When reading my replies below, please try to interpret objectively.@pnb123
Blaming right wing groups for everything is not something new, so why don't you come up with something fresh instead.
When answering my points below, please try to be objective.
1. Who planted the seeds of partition on the basis of religion - it was the Muslims via Jinnah.
Even after partition, people like Owaisi's father were giving anti-state and hate speeches in Hyderabad. LINK
2. Now to riots and victimhood.
Islam originated in the ME and slowly spread eastward. Muslim invaders repeatedly "massacred" Hindus, raped women and took them away for their harems and razed temples and towns. India/Hindus did not visit Arab/Persia and plunder Islamic civilization. LINK
3. When Kashmiri Pundits were killed and forced away from their lands, what did the Muslims of India do? Did they protest what was happening? Even now, do you see Hindu/RSS people rioting on this? Show me an example where the minority has been forced to vacate their ancestral lands and flee by the Hindus.
4. Why is it that most of the terrorists and anti-social elements are from minority? Where is the SIMI activist base? SIMI is not "Pakistani".
5. Right Wing respects the solider who is laying down his life for his country and nowhere has a monumenest to honour them been decrated.
6. Apologizing after riots and vandalism absolves leadership and organizers of all responsibility? I am sorry to say that it is not tenable. Those who rioted were provoked, and it is the same "sense of victim hood" being exploited by people like Owaisi to cause these events and further degrade the image of Islam in India.
1. Just as Burma and Palestine are defined as separate countries now, Pakistan and Bangladesh are too deifned as sovereign nations. By your own logic, you now can't comment on what they do internally(just as you fume when anyone points to atrocities in Kashmir,Nagaland,etc. and I have no problem with that)Thats because of the legacy of partition. Hindus in Pakistan and BD are those who have supposed to come to India and hence Indian interest in the issue..wtf have muslim in Burrma or Palestine have to do with indian muslims ?
And most importantly tell me one right wing group that has disrespected a soldiers monument.
The right wing groups have an ultranationalistic view of India..that is India is for them..but the muslim groups have an opposite view..they only have contempt for India..they do not respect the borders..for them its Ummah that matters...if a choice is given between mecca and mumbai they would choose mecca...their loyalties lie elsewhere. That is the diifference.
Other protests dont involve desecrating of monuments dedicated to soldiers who died for the country..but why do the radical muslim groups care for it. ? for them only who died for the cause of Ummah is worthy of adulation..not those who died for India..
So you do all that you want and in the end apologise..nice. Sorry for Babri Masjid..now move on.
Because most of that 20% for example like you are still trying to defend the rioters by talking of victimhood and not taking on the rioters.
So just so that you get to target Muslims(who happen to be Bengalis in this case)...you are okay with supporting Terrorist Groups like NDFB and BLT who have faught India;s Army and still hold tons of illegal AK-47 and maintain training camps! What happened to Nationalism now?@pnb123 on whose side Indian muslims are bodos or bangladeshis infiltrating India with fake currency and poverty
Did you understand what the words "legacy of partition" means ? Those people were citizens of this country once before it was divided in the name of Islam..or more precisely its insecurity to live with the majority...when were rohingyas or palestinians part of this country ? And more importantly if anything happens to Hindus there they are only coming here..so their plight is definitely an area of concern here...but have any hindu groups assaulted muslims here for the plight of hindus in pakistan ? so what is your problem ?1. Just as Burma and Palestine are defined as separate countries now, Pakistan and Bangladesh are too deifned as sovereign nations. By your own logic, you now can't comment on what they do internally(just as you fume when anyone points to atrocities in Kashmir,Nagaland,etc. and I have no problem with that)
See that is the difference...between Hindus and Muslims...life or death..our everything is here..in this country..our history, our faith, heritage everything is bound with this soil...we have no pan-nationalistic loyalties because of anything. We idolize this country as our God..But there is a significant group among the muslims that owe their primary loyalty to mecca and not to India. That is a problem to everyone. We do not become villains because we ask you to be loyal to this country before anything else. That is expected of everyone who calls himself as an Indian..can you deny that ? Can you deny that many Muslims in India still identify with Pakistan and are pakistanis at heart ? Hw can we be sure that in hypothetical war between India and Saudi Arabia this group would remain loyal to India and would not fight for Saudi cause just because Mecca and Medina is there ?2. "if a choice is given between mecca and mumbai they would choose mecca" ------- Are you Insane or what? So you think a Buddhist living in Beijing(if he considers himself a follower of Buddha and follows in his footstep) should give more importance to materialistic Beijing that Spiritual Bodh Gaya? Why are you intertwining religion with your 'Nationalism' here just for the sake of making an argument here? Just becoz you guys are concentrated on one single land mass and don't have worship places elsewhere doesn't mean other religion followers have to be concentrated in one land!!! You guys are so blinded by ultra-nationalism that you consider the soil outside your own country to be absolute SHIT!! ..... No sage,even a Hindu sage would teach his pupil that all God 's creation are not equal!! You guys are insane!!
