which he found Ugyen Trinlay Dorje and was instrumental in his anointment as the 17th Karmapa, which was even recognized by Beijing. "This is the only instance when a high profile Tibetan lama has been recognized by Beijing, and taken to Beijing with his family", he said.

The DGP said that according to the People's Daily, a Chinese daily, the 17th Karmapa at the closure of an official function in Beijing even shouted 'long live People's Republic of China', which indicates that perhaps he had been indoctrinated by the government of that country.

He said that another important factor was that a German national, Roslia Findeisen, a close associate of Tai Situ was externed from India on 28th Nov 1993, allegedly for her Chinese links, but when one Chen Luaan, a politician from Taiwan having pro-People's Republic of China leanings came to India, she also managed to come to the country and meet him.

Manhas said that the main concern of the Himachal Pradesh Police is why is the People's Republic of China is interested in setting up Tibetan monasteries across the Himalayan states close to the border and if there are any linkages or leanings of certain people in these monasteries with the country, as the recovery of the large number of yuan suggests. [10]
A report by the news agency DNA revealed that police had seized Chinese SIM cards - and that the Indian government had been intercepting the Karmapa's phone calls:

Even as enforcement directorate (ED) officials grilled Ogyen Trinley Dorje and his staff for over five hours on Tuesday, seeking details of the foreign currency recovered from his monastery, it has been testified that the 17th karmapa was in "constant touch with the Chinese authorities" and his prolonged stay in Himachal Pradesh "could be a security threat".

Regardless of the denial by the Chinese government, senior officials have found evidence in recorded phone conversations that the Tibetan monk, who had made a mysterious entry to the country in 2000, has maintained close ties with China.

Almost all monasteries run by the karmapa are located in strategically-sensitive areas where there are key army and air force installations.

Himachal Pradesh CM Prem Kumar Dhumal is believed to have briefed Union home minister P Chidambaram in Delhi on Tuesday.

Of the five sim cards recovered from the karmapa's monastery, three are Chinese, and officials said "it has been established beyond doubt that the karmapa's advice was taken by the Chinese government from time to time on monasteries coming up in Beijing".

"The taped conversations also show that the karmapa has been discussing Indian government's plans about Tibetans in exile and other related policy issues," a senior officer said. [11]
The Himachal Pradesh government may have been out in front of the instinctively cautious national leadership of Manmohan Singh and his Congress Party, or executing a strategy that the center approved of, albeit in a dismayingly clumsy fashion.

In any case, there was little indication that New Delhi objected to the high-profile pursuit of the Karmapa. RAW - the Research and Analysis Wing, India's CIA - and IB (the central government's Intelligence Bureau) descended on Dharmsala and participated in the Kharmapa's interrogation. According to the local inspector general, the central government's Enforcement Directorate decided to proceed with the investigation of the Karmapa's possible violation of currency laws. The Enforcement Directorate appeared in Dharmsala and highlighted the foreign menace, according to the Times of India:

"We know of four-five major monasteries in the northeast and Ladakh where we have seen significant money coming from Chinese individuals," a senior official said. Among the monasteries receiving Chinese funding are those in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim. "The funding comes from Chinese individuals and not any state agencies," the official said.

Another official said they also had evidence of unaccounted money flowing in a big way into various high profile monasteries from American and European sources. [12]
Perhaps because of the ad hoc nature of the assault by the Himachal Pradesh government, or because of the serial ineptitude of the Indian government in dealing with border security, ethnic, and confessional issues, the authorities were apparently unprepared to deal with an outburst of anger from the Tibetan emigre community and from indigenous Indian Buddhists.

Mass demonstrations were organized both in Dharmsala and in Sikkim, the site of the Rumtek monastery. (At the protest in Sikkim on February 5, the organizers took time out to burn Erik Curren's book, Buddha is Smiling, another indication of the bad blood between Tai Situ and Shamar Rinpoche adherents.) [13]

Pro-Ogyen Trinley Dorje activists in Sikkim dispatched a 425-person delegation to New Delhi to protest. Tibetan NGOs-including representatives of virtually all of the more militant, viscerally anti-Chinese secular Tibetan independence organizations-and distinguished activists such as Tsering Woeser and Tenzin Tsundue went on the record deploring the Indian moves against the Karmapa. The Dalai Lama and the parliament of the Tibetan government-in-exile spoke out in support of Ogyen Trinley Dorje.

