CZ BREN 807 win Pakistani tender to replace Type 56 Assault Rifles

[ezsasa]

The kind of projects we are running 900 Million Dollars can't fund them. Money is our concern you @Blackwater and your Armed Forces only concern should be on How to tackle it.

India did tackle it, you think the 400 million conditional hold happens without lobbying.

But anyways zarvan is an eternal optimist, who are we to spoil your parade. The more miltech toys you buy, the better for us.

 

[Zarvan]

India did tackle it, you think the 400 million conditional hold happens without lobbying.

But anyways zarvan is an eternal optimist, who are we to spoil your parade. The more miltech toys you buy, the better for us.

No it's not better for you. You have a delusion that we may go bankrupt no !!! not going to happen

 

[anupamsurey]

No it's not better for you. You have a delusion that we may go bankrupt no !!! not going to happen

by the way pakistan, is already Bankrupt. its just that they are to egoistic and A- class fibbers to admit it openly.

 

[angeldude13]

@Zarvan Cost of FN scar in civilian market without the scope is 3000 dollars. Will they manufacture FN SCAR in pakistan too?

 

[airtel]

cost of CZ BREN 807 = near about 2000 $ .


(cost of CZ BREN 805 >> http://www.prodej-zbrani.cz/kulovnice/ceska-zbrojovka/CZ-805-BREN-S1-14__s423x1505p.html )




cost of AK-ALFA less than 1000 $

after mass Production in India ...................... AK-ALFA will be dirt cheap .

reliance can export it to USA & other foreign countries too .


I think ,CZ BREN 807 is a Good rifle but rejected By Indian Army because there are cheaper options available in the Market or may be they wanted an Indian Riffle .

 

[India22]

cost of CZ BREN 807 = near about 2000 $ .


(cost of CZ BREN 805 >> http://www.prodej-zbrani.cz/kulovnice/ceska-zbrojovka/CZ-805-BREN-S1-14__s423x1505p.html )




cost of AK-ALFA less than 1000 $

after mass Production in India ...................... AK-ALFA will be dirt cheap .

reliance can export it to USA & other foreign countries too .


I think ,CZ BREN 807 is a Good rifle but rejected By Indian Army because there are cheaper options available in the Market or may be they wanted an Indian Riffle .

Is AK-Alpha going to next standard rifle of Indian army?

 

[airtel]

Is AK-Alpha going to next standard rifle of Indian army?

i dont know ...............but there is a Joint venture between Reliance & Kalashnikov Israel to produce AK-ALFA in India >>

www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/reliance-defence-israeli-company-to-make-kalashnikov-weapons/article9345795.ece

 

[Zarvan]

by the way pakistan, is already Bankrupt. its just that they are to egoistic and A- class fibbers to admit it openly.

We are not bankrupt your stupidity is amusing

 

[Zulfiqar Khan]

Does Pakistan army categorize Type 56 as Carbine and only use them in Counter Insurgency Operations? Just an off topic question.

The rifle looks good. It may prompt IA to replace AKs by Kalantak.

Yes, kind of. We have(had) two rifles that every soldier must master. The G3a4 and the Type-56; G3a4 leans more towards conventional warfare while Type-56 is suited for CT operations.

They're heavily modified though.

Good. Pakistan defense procurements is far ahead of India also the basic equipment level of Pak SF and Regulars is superior to India but in all South Asia.


Also, i don't buy the jealous snake oil that Pakis induct such Rifles without proper trials or buy anything thrown at you or free. You are ahead of us in Defense procurement no doubt about it.


Here is trials for a Sniper. Considering the Camo pattern of the troop this pic must be 5 years old.

It's much older than 5 years; I forgot which Sniper rifle was inducted - but the ToT helped us make our own sniper rifles - the LSR and a DMR. It's about to go into mass-production soon. Before those sniper trials; we had Dragunov as our standard sniper rifle - but now they only exist in small numbers within irregular and paramilitary units.

LSR

DMR Azb

@Zarvan Cost of FN scar in civilian market without the scope is 3000 dollars. Will they manufacture FN SCAR in pakistan too?

Yes, it will given to Pakistan under ToT - giving Pakistan full rights to produce and export the gun; it can also be modified in any way. Since it will be produced in Pakistan; it should be MUCH cheaper.

cost of CZ BREN 807 = near about 2000 $ .

Yes; that's if you order it directly from the company. Pakistan will be producing it for a much cheaper price.

 

[Zulfiqar Khan]

Any optical sights part of the deal?


Produced in Pakistan meaning some critical components will be manufactured in-house or is it just final assembly of kits?

Most likely optical kits will be with the deal; but we also have indigenous companies that produce sights. If you look at the pictures I posted above; all those sights and attachments are produced in Pakistan.