Only because we have taken on our hatemongers, muslims are even living here. Understand that. Only because of that people like the Imam of Jama Masjid or Owaisi say their shit and still expect to be alive.. If we had given a free ride to hate mongers your population percentage would not have increased to 17% from the 7% during 1947. Get that. Your life would be the same like the Hindus in Pakistan...you would not be allowed to be in the posts of ministers, presidents... can a Hindu say the same like Owaisi in Pakistan and expect to be alive the next day ?3."Because most of that 20% for example like you are still trying to defend the rioters by talking of victimhood and not taking on the rioters."---HAVE YOU TAKEN ON HINDU hATEMONGERS? No. First practice then preach.
Did you understand what the words "legacy of partition" means ? Those people were citizens of this country once before it was divided in the name of Islam..or more precisely its insecurity to live with the majority...when were rohingyas or palestinians part of this country ? And more importantly if anything happens to Hindus there they are only coming here..so their plight is definitely an area of concern here...but have any hindu groups assaulted muslims here for the plight of hindus in pakistan ? so what is your problem ?
See that is the difference...between Hindus and Muslims...life or death..our everything is here..in this country..our history, our faith, heritage everything is bound with this soil...we have no pan-nationalistic loyalties because of anything. We idolize this country as our God..But there is a significant group among the muslims that owe their primary loyalty to mecca and not to India. That is a problem to everyone. We do not become villains because we ask you to be loyal to this country before anything else. That is expected of everyone who calls himself as an Indian..can you deny that ? Can you deny that many Muslims in India still identify with Pakistan and are pakistanis at heart ? Hw can we be sure that in hypothetical war between India and Saudi Arabia this group would remain loyal to India and would not fight for Saudi cause just because Mecca and Medina is there ?
And no..I definitely think a Han would choose Beijing before Bodh Gaya..
Only because we have taken on our hatemongers, muslims are even living here. Understand that. Only because of that people like the Imam of Jama Masjid or Owaisi say their shit and still expect to be alive.. If we had given a free ride to hate mongers your population percentage would not have increased to 17% from the 7% during 1947. Get that. Your life would be the same like the Hindus in Pakistan...you would not be allowed to be in the posts of ministers, presidents... can a Hindu say the same like Owaisi in Pakistan and expect to be alive the next day ?
I never said "going to Mecca is traiterous". This is what I called a victimhood mentality. I said "having more loyalty to Mecca than India" is not desirable. There is a difference..How is asking every Indian must be loyal only to India and not to extra-territorial idealogies "venomous"..can you explain ? I have seen plentty of Muslims who say they are Muslim first and not Indian..how is that desirable.? Please tell me if you did not understand that, I will try to explain in another way.I can envision what kind of a state this country is going to become with people having venomous ideologies(who consider Muslims who go to mecca to be traitors!) like yours take this country over.
And Nehru and Gandhi were not Hindus ? That is exactly what I said we have taken on our hatemongers or kept them in control..but if muslims are not going to respect that, then that hold is weakening every day. So try to keep your flock in control and all would be fine. Every time an Owaisi or Imam Bukhari spew their shit the right wing strengthens..so its upto you to make sure they dont do that.Sorry sir,its becoz we had people like Nehru and Gandhi ruling this country.Had it been your idols Savarkar,Golwalkar,et all then we would have been worse off than Hindus in Pakistan.