Behaving more like a minister in Egypt than an official in the world's largest democracy, on February 4, Himachal Pradesh's Chief Minister Prem Kumar Dhumal "yesterday appealed devotees and followers of the 17th Gyalwang Karmapa not to carry out solidarity processions for the Buddhist leader saying it might cause law and order situation in his state." [14]

Faced with an outpouring of anger from the very same Tibetan Buddhist polities that New Delhi was trying to control and direct, the central government reportedly backed down, advising the Himachal Pradesh authorities to "go slow". [15]

What the cash/Karmapa controversy has revealed, more than the fraught nature of succession to the Dalai Lama's role as spokesperson for Tibetan aspirations, or the ugly state of affairs within the Kagyu sect, is the clumsy attempts of the Indian government to manage the affairs of the Tibetan Buddhist communities inside India.

Their efforts have not received a great deal of effective help from Shamar Rinpoche or his protege, Trinley Thaye Dorje. Despite their freedom to travel domestically and internationally (Shamar Rinpoche is a US citizen), the two Buddhist reincarnations have been relatively ineffective in mobilizing grass-roots support for themselves.

Whether this reflects Shamar Rinpoche's laser focus on the dharma, his obliviousness to anything beyond his desire to wrest control of Rumtek from Tai Situ Rinpoche, or a willingness to let the Indian government do his dirty work for him, his cause has become marginalized among Tibetan Buddhists inside India.

Ogyen Trinley Dorje, the alleged Chinese agent of influence, has wrapped himself in the mantle of the Dalai Lama, cautiously criticized China, and become the focus of the hopes of independence activists to reconcile the religious and secular forces in the emigre community after the Dalai Lama's passing. Shamar Rinpoche and Trinley Thaye Dorje, on the other hand, have done nothing to align themselves with the anti-Chinese nationalist aspirations of the Tibetan emigres.

In an interview with an Indian news agency, Shamar Rinpoche provided little more than a dismissive shrug on the issue of the Chinese occupation of Tibet:
While Tibetan activists around the world seek greater support for their cause, the Shamarpa, the top monk of one of the oldest Tibetan schools of Buddhism, believes that too much international pressure on China may only make things worse for the community.

According to the revered monk, who forms the second line of reincarnation of Karma Kargyu order of Tibetan Buddhism, emergence of China as a strong power is a fact that Tibetans can do nothing about, and should hence take steps towards reconciliation, rather than pinning hopes on global support.

"Internationally, I don't think pressure is good ... China is becoming very powerful, and more pressure will only explode things," the 14th Shamarpa Mipham Chokyi Lodro, told PTI in an interview.

US President Barack Obama's visit to China in November last year had left disappointed many who felt he could have used it to press for better human rights situation in Tibet.

However, the Shamarpa says, "there is hardly anything anybody can do about it". [16]
Shamar Rinpoche's proposed solution to the Karmapa controversy has also done little to rally support for his position.

He proposes that there be two Karmapas: Ogyen Trinley Dorje takes over the traditional Kagyu seat at Tsurphu, inside the PRC, while his candidate, Trinely Thaye Dorje, takes over Rumtek. On one level this looks like a reasonable, Solomonic split-the-baby approach that avoids an embarrassing open repudiation of the Dalai Lama's endorsement. On another level, it looks like an backhanded acknowledgement of the essential meaninglessness of the supposedly sacrosanct Karmapa selection process, a snide reference to Tai Situ Rinpoche's China links, and a somewhat self-serving proposal that Ugyen Trinley Dorje be given suzerainty over the bombed out rubble of Tsurphu while Shamar Rinpoche and Trinley Thaye Dorje enjoy the prestige, wealth, and power associated with Rumtek.

Shamar Rinpoche adherents claim that the persistent pressure and large demonstrations in Sikkim - which have forced an apparently unwilling Sikkimese government to frequently if insincerely petition New Delhi to permit the return of Ogyen Trinly Dorje - are externally-financed exercises in Astroturfing orchestrated by Tai Situ Rinpoche.

