Crisis in Tibet - Opression and Human rights violations by China

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Atiśa Dipankara Shrijnana (Bengali: অতীশ দীপঙ্কর শ্রীজ্ঞান Ôtish Dipôngkor Srigên) (980-1054 CE) was a Buddhist teacher from the Pala Empire who, along with Konchog Gyalpo and Marpa, was one of the major figures in the establishment of the Sarma lineages in Tibet after the repression of Buddhism by King Langdarma (Glang Darma).

So, is Tibet a part of Bengal?

That could be so, if the Chinese logic that Arunachal is Southern Tibet!


Ray Langdarma never had son and therefor, he was the last royal lineage ruler of Tibet after he got assassinate for good. And that was during the prehistoric. Atisha came to Tibet only after many centuries at the golden times of Tibet. About Tibet being part of Bengal that's another very interesting subject. Though biologically we the (south western region of tibetan people/ Utsang/central tibet) share same blood/race with not just bengali but also with other indian royal lineages but geographically Tibet is never part of India ofcourse; Yet India did took some of our tibetan lands like Kalimpong and etc on the foothills of himalayas in west bengal. But our tibetan central government has decided to let it go in early 1940s shimla conference. But that's past so its cool. If that's what's mean to be let it be. I careless about politics anyways, but that will not change each and every single tibetan people's devotion towards HH Dalai Lama from the bottom of our heart. To support my post check out the statement of HH Dalai Lama below. :Laie_39:


"Tibet is the snowy-land located beyond the Himalayan ranges to the north of India- the Land of Aryas. Buddha Shakyamuni blessed this land and prophesied the spread of the Buddha Dharma there. Mount Kailash and Lake Manasrovar are located there, both of which are considered sacred by India's major religious traditions. Tibet is the source of the four great rivers that flow into India and finally reach the great oceans. Geographically, it is like the Indian highlands, which many great Indian masters have referred to as the Heaven of Thirty-three, (Trayastrimshadeva). Regarding the date at which the Tibetan race first came about, archaeological findings suggest it was at least ten thousand years ago. The Bon scriptures concur. According to the Bengali scholar Prajna Varma, Tibetans are descendants of Rupati, king of a south Indian kingdom, who escaped to Tibet with his subjects after the Mahabharata War. As for the King of Tibet, it is believed that around 150 BCE, a prince of Magadha escaped to Tibet after being exiled from his kingdom. Tibetans named him Nya-tri Tsenpo and made him their king. Thus began the Tibetan royal lineage. Whether we consider our geography, ancestry, or our royal dynasty, India and Tibet have long had close ties with each other."
 

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Well, what if something big, like a Big uprising comes up? Who comes in? Still the cops?
And which Foreign country in SEA are you gonna face with 50K troops? I mean, I would have bought it if it was like atleast 100,000 Troops.

The only country you got serious problem is India and 50000 troops will not be sufficient when the guns start roaring!
1. Chinese "armed police" is not ordinary cops.

chinese "armed police" are armed and trained better than most armies in the world. they are armed with heavy weapons like tanks,armor carriers ,cannons and missiles.

China has 600,000 " armed police" and they are enough to deal with domestic troubles

2. the excercise is test the rapid deployment capacity of PLA.
so,it is not important how many devisions of PLA is to be redeployed.
the key is how soon A division of PLA will finish such a long-range redeployment.

if China can assure that PLA's troops will be redeployed much more faster and quickly than India troops, it is unnecessary to deploy too many PLA in Tibet in peaceful time.
 

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Colonel,

Oriental are not used to Command by Directives.

Auftragstaktik.


We are used to Befehlstaktik. Command as per plan.
And that is why the PLA is so much headaches and heartaches. Instead of demanding their people step up, they patch the system with the ranks who can make the decisions. Thus, you have Captains commanding platoons, LCols commanding companies and SrCols (Brigadier-General equivlent) commanding Battalion Battle Groups and have such a laughable command as an Admiral commanding a 3 ship "fleet" though they have since learned to let a SrCapt (Commodore equivlent) to assume command of a now 3 ship task force.

However, this becomes a problem in 5 years. Those Captains/LCols/SrCols have not spent enough time in their proper echelon to be promoted. A Captain commanding a platoon, no matter how well he does it is not going to be promoted to Maj at the battalion level. A LCol well experienced at commanding companies will never be given a Regt slot and a SrCol commanding a Battalion Battle Group can kiss his generals stars goodbye.

Not everything is hunky dory with the PLA modernization and a lot of it ain't got nothing to do with technology but that they have not thought the whole thing through ... not that they have the experience doing so.

What's worst, these are their rockets. Those Captains, LCols, and SrCols who can take real time info and decide proper actions ... and their career paths are being stopped by the very flash formations the PLA is championning.

And those who do get promoted? Well, sir, crap floats.
 

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Umm do you think only US or western world has respect towards the Dalai Lama for being who he is? I doubt not! If the indian government doesn't feel the same way as rest of the world does, neither pundit nehru nor today's indian government will still let His Holiness The Dalai Lama to run his government in exile for 50 years. I didn't expect that from you Ray sir!
In India, the Dalai Lama is most revered. Of that there is no doubt.

It is just that the Indian govt is wimpish and cowardly.

The Bengali script is more like the Tibetan script or vice versa. So is the Assamese script.
 

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বাংলা লিপি
 

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China has 600,000 " armed police" and they are enough to deal with domestic troubles
As they did in Tibeet and Xinjiang?

Or the Tiennamen Square.
 
