Conspiracy to separate Sikhism from Hinduism

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Sikhism believes in Dharma,Moksha,reincarnation, Karma, Leela and other Dharmic concepts ... no one can deny Sikhism is a Dharmic religion.

All those half wit and bigot arguments that Sikhism is close to Abrahamic religion are just an attempt to create divisions among people of India.

http://koenraadelst.blogspot.fr/2010/07/guru-nanak-was-hindu.html

In contemporary devotional pictures and posters of Guru Nanak (1469-1539), as seen in taxis and shops, the Guru is invariably shown as wearing a pagari or turban, like his pupils (Sikh-s) today. But this is a recently-imposed convention, not followed in his own day and in subsequent centuries.



In traditional paintings, the Gurus never wore turbans, a custom that even according to Sikh teaching itself was only instituted by the tenth and last Guru, Govind Singh, in 1699. All the Gurus are typically shown as wearing a topi (Hindu-style cap) and patka (sash). We discuss one instance.

K.C. Aryan (born 11 August 1919, died 2002), a Partition refugee from West Panjab, was an accomplished painter. He founded the Museum for Tribal and Folk Art in Gurgaon, still functioning today. He saved plenty of old paintings, sculptures and other arts & crafts objects for posterity by collecting them in his museum or donating them to more established institutions.

In 1970, he presented to the publishing unit of Punjabi University Patiala a manuscript with illustrations for a book, 100 Years Survey of Panjab Painting (1841-1941). It was eventually published by the PUP in 1975, but only in mutilated form. The Senate Board of the University objected to the inclusion of one particular painting, and threatened that if it were published, the grant for the whole publishing unit would be stopped.

The contentious painting, executed by a Pahari painter in the mid-19th century (whose name, as often in folk art, remains unknown), shows a topi-wearing Guru Nanak praying to Lord Vishnu. The Board took the Sikh-separatist line that that Sikhism has nothing to do with Hinduism, and that the Gurus are above the “Brahminical” gods. It is the same line that keeps the Sikh establishment from calling their central shrine, the Hari Mandir (“Vishnu temple”), by its proper name, hiding it behind the superficial designation “Golden Temple” or the Moghul term “Darbar Sahib”. It is also why in 1922 they threw out from the Hari Mandir the murti-s that had been worshipped there ever since Arjan Dev inaugurated it in 1604. Sikh identity as a separate religion, rather than as one of the many panth-s in the Hindu commonwealth, is based on a denial of history, and this requires a constant censoring of unwilling historical data: names changed, scriptures doctored, murti-s thrown away, the publication of a painting suppressed.

K.C. Aryan donated the painting in ca. 1982 to the Himachal State Museum in Shimla. There, it is significantly not on display but kept in storage. That is, if it has not been lost or illegally sold by some babu unconcerned with art and heritage; or somehow eliminated by one with Khalistani.leanings eager to destroy the evidence for an inconvenient fact: that Guru Nanak was every inch a Hindu.
 

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Yes i have read the pew 2050 projection.

Hindu - 1.3 billion

Muslims - 320 millions

The thing is we can't stop them if people identify themselves as sects,it took Sikhism 300 ~ year to established as separate religion so i am sure kabirpanthi won't be a religion in near future.

I would also like to say that i respect all those small sects/religions who consider India as their home and their allegiance is towards this land not Arabia,so if somebody ask me to convert to Sikhism i would happily convert as it is the religion/sect of this land ..... Just like several sects shaiva,kapalik,vaishnava assimilated into Hinduism in some point of time.
Those 1.3 billion are fractured, that's what the pew report won't mention. Many of them will vote against hindu interests and are rabid hindu haters, yet classify as "hindus" for census purposes. The pew report also doesn't take into consideration the # of crypto christians. There are just too many fault lines in Hindu community to list.

As for muslims, during 47 even shias, xtians, ahmadiyyas came together with sunnis to screw us over.
 

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What is this 2020 referendum ?
They are trying to hold online referendum on khalistan with help of USA.

Even had stuff last month where all these outside khalistan organizations came to amritsar & held meeting electing jagtar Singh hawara as new jathedar akal takht.