However, the fact remains that Ogyen Trinley Dorje has the Dalai Lama, the government-in-exile, Dharmsala's secular NGOs, an aggressive local organization in Sikkim, and, quite probably, a majority of Kagyu followers on his side. Trinley Thaye Dorje's support - concentrated among the fraction of top Kagyu lamas loyal to Shamar Rinpoche and within the Indian government and intelligence establishment - is virtually invisible by comparison.

Professor Dibyesh Anand of London's University of Westminster, the author of 'Geopolitical Exotica: Tibet in Western Imagination' told Asia Times Online:

The problem with Indian strategic thinking on Tibet is that is often short-termist. Clearly, it is in Indian nationalist interest to either keep out of the reincarnation controversy, or persuade the rivals to resolve it once and for all, or to even back Ogyen Thinley Dorje [Ogyen Trinley Dorje]. Those who believe that Indian national interest will be served by supporting Shamarpa-backed Karmapa, while the Dalai Lama, most of other religious leaders, and Tibetans support Ogyen Thinley Dorje, are delusional.
Now the Indian government - which is currently dealing with the fallout from its catastrophically botched handling of border and nationality issues in Kashmir and the neighboring nation of Nepal - can add anger and distrust in the Tibetan emigre community in Himachal Pradesh and organized hostility among Buddhists in Sikkim to its list of self-inflicted wounds.

In a commentary for the Hindustan Times, Anand wrote:
The Indian media's onslaught on the Karmapa will only reaffirm Tibetan respect for the Karmapa. But it will certainly backfire for India as followers of Tibetan Buddhism in exile, in the border regions, in Tibet and in the rest of the world, will resent this humiliation of the religious figure. Had it been the Shahi Imam or Baba Ramdev, would the media have taken such liberties in going to town with such an unconfirmed story?

Hardline officials in China must be laughing their heads off at the Indian media circus. They know that this will not only create confusion in the exiled Tibetan community in India, but will also create a disenchantment about India among Tibetans inside China ... we must not forget that the exiled lamas provide a stability and keep the people in the borderlands pacified in a manner more effective than the Indian military. Tibetans are over-generous with their gratitude to their Indian hosts and are hesitant in reminding India of a small inconvenient truth: until 1951, the disputed border regions were neither Chinese nor Indian but Tibetan. In return, the very least Indians could do is not malign Tibetan religious leaders before they are even proved guilty of their misdemeanor. Is that too much to ask? [17]
An apparent Indian answer is the reported plan by the Hamachal Pradesh government to "set up an investigation wing to keep a tab on the activities of the 27,542 Tibetan exiles settled mainly in and around Dharamsala," in the words of the news agency DNA - in other words, apparently treat them as a potential Chinese fifth column. [18]

Phayul amplified:

[Chief Minister of Himachal Pradesh] Mr Dhumal also reportedly told the chief ministers' conference on internal security here that he has asked the prime minister to clarify whether the Tibetans were 'exiles or our guests'.

"The state government will set up Tibetan Refugee Unit (TR Unit) in state intelligence department to effectively monitor activities of 27,542 Tibetan refugees living in the state," he said, according to a statement from Himachal Bhawan.

Dhumal also said the state government will set up Tibetan Refuge Cell at Dharamshala in consultation with the Ministry of Home Affairs and Ministry of External Affairs.

The refugee unit would be set up in consultation with the union ministries of home affairs and external affairs, the official statement said. [19]
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If the Karmapa's seat and all the trapping of office and seals of power is now in Rumtek, then why was the successor installed in Tibet with the blessings of the Chinese Govt?

The Black Hats and Yellow Hats (the Dalai Lama) have different path and therefore Dalai Lama's recognition is not material as it is the Black Hats who have to accept/ reject the Karmapa.

The difference between the sects have always been there and there has been no conflict of interest. Therefore, the contention that there will be conflicts maybe misplaced.

The Chinese Karmapa should go to the USA.
 
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If the Karmapa's seat and all the trapping of office and seals of power is now in Rumtek, then why was the successor installed in Tibet with the blessings of the Chinese Govt?

The Black Hats and Yellow Hats (the Dalai Lama) have different path and therefore Dalai Lama's recognition is not material as it is the Black Hats who have to accept/ reject the Karmapa.

The difference between the sects have always been there and there has been no conflict of interest. Therefore, the contention that there will be conflicts maybe misplaced.