This is just pure rhetoric and nothing about what I said..and this is what muslim politicians and your leaders drill into your heads..Islam khatrey mein.and you have reproduced that exact copy..Hindutva is bad, hindutva is venomous, hindutva is this, hindutva is that,,guess what ? because of Partition the Hindus were never required to go to any country..this is their country irrespective of they being hindutvadi or not..but fundamentalist muslims can pack up and go to Pakistan or Bangladesh if they dont like living with infidels or be loyal to this country..that is the reason they were created..Get it ?Even your comments have so much venom,one can guess how much havoc you guys will wreak when you manage to take control of this country! You know why this World considers Gandhi great over your God Savarkar? Becoz he saw the danger that you venomous creatures pose to India and it was this Hindutva violent ideology which he fought till his last breath ...........It was Gandhi who loved India in true sense. You guys are fake nationalists who don't know the damage they are doing this nation.......If you think hating Muslims is doing this nation any good...........Best of Luck. .... your coming generations will know in the long run......do what you are doing blindly for now.Spread hatred!
I never said "going to Mecca is traiterous". This is what I called a victimhood mentality. I said "having more loyalty to Mecca than India" is not desirable. There is a difference..How is asking every Indian must be loyal only to India and not to extra-territorial idealogies "venomous"..can you explain ? I have seen plentty of Muslims who say they are Muslim first and not Indian..how is that desirable.? Please tell me if you did not understand that, I will try to explain in another way.
And Nehru and Gandhi were not Hindus ? That is exactly what I said we have taken on our hatemongers or kept them in control..but if muslims are not going to respect that, then that hold is weakening every day. So try to keep your flock in control and all would be fine. Every time an Owaisi or Imam Bukhari spew their shit the right wing strengthens..so its upto you to make sure they don't do that.
This is just pure rhetoric and nothing about what I said..and this is what muslim politicians and your leaders drill into your heads..Islam khatrey mein.and you have reproduced that exact copy..Hindutva is bad, hindutva is venomous, hindutva is this, hindutva is that,,guess what ? because of Partition the Hindus were never required to go to any country..this is their country irrespective of they being hindutvadi or not..but fundamentalist muslims can pack up and go to Pakistan or Bangladesh if they dont like living with infidels or be loyal to this country..that is the reason they were created..Get it ?
@KS indian citizenship law,court treat a bangladeshi hindu and siberian chirstian at the same legue a forgiener.
the door for bangladeshi/pakistani
hindu in india was open till 25th march 1971 because of legacy of partition.
now the door shut and bjp makes it final by passing citizenship law in 2003.
macca may be a holy site for indian muslim just like jerusalem for chirstian.
but the soil where indian muslim born is not less holy for them.
it is the land where indian muslim born,they loved.
they are also son of the soil of their mother land india.
you remind me my bangladeshi hindu friend he said right wing group in bd do propaganda that just because india has majority of holy sites of hinduism bd hindu love india more than bd.
that was not true.
he said india may have holy sites but it is bangladesh where he belongs.
indian muslim except some few loser has no romantic feeling for pakistan because the way paki treat muhajir,baloch muslim in pakistan and what pakistan did in bd in 1971.
indian muslim know in the eye of pakistan indian muslim are dark skin,converted less pure muslim.
an indian muslim will get more respect from an indian hindu than a pakistani muslims.
so any sane indian muslim won't identify him with pakistan.
just because saudi arabia has macca,madina that does not mean saudi arabia government represent worldwide muslim population and islam.
indian muslim if have some sense than they will siding with india in any saudi arabia,india war even form religious point of view.
first indian muslim regarded as non pure muslim by wahabi.
so if wahabi won there has high possibility that indian muslim will be demoted as slave with no right in decision making process.
2nd in saudi arabia wahabi regime practice hanabli form of islam which is highly rejected by indian muslim.
any kind of sufism is not tolerated in saudi arabia.
if you find with sufi book than be ready in jail.
majority of indian muslims are barelvi which also mockd by wahabi and salafi as grave worshiper.
"a grave worshiper" is very hateable thing for wahabi.
in a wahabi ruled country barelvi muslim has no place.
all mosque of non wahabi muslim will be destroyed just like what wahabi did in saudi arabia after they gain power .
all sufi dargha will be vanished indian muslim will be banned for doing any kind of sufi ritual.
indian muslim will lose religious freedom.cityzen rights, demoted as 2nd class people if indian state fall under wahabi hand.
indian muslim is more safed,more respected in india than any non wahabi muslim in saudi arabia's wahabi regime.
majority of indian muslim are mature enough to see it.
you have again give incorrect data .
muslim were 9.9% of india's population in 1951 not 7%.
indian muslim are now 14.3% not 17%.
indian muslim can thank indian hindu for tolerance not hinduvta people.
majority of indian hindu don't support hinduvta.