He's currently in jail on various cases, there is serious attempt in past 10 years especially since 2012 vaisakhi to revive this idiocy.

Lol, Pakistan is our friend & pandit who runs small mandir & prays for sarbhat da bhalla is worst enemy. :rofl:
 

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Sikhism believes in Dharma,Moksha,reincarnation, Karma, Leela and other Dharmic concepts ... no one can deny Sikhism is a Dharmic religion.

All those half wit and bigot arguments that Sikhism is close to Abrahamic religion are just an attempt to create divisions among people of India.
It also ignores fact that Krishna ji Buddha ji mahavir ji all talk of parmatma.

That is main thing saying Sikh close to islam is saying they got reincarnation from Hindus one God from a pedo lol.

Without it, it's obvious even to zakir naik which side we're on.
 

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You see we believe in Ganpati,' Sharma clarifies 'and since a few years before 1926 we had been having problems with a few Muslim miscreants attempting to stop the God's annual procession. The fact a few Sikhs stood up for us resulted in the events of '26-'30...' (45)For Muslims and Sikhs alike Mal Tekri was a sacred site, historically home to Sayyid Shah Hussain Lakhar. According to Irfaz Sheikh, 'Sayyid Sahib was an operator of a kitchen for mendicants. Some of our forefathers felt he was overstepping the mark because he fed both Hindu and Muslim alike, but others were in awe of him. Whenever he required funds he would dig them up from one side of the sand hill he lived and operated on. A mosque was built nearby, in his honor, after he died but it was soon abandoned. Why? I do not know...' According to Gopal Singh, 'even they (the Muslims) do not deny this but Hussain Ji was an immigrant. It is said he used to reside in Sri Kartarpur Sahib and was a devotee of Sri Guru Harogobind Sahib Ji who instructed him to be a Muslim as implied by Guru Nanak Dev Ji and not by his creed. Of a sensitive heart, the Guru warned him to depart Punjab or in the following Sikh-Mughal Wars he would be scarred for life. Sahib Ji immigrated to Nanded with his family. The Guru had advised him to seek out this specific hill for Guru Nanak Dev Ji had buried treasure here. Whenever he so required, Hussain Ji always found enough gold coins here for his purposes. When the Tenth King arrived here with Bahadur Shah, the latter appealed for his assistance in soothing his mutinous troops. The Guru advised Bhai Daya Singh Ji to seek out the elderly Hussain who after paying obeisance to the Guru revealed to him the location of the treasure. It was from this horde that the Guru paid the rebellious Mughals. Afterwards he ordered Hussain Ji to keep mum and not reveal the exact location of the treasure. When the Khalsa would reign only then would it be made transparent. After the Guru's demise, Bahadur Shah would murder Hussain Ji and his brother for the location of the treasure but both would remain silent past their last breaths.'
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BTW, does this example just mean for a muslim to basically be a crypto hindu?

Obviously this was during time when muslims were probably 1/20 so relevance today is nil.

Most of them will never be like this and the one's that will be will leave Islam officially or by helping us anyway.

Examples like this are contrasted with sucha nand or gangu brahmin to create modern 'sikh' discourse.

Ignores fact that majority of Sikhs are Jatts who practice jathera so technically 'hindus' according to khalistanis.

Lol even actual khalistanis in canada did jathera & worshipped devi devta.

Very few sikh households without pictures of Shiva Mata and/or Hanuman Ji.

Need to restore a sanskrit based education system. Not necessarily in sanskrit as @Bangalorean makes point that no one's speaks it.

But with sanskrit values which are basically

Pro order
Pro state
Pro family
 

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J.Malcom on why British need to get rid of the Akali Nihangs

Sketch of the Sikhs, 1812



https://books.google.com/books?id=GMUKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119#v=onepage&q&f=false

Nihangs are among the traditional sikhs, still maintain many of the Hindu warrior traditions of the old.


Portrayed as drunken outcasts in post 1857 world. Many are also celibate similar to rss so :/

They prove that ultimately using shame as persuasion is inferior to violence as persuasion.