The Chinese Karmapa should go to the USA.
Sir. Then how do the Red Hats fit into all this. Has the Chinese not supported Red hats too?
 

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The Four Schools of Tibetan Buddhism
Nyingma, Kagyu, Sakya and Gelug

By Barbara O'Brien, About.com Guide

Here is an introduction to the four major schools of Tibetan Buddhism with links to more information about each.
1. Nyingma

Nyingma is the oldest school of Tibetan Buddhism. It claims as its founder Padmasambhava, also called Guru Rinpoche, "Beloved Master," which places its beginning in the late 8th century. Padmasambhava is credited with building Samye, the first monastery in Tibet, in about 779 CE.

Along with tantric practices, Nyingma emphasizes revealed teachings attributed to Padmasambhava plus the "great completion" or Dzogchen doctrines. The most recent head current head of the Nyingma tradition was Mindrolling Trichen, who died in 2008. A successor has not been named.

2. Kagyu

Some accounts name Marpa "The Translator" (1012-1099) as the founder of the Kagyu school, while other accounts name as the founder Gampopa (1084-1161), also known as Dagpo Lhaje, who was a student of Marpa's disciple Milarepa. Kagyu is best known for its system of meditation and practice called Mahamudra.

The head of the Kagyu school is called the Karmapa. The current head is the Seventeenth Gyalwa Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, who was born in 1985 in the Lhathok region of Tibet.

3. Sakya

In 1073, Khon Konchok Gyelpo (1034-l102) built Sakya Monastery in southern Tibet. His son and successor, Sakya Kunga Nyingpo, founded the Sakya sect. Sakya teachers converted the Mongol leaders Godan Khan and Kublai Khan to Buddhism. Over time, the Sakya school gave rise expanded to two subsects called the Ngor lineage and the Tsar lineage. Sakya, Ngor and Tsar constitute the three schools (Sa-Ngor-Tsar-gsum) of the Sakya tradition.

The central teaching and practice of the Sakyapa is called Lamdrey (Lam-'bras), or "the Path and Its Fruit." The headquarters of the Sakya sect today are at Rajpur in Uttar Pradesh, India. The current head is Ngawang Kunga Theckchen Rimpoche (b. 1945).

4. Gelug

The Gelug school, sometimes called the "yellow hat" sect of Tibetan Buddhism, was founded by Je Tsongkhapa (1357-1419), one of Tibet's greatest scholars. The first Gelug monastery, Ganden, was built by Tsongkhapa in 1409.

The Dalai Lamas, who have been spiritual leaders of the Tibetan people since the 17th century, come from the Gelug school. The nominal head of Gelugpa is the Ganden Tripa, an appointed official. The current Ganden Tripa is Khensur Lungri Namgyel.

The Gelug school places great emphasis on monastic discipline and sound scholarship.
Suggested Reading

* How Buddhism Came to Tibet

* What's a "God-King"?

* Behind the Turmoil in Tibet

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* How Buddhism Came to Tibet -- The History of Buddhism in Tibet
* Tibetan Buddhism - An Introduction to Tibetan Buddhism
* Shugden Dorje -- the Shugden Dorje Controversy in Tibetan Buddhism
* Buddhism in Japan - A history of Buddhism in Japan
* Religion in Bhutan - Religion in Society

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Behind the Turmoil in Tibet

By Barbara O'Brien, About.com Guide

You may know the basic story – that Mao Zedong's China invaded Tibet in 1950 and annexed it as part of China, and that the young Dalai Lama fled Tibet in 1959 and has lived in exile since. After all this time, why do the Tibetans continue to resist Chinese rule?

China claimed ownership of Tibet based on a history of sporadic Chinese possession of Tibet. However, Tibet was a independent nation in 1950, and Tibetans maintain a separate language, culture and ethnic identity from China.

A Pattern of Brutality

According to GlobalSecurity.org, the People's Republic of China had guaranteed no alteration of Tibetan political, cultural, and religious systems and institutions. China failed to live up to this agreement, however. The Tibetans began to revolt against Chinese rule in 1956. From that time, through the end of the Cultural Revolution in 1976, an estimated 1,200,000 Tibetans were killed and more than 6,000 religious sites were destroyed by the Chinese.

So-called "democratic reform" led to an uprising in Lhasa in 1959. The response by China was harsh; approximately 87,000 Tibetans were killed, arrested, deported to labor camps, or sent into exile.