@pnb where you get muslim are 20% of india.
don't spread incorrect data.
you are new so i hope you won't make this mistake in future.
and we should not demonize indian police by religious pov because indian police has people from all religion.
if some police officers do wrong in 1993.
that does not mean we should make intire mumbai police as villen and try to justify the attack on them.
How did you know the police woman/man assulted there did not have any muslim police officer as far as i know 10% of mumbai police were muslim.
how can you describe the assult on mumbai police as muslim anger against" bjp-shivsena b team police"
the people who make distrubance are criminal and should be punished and yes who damage amar jawan jyoti are traitor.
and if indian muslim wants peace and communal harmony than they should discourage any kinds of muslim communalism also.
any kinds of communalism is bad.
hyderabadi muslim also have to ask question to themself how can a communal mim is their's majority choice when they don't want to see any hindu communalism.
reverse hatred can't cure hatred.
only love & mutual respect can cure hatred.
if hyderabadi muslims want to make pravin togdia effectless than they have to chose people like maulana azad's idologist as their leader not a communal owaisi.
i think whenever pravin togdia visit hyd its mim who become happy.
because it gives mim chance to polarize vote on religious line.
the right wing members of dfi are not all defence personalities.
their viewes are personal and it is not the view of dfi authority.
so don't generalise it.
i have interact with the mod,admin of dfi and they are not anti indian muslim at any sense.
I am talking about dfi authority like admin,moderator they are not anti indian muslim like ray da,pmaitra,yousuf,singh sir and other moderator.Don't you see the anti-Muslim hate evident in their comments?
I think writing poem by mixing it with her profession is immature.@SHURIDH Is there is any wrong in the poem written by the ladies police officer?
Did the muslims of India reduced to 2% from 20%. Are there daughter and mothers getting raped by hindus. Are muslims getting converted due to togadia and co. How much protest happened for killing of hindus in pak,ban,kashmir. Did any public property vandalised for that. How many hindu countries are there. So logically where should protest happen for protection of hindus. Does sachar comison only responsible for upliftment of muslims. Are'nt they also responsible like wearing burkha,going to school,rather than madarsa etc.
Why shouldn't muslim by police be caught when 99% of terrorist are muslims.? Muslim are responsible for destroying hindu temples,killing hindus since long time. Isnt that a truth.
So much hatred.sshhhhhh you are communal if you speak out the truth,
The religion of peace frees the kaffirs from their worries
Im not threatening. Im just saying. We all know what happens in riots generally. And that is when just the ultra-fringe elements take part..and this is not just about riots..but political power too...Dont piss off people too much so that they flock to the right wing and everything will be fine. Because at the end of the day we are still the majority and you are minority. We dont want a fight as long as we are respected and our pagan, infidel ways are respected but if a fight is what people like Owaisi want , then they ll have it.You need to tone down your own anti-Muslim rhetoric and stop being intimidating in your comments. We are not the kind of people who turn the other cheek and suffer quietly . If you think that by showing the fear of the rise of rightwing you can threaten or scare us.....then be informed that Muslims are not known for sitting like ducks. We resist and resist good.......bring them on!!! We are not like Buddhists who were wiped out of its land of Origin(I know you will be tempted to blame it on "invaders" too.........read some serious history and you'll know the damage Buddhism was done to by fanatical Hindu kings) ......... .........and survived!!! You think you can scare us off with rightwingers???? baat karta hai!!
Indian Islam is as casteist as Hinduism. If you deny that then you are lying or ignorant.We are the only people who have taken your casteist enterprise HEAD-ON
That was before Partition..not after that and Aryan Invasion Theory has been scientifically disproved long back. Welcome to 21st century.BTW ,The land from western most Pakistan to Eastern Most Bangladesh is as much ours as anyone else's. We don;t need anyone to tell us where to go. Most Muslims in the subcontinent anyways are of Dravidian lineage(the low cast who converted to Islam to escape tyranny) AND DNA tests prove that Dravidians are the original inhabitants of this land and the oldest civilization here. Only our religion has changed and we love it. We have been here for thousands of years and for a million more years to come. If it burns some backs, let it be!! Islam is one of the major components in the reality that is India. The sooner you accept it the better it is for you.