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  1. thethinker

    thethinker Senior Member Senior Member

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    One bad performance doesn't a bad team make. One good performance doesn't a good team make.

    Blind jingo fans and the bazaaru media don't get that.
     
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    If your criticism is of the MSM, then may be you have a point. But I dont know how else MSM should express their disappointment with Indian performance.

    But I am actually mad that Indian team dint play well that day and people here were mostly mocking the people who are mad at the performance of Indian team. Thats stupid
     
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    A good team should play good sport consistently dude. Come on now.

    Indians have the right to demand that their team be the best in the world - considering how much they get back from Indians
     
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    Losing and winning is a part of sport.

    But to tag it as "national disgrace" isn't what rational people do.
     
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    Define consistently please in context of this WC.
     
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    With or without WC- consistent good performance in batting and bowling.

    Aus winning consistently in the previous world cups? Even when they lost, they lost with a fight? Thats consistency.

    I am actually glad that Indians have stopped worshipping their cricketers and subject them to this criticism despite Indian team making to the semis. Such a thing would not have happened in 2000s. This is a step in the positive direction. And people like you think thats a bad thing:rolleyes:

    To add, Indian cricketers should get into their head that playing well in one or two matches is not going to save them from criticism if they played horribly in the next matches. Its about time we moved past this mediocrity and demand the best atleast in cricket. There is no excuse to playing bad in cricket now.
     
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    Bad thing is media channels using reactions of jingo fans to score TRPs.

    This wasn't the 2007 WC where the performance was appaling. Yet using #shameinsydney and trying to trend it for own gains is selfish.

    And yes it is due to "people like me" that #shameinsydney died and #shameontimesnow trended.:rolleyes:

    Good to see that Indians have stopped blindly criticising their cricketers based on a single match.
     
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    Difference between a true fan and a fanatic is, a fan knows that in a game between two evenly matched teams either one can win, and if his team loses (whatever the performance may be) he may get upset and disappointed, but he won't brush every previous achievement of the team down the toilet and accept the defeat of his team gracefully with hope for future improvement. And, a fanatic will do neither of it. They will rage, rave and rile and do little to nothing that can help.

    The folks, who are riling against the team, are pathetic to say the least. Have you not had any bad day in your whole life or career? Cricket is a game, not a life and death situation. And, BTW, you are feel let down? Guess what the most pain is felt by the 16 men who wore the blues yesterday and had hope of holding the cup. You will forget this defeat soon enough, but all those 16 men are never. If you have any respect for those men for what they have been achieving, despite this failure, you would gracefully accept their failure of this time.
     
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    Again, if your gripe is with the MSM, then it is a different issue, and I dont know how MSM is supposed express their disappointment.

    But if you are ok with the team performance on their match with Aus, then I think you can be happy with their performance. You can content with its mediocrity.

    But I am not and if many Indians want a consistent good performance from Indian team , then its a good thing. And dont change the goal post- you asked what is consistency and I gave an example of consistency. As I said, Indian team whether it wins or lose should give a consistent good performance. Its about time we stopped being mediocre in Cricket at least.
     
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    What goal post am I changing?

    For you, India winning 7 matches consecutively in WC and consistently bowling out opposition and all that won't matter.

    Such an inconsistent Indian team. So mediocre too. :rolleyes:
     
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    OK dude. you can call us fanatics or whatever but I am glad that such people have started appearing. This is a step in the right direction. The time for domination of India is only beginning and we will demand such domination as we think we deserve it. If we are to be blamed as being fanatic for demanding the best, then so be it.
    Again, if they get respect when they win- they deserve scorn when they perform badly. Both goes hand in hand. You cant have it both ways - .ie appreciation when they win and no criticism when they lose
     
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    Such a team would not lose the game with 100 runs. Sorry , it is a mediocre performance on that day to say the least.

    And yes, such a game once every five good games is not consistency

    Aus lost to NZ in league- still that was a well fought game- consistency. NZ might lose the final, but I am pretty sure they would give a big fight if that is the case - consistency.