GlobalSecurity.org continues,

"The Chinese Government strictly controls access to and information about Tibet. Thus, it is difficult to determine accurately the scope of human rights abuses. However, according to credible reports, Chinese government authorities continued to commit serious human rights abuses in Tibet, including instances of torture, arbitrary arrest, detention without public trial, and lengthy detention of Tibetan nationalists for peacefully expressing their political or religious views."

Tibetans can be arrested merely for possessing a photograph of the Dalai Lama. See also "The Tragedy of the Panchen Lama."

Cultural Genocide

Since 1950 China has moved ethnic Chinese into Tibet, and today Tibetans are an ethnic minority in their own country. Tibetans have been forced to assimilate to Chinese culture. Tibetans say the Qinghai-Tibet Railway, which began operations in July 2007, is accelerating the cultural genocide of Tibet.

Is Tibet Better Off With the Chinese in Charge?

Among what pockets of Marxism exist in the West's far Left is a popular notion that China was correct to invade Tibet and that the Tibetans are better off for it; see, for example, the widely read "Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth" by Michael Parenti.

It is a fact that before 1950, Tibet's was a feudalist society in which most people were kept in the status of serfs. Many westerners have romantic notions of old Tibet as a place where everyone was peaceful and happy, when in reality there was the same sectarian enmity, corruption, and exploitation of the weak by the strong one finds just about everywhere else.

China apologists go off the rails, however, when they ignore the atrocities and oppression to which Tibetans are subjected by the government of China. Two wrongs do not make a right. Tibet could have been reformed without mass slaughter.

God King?

The title "God-King" given the Dalai Lama by western media misstates his actual status. The fourteen Dalai Lamas had less than absolute power in old Tibet. Although the Dalai Lamas were Tibet's chief administrators, much power was in the hands of old aristocratic families who were the feudal overlords as well as a deeply conservative monastic establishment.

In the past the Dalai Lamas had to walk a fine line not to displease the overlords too much. And, in fact, some past Dalai Lamas met with sudden and unexplained deaths, possibly for political reasons. It was also true that most of the Dalai Lamas had themselves led sheltered lives and knew little about the world outside Tibet.

The Great Thirteenth

That changed with Thubten Gyatso, the 13th Dalai Lama, who assumed administrative authority of Tibet in 1895. The Great Thirteenth was a reformer.

He increased the number of lay officials to reduce the political influence of monasteries. He established a secular school system. He built a new medical college. He took steps to reduce corruption. He abolished the death penalty, reduced corporal punishment, and improved conditions in prison. He introduced electricity and telephones.

Even so, the work of the 13th Dalai Lama met with stiff resistance from the conservative monastic establishment and the aristocratic overlords. His authority may have been absolute in theory, but it was limited in practice. He died in 1933.

The 14th Dalai Lama

The current Dalai Lama was born in 1935. A month after the invasion of Tibet by China in 1950, Tenzin Gyatso was enthroned as the ruler of Tibet. He was 16 years old at the time. We cannot know if the 14th Dalai Lama would have continued the reforms of the 13th, as he was never in control of his own country.

For the next nine years, the young Dalai Lama "ruled" under the thumb of China. Although China had promised autonomy and religious freedom for Tibetans, the Chinese did not abide by their promises. After a failed uprising against the Chinese in 1959, the Dalai Lama left Tibet, believing the Chinese were planning to assassinate him.

Going Forward

Events in recent days should tell us the people of Tibet are not grateful the Chinese are in control of their country. Yes, most Tibetans led wretched lives before 1950. Yes, the Chinese have made considerable investments in Tibet to modernize the backward country. But today Tibetans face economic inequality and discrimination by the Han Chinese who have moved into Tibet.

As Ed Douglas writes in the March 16, 2008, Observer, "Life might have got better for some Tibetans, but they see Han Chinese migrants doing a whole lot better and at their expense."

As long as some scrap of Tibetan identity remains, it is unlikely the people of Tibet will accept Chinese rule without genuine freedom and economic equality. Yet the government of China has a long pattern of rigid denial of this simple fact. The only way they know how to keep "peace" is through brutality.

The current unrest may be put down, but the Tibetans' desire for freedom will not be appeased with anything less than freedom.