 

[Blackwater]

The kind of projects we are running 900 Million Dollars can't fund them. Money is our concern you @Blackwater and your Armed Forces only concern should be on How to tackle it.

tackle what???? can you please elaborate.

sorry we cant tackle money despite 50 billion dallar defence budget.

we take 40 yrs to decide and develop a tank still order 400+ T-90 from russia

30 yrs to decide howitzer

20 saal to decide 126 MMRCA but buying only 36

 

[Blackwater]

Pakistani army is way ahead of Indian army in systematic thinking. Good for you and bad for us. Indian army remained accuracy centric since independence.

well there difference of structure between 2 armies.

India is a country with army

Pakistan army has country

if u understand then its good

for pak army buying arms is easy as chinese take away order

for indian army its like u leave a lady in supermarket whole day passed nothing bought still empty handed
:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

 

[WiseMan]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/03/28/more-details-corrections-to-pakistani-trials-rifles/

More information on Pakistan army trials for new rifle. The one tested by Indian army was older model of Bren.

 

[WiseMan]

More info on local production of CZ Bren by POF.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/09/pakistani-pof-tentative-plans-produce-cz-806-bren-2/
Pakistan arms acquisition has always been more logical and efficient than Indian efforts. As an Indian, it pains me to admit this but it's a compliment worth its weight.

 

[Zulfiqar Khan]

More info on local production of CZ Bren by POF.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/09/pakistani-pof-tentative-plans-produce-cz-806-bren-2/
Pakistan arms acquisition has always been more logical and efficient than Indian efforts. As an Indian, it pains me to admit this but it's a compliment worth its weight.

Why do people use pre-WoT Pakistan Army pictures from 1999 or 2001 for recent events/news...

 

[airtel]

More info on local production of CZ Bren by POF.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/09/pakistani-pof-tentative-plans-produce-cz-806-bren-2/
Pakistan arms acquisition has always been more logical and efficient than Indian efforts. As an Indian, it pains me to admit this but it's a compliment worth its weight.

well Indian army has TAVOR which is cheaper (than bren & scar ) & a very Very Good Riffle ( & it is produced under license in India ) .

still it is not the standard Riffle of Indian Army.

 

[angeldude13]

Yes, it will given to Pakistan under ToT - giving Pakistan full rights to produce and export the gun; it can also be modified in any way. Since it will be produced in Pakistan; it should be MUCH cheaper.


Yes; that's if you order it directly from the company. Pakistan will be producing it for a much cheaper price.

I don't think I'll believe the export part because it would mean jeopardizing there own business interests.

 

[airtel]

Yes; that's if you order it directly from the company. Pakistan will be producing it for a much cheaper price.

only 10-15% cost will be reduced , all the critical components will be manufactured in czech republic. ..................non critical components will be Manufactured in Pakistaan .............and then assembled in pakistaan .


just like Jf-17 " blunder " ...................all the the critical components are Manufactured in Russia /china ....................and then assembled in Pakistan .

I don't think I'll believe the export part because it would mean jeopardizing there own business interests.

i think they can export with the Permission of czech republic .............but czech republic will get share in profit (share will be More than pakistaan :biggrin2.............................just Like JF_17"blunder " .

 

[WiseMan]

well Indian army has TAVOR which is cheaper (than bren & scar ) & a very Very Good Riffle ( & it is produced under license in India ) .

still it is not the standard Riffle of Indian Army.

Hey bro,
Three things:
1. Tavor is not cheaper than Bren: In fact it is one of the most expensive bullpups out there.
It costs $2600 for semi-automatic civilian version in USA, with MARS sight. India paid over $6000 for each of them with sights, spares and accessories.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...nto-service-with-indian-special-forces-03080/
http://m.indiatoday.in/story/crpf-gets-israeli-made-assault-rifles-to-fight-maoists/1/158962.html (Over 2 lack per piece in 2011 $ value puts it at over $4000)

2. Tavors are not made in India. Zittara - OFB produced version of 9mm X-95 (version of Tavor) is lumbering along and may come out of OFB some day. Sad but true despite what mighty OFB claims on their crap website.

3. Tavor is not used in IA as widely as one would hope. It's limited to Para, CRPF, MARCOS and few SF battalions. Bren will be standard issue for Paki.

 

[WiseMan]

cost of CZ BREN 807 = near about 2000 $ .


(cost of CZ BREN 805 >> http://www.prodej-zbrani.cz/kulovnice/ceska-zbrojovka/CZ-805-BREN-S1-14__s423x1505p.html )




cost of AK-ALFA less than 1000 $

after mass Production in India ...................... AK-ALFA will be dirt cheap .

reliance can export it to USA & other foreign countries too .


I think ,CZ BREN 807 is a Good rifle but rejected By Indian Army because there are cheaper options available in the Market or may be they wanted an Indian Riffle .

India never rejected what Pakistan army has selected. India rejected older version in 2013-14, while CZ 806 Bren 2 was just launched last year.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/03/28/more-details-corrections-to-pakistani-trials-rifles/