    A good team should be consistent. Indian cricket fans deserves such consistent good performance from Indian cricket team
     
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    This sums up the expectations

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/sports/23814-cricket-thread-23.html#post1022062


    "For blind jingoistic Indian cricket fans with no rationale or cricketing sense, ideal matches would be :

    India chasing down huge totals and losing only by 5-10 runs
    India bowling out opposing teams for less than 200
    India making 300 in every match batting first and bowling out opposing teams for less than 250

    Anything less than that would as per them be a bad performance regardless of results.

    If that doesn't happen, then brickbats would come out. "
     
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    WTF man!!!! Calm down!!!!! It was just a game for crying out loud!!

    You just equated a World fu&king cup match with national interest of the nation?!!!! Are you serious? Why do you forget that the other team has also come to win, and that team is pretty damn good, too.

    Be mad, but don't be a nitwit imbecile. You are better than this.
     
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    Good detailed analysis of the Ind-Aus semis.

    Smith ton sets up trans-Tasman finale | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

    Four months ago, India arrived in Australia as holders of both the Border-Gavaskar Trophy and the World Cup. Then they ran into Steven Smith, who ensured they will fly home with neither. Smith tormented India with a century in every Test of the summer, and like the ghost of series past, returned to haunt them with another hundred in this World Cup semi-final. The summer of Steve just keeps rolling on.

    It will end at the MCG on Sunday in either World Cup triumph over New Zealand, or heartbreak at losing the trophy to the co-hosts of this six-week event. Of course Smith was not alone in delivering Australia their seventh win from seven World Cup semi-finals - Aaron Finch gave batting support, Mitchell Johnson provided invaluable late runs and key wickets - but Smith was at the heart of it.

    His 105 was a class above most of the batting in this game, and set Australia on the path to a match-winning 328 for 7. In the field, he claimed wickets with his eyes and ears. Smith appeared to instigate a five-star review when there was virtually no appeal for a caught-behind off Mitchell Starc's bowling; snicko found the ball had kissed Ajinkya Rahane's edge on the way to Brad Haddin.

    Rahane was on 44 at the time and had put together a 70-run stand with MS Dhoni that had Australia a fraction nervous. Dhoni's calmness at the crease will always worry his opponents, but losing Rahane and then Ravindra Jadeja - Smith's throw from backward point found Jadeja short of his crease - placed enormous pressure on Dhoni.

    The required run-rate began to look like an accelerated adolescence, every over representing a year: it's 11, now it's 12, now it's 13, now it's 14, now it's 15. Dhoni thumped a couple of consecutive sixes off Shane Watson but he could do only so much, and fell for a run-a-ball 65 when he was the victim of a direct hit from Glenn Maxwell.

    The end came quickly. James Faulkner bowled R Ashwin and Mohit Sharma from consecutive balls, and Starc rattled Umesh Yadav's stumps in the next over to secure the 95-run win and a place in the final. The result was a relief for Australia.

    India needed the highest successful chase of this tournament, but possess some of the finest chasers in world cricket. And a sea of blue around the SCG created the impression this was a home match for India. A 76-run opening stand between Shikhar Dhawan and Rohit Sharma betrayed no nerves from them. But Dhawan picked out deep extra cover off Josh Hazlewood for 45 and then came a key moment: Virat Kohli top-edged a hook off Johnson to be caught by Haddin for 1.

    The loss of Rohit, bowled by Johnson for 34, and then Suresh Raina, who edged behind off Faulkner for 7, boosted Australia, but Dhoni's presence was always a threat. He just had nobody to go with him for the big partnership required, the kind Australia had. The 182 that Smith and Finch added for the second wicket in Australia's innings was the key stand of the game.

    No other Australia partnership reached fifty, or lasted five overs. India's bowlers fought well in the later stages to keep Australia to 328 for 7, a challenging target but a gettable one, considering high 300s were plausible while Smith and Finch were there with 197 for 1 after 34 overs.