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Padmasambhāva, founder of the Nyingmapa, the earliest school of Tibetan Buddhism. Note the wide-open eyes, characteristic of a particular method of meditation

Tibetan Buddhism has four main traditions:

* Nyingma(pa), "the Ancient Ones". This is the oldest, the original order founded by Padmasambhāva and Śāntaraká¹£ita. Whereas other schools categorize their teachings into the three vehicles: The Foundation Vehicle, Mahāyāna and Vajrayāna, the Nyingma tradition classifies its into nine vehicles, among the highest of which is that known as Atiyoga or Dzogchen ("Great Perfection"). Hidden treasures (terma) are of particular significance to this tradition.

* Kagyu(pa), "Lineage of the (Buddha's) Word". This is an oral tradition which is very much concerned with the experiential dimension of meditation. Its most famous exponent was Milarepa, an 11th century mystic. It contains one major and one minor subsect. The first, the Dagpo Kagyu, encompasses those Kagyu schools that trace back to the Indian master Naropa via Marpa, Milarepa and Gampopa] and consists of four major sub-sects: the Karma Kagyu, headed by a Karmapa, the Tsalpa Kagyu, the Barom Kagyu, and Pagtru Kagyu. There are a further eight minor sub-sects, all of which trace their root to Pagtru Kagyu and the most notable of which are the Drikung Kagyu and the Drukpa Kagyu. The once-obscure Shangpa Kagyu, which was famously represented by the 20th century teacher Kalu Rinpoche, traces its history back to the Indian master Naropa via Niguma, Sukhasiddhi and Kyungpo Neljor.

* Sakya(pa), "Grey Earth". This school very much represents the scholarly tradition. Headed by the Sakya Trizin, this tradition was founded by Khon Konchog Gyalpo, a disciple of the great translator Drokmi Lotsawa and traces its lineage to the Indian master Virupa. A renowned exponent, Sakya Pandita 1182–1251CE was the great grandson of Khon Konchog Gyalpo.

* Gelug(pa), "Way of Virtue". Originally a reformist movement, this tradition is particularly known for its emphasis on logic and debate. Its spiritual head is the Ganden Tripa and its temporal one the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama is regarded as the embodiment of the Bodhisattva of Compassion. Successive Dalai Lamas ruled Tibet from the mid-17th to mid-20th centuries. The order was founded in the 14th to 15th century by Je Tsongkhapa, renowned for both his scholasticism and his virtue.

The Nyingma and Sakya are the Red Hats.
The Gelug are the Yellow Hats.
The kagyu are the Black hats.
 

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Sir. Then how do the Red Hats fit into all this. Has the Chinese not supported Red hats too?
I could not say for sure.

The present claimant Karmapa in Dharamsala has been supported by the Chinese.

Oracle's post is illuminating.

It does indicate that the Chinese have some favourable link with Tai Situ Rimpoche, who 'discovered' this controversial Karmapa who was, with the Chinese consent, made the Karmapa at the original seat of the Karmapa in Tibet. Tai Situ Rimpoche, who had gone to Tibet and worked with the Chinese, was not allowed to come to India, but he came in without papers.

Fishy and the whole thing stinks and everyone is fishing in troubled waters.
 

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Clean chit for Karmapa in currency haul case

The Himachal Pradesh government on Friday gave a clean chit to Karmapa Ugyen Trinely Dorji in the foreign currency haul case, saying he has no links with the money seized from his transit home near Dharamsala.

"The huge foreign currency recovered during raids from the Gyuto Monastery, the transit home of the Karmapa, are donations and offerings from devotees and the Karmapa has no links with it as the affairs of the trust are managed by trustees," Chief Secretary Rajwant Sandhu told media persons in Shimla.

"The Karmapa is a revered religious leader of the Buddhists and the government has no intentions to interfere in religious affairs of the Buddhists," she said, adding there was no question of any action against the Karmapa and also no reason to believe that he has links with the foreign currency seizure to the tune of Rs 7.5 crore from Sidhbari.

When asked whether there was any chance of the Karmapa "being arrested" in connection with the seizure, she said there was "zero" possibility of any such thing happening.

While the police and the Enforcement Directorate sleuths have quizzed the Karmapa and his aides in connection with source of foreign currency, including Chinese currency, the investigating agencies claim to have got vital leads about purchase of benami land plots.