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For its part, prior to Indian independence, then-British India vigorously supported Tibetan autonomy

===== LOOK AT WHAT THE COLONISTS DID! SHAME ON THE BRITISH COLONISTS, AND SHAME ON THOSE WHO TAKE PRIDE OF THE HUMBLE DISHES LEFT BY THE COLONISTS
 

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For its part, prior to Indian independence, then-British India vigorously supported Tibetan autonomy
They did not support autonomy.

Tibet was a free country till 1951.

===== LOOK AT WHAT THE COLONISTS DID! SHAME ON THE BRITISH COLONISTS, AND SHAME ON THOSE WHO TAKE PRIDE OF THE HUMBLE DISHES LEFT BY THE COLONISTS
Are you meaning the colonisation of Tibet by China and shame on those who take pride in the colonisation of Tibet?
 
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I was interested in opinions on this news article given the news on TV that China is conducting a huge exercise on the Indo Tibet border and expect to have three rail links by 2020 into Tibet.

This US term 'harm's way' gets my goat. Soldiering is not in anyway without being in harm's way! It is all euphemism that the US specialises in. Hyperbole and soft words!

War in Western China need not be direct. What about Tibet and Uighurs? They are not too keen to become Hans!!!

If Arunachal is Southern Tibet, then Tibet and Xinjiang are surely separate nations!
about the railway in tibet

do you guys always mistake jeeps as tanks? haha
 

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about the railway in tibet

do you guys always mistake jeeps as tanks? haha
I think you are not aware of my background wherein you feel I can mistake jeeps as tanks.

BTW my jeep has a star plate and a flag!!

Under me were tanks, apart from guns and other materiel. (note the spelling - it should tell you something).
 

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india always take pride of the british colonization of india and take pride of english as its official language

don't you india have any national language?
I am aware that the Chinese are rather envious that we Indians know English.

We have a national language and we also have regional languages and we don't force everyone to learn the national language to succeed in life. Quite different from China where Mandarin is a must to go to College or get jobs. Why did Xinjiang and Tibet happen?

We are a democracy and we cannot stuff up the majority community's arrogance down the throat as the Hans do in China!!

Lots of difference between democracy and a militarist type of a martinet regime as in China!

India does not have trouble China, China troubles itself with its own martinet behaviour with its own people!!

You laugh a lot.

Nothing shows a man's character more than what he laughs at.

Perhaps one knows best why you alone who laughs; maybe you alone suffer so deeply that you had to invent reasons for your laughter.
 

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In India, the Dalai Lama is most revered. Of that there is no doubt.

It is just that the Indian govt is wimpish and cowardly.
The Indian government is made up of Indians, by the Indians and for the Indians. It implies that if Indian government does something wrong then it is Indians who are at fault in the first place.

See if we have to change our destiny then we have to change ourselves and if we have to change ourselves then we have to accept the existence of the present at any and all given moments in history and future.

Whatever Indians have do individually or collectively we have to do with whatever we have at present.

The Bengali script is more like the Tibetan script or vice versa. So is the Assamese script.
One of the most important reasons we Indians find it difficult to concentrate on our own job is this Ummah-isc mentality that is gaining ground. We can only help our neighbourer not live their life for them. We cannot be more loyal then the King and the Tibetan king (the soveriegn Tibetan, individually & collectively) is unwilling &/of unable (both mean the same thing, only shifted in time)
 

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india always take pride of the british colonization of india and take pride of english as its official language

don't you india have any national language?
We have a national language just like you.
We have something even more important then what you do. FREEDOM AND RESPECT FOR FREEDOM (MY OWN AND THAT OF OTHERS). THAT YOU DONT :bye:
 

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Anybody knows anything about massive military exercise conducted by China in Tibet? News media is reporting that this was in retaliation to India troop movement on border.
 

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india always take pride of the british colonization of india and take pride of english as its official language

don't you india have any national language?
India is home to more than 4 major religions(including Buddhism) and 200 different languages with 2000 different dialects.

The Indian constitution recognizes 22 "Official" Languages apart from English.

Indian constitution in no way recognizes a "National" Language because of our diversity.

Hindi has the most speakers with only 400 million people compared to 1.1 billion people in India. Our largest spoken language does not even touch the half way mark.

So, you tell me what we take pride in?
 

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Oliveryty, if you want to stay on this forum, I suggest that you stop flaming the threads with off-topic comments.

Get back to the topic please. No more discussions about colonization or the English language.
 

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The indian british raj was responsible for the safety and territorial integrity of tibet and it should have been so after independence, india should have worked an alliance with america-britain and the west against a communist chinese takeover of tibet. And it was too fool-hardy for nehru to send tibetian diplomats for direct talks with china, where treaties were signed at gun point. Lets train the tibetians in arms and when internal unrest takes over china, v should un-leash them.
 

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Lets not. TBH, I am very uncomfortable with this whole "Free Tibet" movement that seems to be gaining massive public support in India.

The hard fact is that its a pipe dream. The Tibetans are too few in number, and they have no hope of either challenging the Chinese militarily, or influencing public opinion in China.
Besides, there is nothing in Tibet which can be legitimately called an insurgency.

The "evil terrorist" Dalai Lama himself says he'll be happy if the Tibetans are given a little more autonomy. That should be good enough for us.

The last thing we need is some messy never-ending nightmare with China over Tibet. Its of no use to anybody, least of all the Tibetans.

Lets train the tibetians in arms and when internal unrest takes over china, v should un-leash them.
 

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Lets train the tibetians in arms and when internal unrest takes over china, v should un-leash them.
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Courtesy demands reciprocity.If you did.
China will train Assamese Liberation Army,Manipur Liberation Army,Kashmir Liberation Army,Tamil Liberation Army,...and so on
 

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