    Shami found early swing and Yadav neared 150kph, but only one wicket fell early. Then came that partnership in which Smith batted like a man who had never been out, Finch like a man who had never been in. Australia's top order has looked much sturdier since Smith moved up to No.3 and so it did again. In only one match in any format against India this summer has Smith failed to score a hundred.

    His footwork was the equal of any great boxer; he used his crease to manufacture the length he required, including going back off Jadeja to pull one of his two sixes. Smith's precise pulling was a feature of his innings. Of his 105 runs, 77 came through the leg side as he found the gaps without much trouble. His fifth hundred of the summer against India came from 89 balls with a pull for four off Shami.

    Smith was eventually out hooking to deep square leg off Yadav for 105 from 93 balls; India's bouncer finally worked when they got it head high. Between them, Smith and Finch had generally been able to keep the runs ticking over even in periods where the boundaries did not flow so freely, although the spin of Jadeja and Ashwin proved harder to get away.

    Finch's 81 was valuable to Australia but it was far from his best-looking innings. His tournament began with a hundred against England but since then he has been scratchy, and was again here. Whereas Smith finessed, Finch forced.

    Australia hoped Finch would launch from the platform over which he had laboured; instead he was another victim of Yadav's quick short ball when he pulled to midwicket. The dismissal of Maxwell was key in halting Australia's push, and was a fitting reward for Ashwin, whose canniness kept Australia to 42 runs off his 10 overs. Maxwell's departure came in a period of chaos in which India claimed 4 for 51 from 49 legal deliveries.

    Yadav and Mohit especially led India's fightback with regular wickets: Clarke made 10, Faulkner 21 and Watson 28, but they all fell to the fast men. Johnson crunched a late 27 not out off 9 balls to add to the daunting nature of the chase.

    And as the cricket cliché goes, in big games it was all about runs on the board.
     
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    There are two things:

    1. Criticism of the MSM. And this criticism is perfectly valid. Don't we know how the MSM distorts, manipulates, sensationalizes and lies? Media channels can express their disappointment, but they have to stop their hysterical TRP-games. Especially Arnab. An anchor sitting there and bullying everyone on his show, creating hysterical manufactured outrage just to shove his agenda down the nation's throat - that's Times Now for you. Arnab has become just too powerful, and his wings need to be clipped. His aggressive and hysterical reporting on the DK Ravi issue had the potential to bring down the Karnataka government. Lets not discuss the merits of the case right now - the point is that he can use his power for good as well as bad. He did a show on those non-existent "Church attacks" and screamed that "India will face international isolation if this continues", "why can't we protect our Christian minorities", "Are we doing enough" - and as usual bashed everyone on the show who dared try to suggest that there is no "persecution" and 11 out of 12 "Church attacks" have been proved to be completely false and non-existent.

    We expect our MSM to be mature, even-headed, even-handed and impartial. And stop their hysterical lynch mob mentality.

    2. Disagreement with some cricket fans. This is a completely different issue. I disagree with you about mocking/scorning the team because I think their performance has been above par. But hey, there are 1000 opinions in 1000 different people, and you are entitled to your own. Personally I feel that the team needs to be measured at an overall level, with a broader perspective. Grand victories in 7/8 matches is good enough for me, it is consistent enough. Before the WC however, the Indian team was performing pathetically, and I would have agreed with you at that time. Now, if India continues performing badly in subsequent matches, my opinion will change. But as of now, I am more than satisfied with our performance in the WC. I just don't agree that their performance has been "mediocre".

    But you can disagree, to each his own.
     
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    OT but any way

    If any one wondered how facing genuine fast international bowlers would look like as a batsman, here is a GoPro helmet footage through batsman's eyes.

     
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    Again, if you think you are satisfied with their performance, you can be content to praise their performance. I am not and I dont think they performed well. If I am a fanatic for that, so be it
     
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    1. I agree with that.

    2. I dont agree with that - that their performance was above par. We should be expecting more from them. Anyway, agree to disagree.
     
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    But But..doesnt he care for millions of Pak fans who have been free from before the 26th? Only ask for Indian fan support? What about India-Pak equal equal :p
     
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