Referring to alleged 'benami' land transactions by some Tibetans, Sandhu said all such transactions were being probed and the law would take its own course. Himachal Pradesh has a stringent law that bans purchase of land by non-agriculturists, including bonafide Himachalis, without the permission of the government.

Referring to certain properties associated with the Dalai Lama, Sandhu said that a proposal was under consideration to regularise and legalise some of these properties but the matter was in the high court, which had stayed the process.

Foreign currency worth Rs 7.5 crore belonging to 25 countries, including China, was recovered by police from the premises of a Karmapa-backed trust and some of the trustees in the raids that followed recovery of Rs one crore from two persons on Mehatpur border on January 25 last, allegedly drawn from a bank at Majnoo-ka-Tila in Delhi for some land deal.

The Chief Secretary said that it has been established that Rs one crore was brought from a bank at Majnoo-ka-Tila but the Karmapa has nothing to do with it.

The police arrested seven persons, including one Sanjay Dutt and Ashutosh, who were carrying the cash in the car, Shakti Lama, a key aide of the Karmapa, Dharamsala-based hotelier K P Bharadwaj, Manager of Ambala branch of Corporation Bank D K Dhar and a couple -- Karma Thapa and his wife Rinzin.

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Politics at work.

So it appears.
 

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I could not say for sure.

The present claimant Karmapa in Dharamsala has been supported by the Chinese.

Oracle's post is illuminating.

It does indicate that the Chinese have some favourable link with Tai Situ Rimpoche, who 'discovered' this controversial Karmapa who was, with the Chinese consent, made the Karmapa at the original seat of the Karmapa in Tibet. Tai Situ Rimpoche, who had gone to Tibet and worked with the Chinese, was not allowed to come to India, but he came in without papers.

Fishy and the whole thing stinks and everyone is fishing in troubled waters.
Seems like internal politics in the end sir.

It's back to square one now.

The Dalai Lama is old and the Chinese are trying to push Panchen Lama into prominence. All is well again.
 

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One can do nothing but assume right now.

Assumption #1 : Intelligence Agencies have unearthed something and GoI is unhappy with Ugyen Trinley Dorje over that, and this investigation is a direct approach to ask him to fall in line, OR else!

Assumption #2 : This is an indirect message to an assertive China by the GoI that we do hold the trump card and will use it, if and when the need arises! And Tibetans have no choice but to support us by raking up protests in Tibet & the World over.

Assumption #3 : Even trusts like these fund political campaigns. I would however not assume huge political parties like the BJP or the Congress being funded by them. Maybe, maybe not, as National Political parties got the Country's biggest Business Houses funding them. Having said that, the role of local politicians in the ranks of MLA/MP cannot be ruled out!

Assumption #4 : It could also be a diversionary tactic by the Congress to deflect attention from all the huge scams it is facing. And what's better than a BJP ruled state! One stone, several birds!
 
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Can't give clean chit to Karmapa, says HP CM

Himachal Pradesh Chief Minister P K Dhumal on Saturday said his government cannot give any "clean chit" to Karmapa Ugyen Trinely Dorji, under ED scanner in a foreign currency haul case, as central agencies are probing the matter.

His comments came a day after Chief Secretary Rajwant Sandhu told the media that the Karmapa has no links with the money seized from his transit home in Sidhbari near Dharamsala.


"We can't give him (the Karmapa) a clean chit as probe by central agencies is still on...Karmapa has neither been given a clean chit nor held guilty," Dhumal told mediapersons in Dharamsala.


"The Centre is probing into the huge foreign currency recovered during raids from the Gyuto Monastery, the transit home of the Karmapa. The state government had never made any accusation against him and therefore the question of giving clean chit does not arise," he said.


He said the chief secretary was repeatedly asked by a reporter during a press conference in Shimla on Friday about the status of the case. She then pointed out that the state government had never said the Karmapa is an accused.


"The illegal money that was found is being investigated and this matter is under the Union government...The central and state agencies are investigating the matter and I would not like to comment till the probe is complete," Dhumal said.



On Friday, Sandhu had said the Karmapa has no links with the money seized from his transit home as the affairs of the trust are managed by trustees. "He is a revered religious leader of the Buddhists and the government has no intentions to interfere in their religious affairs," she had said.


Foreign currency worth Rs 7.5 crore belonging to 25 countries including China was recovered by police from the premises of a Karmapa-backed trust and some of the trustees in the raids that followed recovery of Rs one crore from two persons on Mehatpur border on January 25 last, allegedly drawn from a bank at Majnoo-ka-Tila in Delhi for some land deal.


The police arrested seven persons including one Sanjay Dutt and Ashutosh, who were carrying the cash in the car, Shakti Lama, a key aide of the Karmapa, Dharamsala-based hotelier K P Bharadwaj, Manager of Ambala branch of Corporation Bank D K Dhar and a couple -- Karma Thapa and his wife Rinzin.

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Karmapa not given any clean chit, foreign currency haul investigations continue

DHARAMSALA: The chief minister of Himachal Pradesh, Prem Kumar Dhumal categorically stated here on Saturday that the 17th Karmapa, Ogyene Tirnley Dorjee has not been given any sort of clean chit on the matter pertaining to the seizure of huge amount of foreign currency to the tune of around 9 crores including Chinese Yuan from Gyuto monastery at Sidhbarri about 8 kilometres from here.

Speaking to TOI here (Dharamasala) before heading for Chamba , he said that question of giving clean chit to Karmapa at this stage does not arise at all adding that investigations were at critical stage to get into the bottom of the truth from where the illegal foreign currency made its way which was recovered at the Karmapa monastery during raids conducted by the police last month from January 26 to January 28..

The chief minister Prem Kumare Dhumal's remarks come a day after Chief Secretary Rajwant Sandhu gave the 17th Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, a clean chit which seemed to be surprising and inexplicable owing to the investigations into the matter at critical stage.

Dhumal said that state police and central investigating agencies are in the midst of investigations and are yet to arrive at any conclusion at all. On the possibility of Karmapa being arrested, he said that it is difficult to say anything at this stage since the investigations into the matte are at very important stage.

Himachal Pradesh director-general of police, DS Minhas, said that investigations into the Karmapa foreign currency haul case were at very delicate stage. He said that state police was investigating the matter with great deal of care and attention. On being asked that whether the 17th Karmapa would be arrested, he said that it was premature to say anything at this stage. He said that it would depend on how the probe progresses. He said that state police during investigations has come across sufficient evidence about the illegal money laundering by Karmapa monastery and its possible Chinese links. However, he said that it needs time to arrive at the conclusive report owing to various intricacies involved in the matter.

Meanwhile, the three trustees of Karmapa trust), Karma Changeyalapa, Dilyat Rinpoche and Gompa Namgyal h who had been summoned by the police for interrogation did not appear for interrogation by Una police. Una SP Santosh Patial tol TOI that in case the three of the trustees of Karmapa trust do not appear for questioning before the Una police again, appropriate action would be intiated against them to move further into the matter.

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Foreign money case: Centre's clean chit to Karmapa


The Centre is understood to have given a clean chit to Tibetan spiritual leader Karmapa Ugyen Trinely Dorji in the case relating to the huge foreign currency haul from his house, saying the money had come in the form of donations and offerings by devotees.

This was the conclusion arrived by the Central government after its agencies probed the case following the recovery of foreign currency to the tune of Rs 7.5 crore from the Gyuto monastery, the transit home of the Karmapa, in Himachal Pradesh, sources said.


"The foreign currency recovered during raids are donations and offerings from devotees and the affairs of the trust backed by him are managed by the trustees. It happened due to the callousness of his associates and lack of knowledge of laws," a source said adding the Karmapa's associates had made the mistake of keeping such a huge amount of foreign currency.

Meanwhile, a delegation of the Karmapa's followers met Union Home Secretary Gopal K Pillai on Wednesday and apprised him about various aspects of the case.

The delegation pleaded for the innocence of the Karmapa and assured all cooperation from his side to the ongoing probe.


The home secretary is learnt to have asked the delegation to advise the Karmapa and his associates about the existing laws, to hire chartered accountants to manage his funds and to register the trust under the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act.

Foreign currency belonging to 25 countries, including China, was recovered by the police from the premises of the Karmapa-backed trust and some of the trustees in the raids that followed recovery of Rs 1 crore from two persons on January 25 last, allegedly drawn from a bank at Majnoo-ka-Tila in Delhi for a land deal.

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