Without shastar guru nothing would have survived.
 

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They're trying to create different mythos for Sikhs one based ultimately on abrahamic
virtues.

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2015/10/14/the-moral-disarmament-of-the-white-race

In order to combat the systems of thought that morally disarm us, and construct new systems of thought and values that are life affirming for our people, we must understand the foundation upon which every worldview rests. Religion, philosophy, and ideology rest upon a foundation ofmyth. Myth is the lifeblood of a system of thought, it is the soil in which in grows; without the foundation of myth, a system of thought is sterile.

Before going further, it would be useful to define what a “myth” really is. In common parlance, “myth” is used to connote something false, or brings to mind quaint fables that are of value only for entertainment. This is a superficial view, myth, to quote Jonathan Bowden is

the commingling of emotional reality with what is understood to be fact. It is noumenal truth, as Aristotle said 2000 years ago, the idea that certain things are artistically and emotionally true irrespective of what you think of them factually.

Myth is more than the attempts of pre-scientific man to understand his world, and certainly more than entertaining bedtime stories. Myth communicates at a subconscious, emotional level through the use of allegory, symbolism, poetic imagery, and metaphor. Myth is the portrayal of human nature in allegorical form. It resonates because the gods, goddesses, heroes, and creatures depicted are representations of various drives and facets of human nature; they are archetypes that embody all facets of the human condition. These archetypes are the noble and base parts of human nature made flesh, condensed into the figure of the mythic hero, the god, or the monster.

Rather than communicating his values through an abstract system of ethics, which could reach only the proverbial “one percent” of humanity capable of understanding philosophic thought, the mythic artist embodies his values through his creation, through his gods, heroes, and villains. Because of this, myth is able to instruct both the foolish and the wise. The foolish comprehend only the surface-level meaning of the myth, and are enriched, brought to a higher level of consciousness than they would have achieved without the art of the myth-maker. The wise are able to read the myth as allegory, rather than as literal truth, and create systems of theology and philosophy based on the foundation the the artist created. Myth is the medium that communicates both to the masses and the elites; it shapes the moral landscape of society as a whole. The mythic artist creates a worldview in which man can conceive of himself as something other than a naked animal on a rock hurtling through the void. He adds significance to life; his work allows man to sublimate the baser parts of his nature in service of something transcendent.

The mythological framework of a culture in large part determines its values, its moral landscape. It demonstrates what that society values, what it finds noble, and what it finds contemptible. A societies myths re-enforces the bonds of community through a shared system of values; it re-enforces man's biologically influenced social nature. Thus if one is to understand a culture, a people—why they hold certain values and why they act a certain way—one must understand its mythic framework.

The mythic framework of the West is a product of Christianity. Christianity became the dominant religion in the West when it became the state religion of Rome during 380 A.D, a position which it held until mid 18th century, when it was superseded by liberalism, the current dominant ideology. This did not entail a rejection of Christianity, rather, liberalism evolved from Christianity; fundamentally, it is Christian morality secularized.
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Gurus obviously created a new panth but used the same mythos as before. To keep link as it's same everything else, that's what they keep people from understanding.

They're trying to inject liberalism into Sikhi which caste system is best at resisting. So it's just attrition against West until we as Hindus can reassert ourselves as a collective.
 
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Max Arthur Macaullife suggesting that Sikh prophecies are in favor of English Raj

- The Sikh religion, 1909

A movement to declare the Sikhs Hindus, in direct opposition to the teaching of the Gurus, is widespread and of long duration. I have only quite recently met in Lahore young men claiming to be descendants of the Gurus, who told me that they were Hindus, and that they could not read the characters in which the sacred books of the Sikhs were written. Whether the object of their tutors and advisers was or was not to make them disloyal, such youths are ignorant of the Sikh religion, and of its prophecies favour of the English, and contract exclusive social customs and prejudices to the extent of calling us Malechhas, or persons of impure desires, and inspiring disgust for the customs and habits of Christians.
It is important to place these prophecies in front of the Sikh soldiery to re-enforce loyalty to raj :-

It is admitted that a knowledge of the religions of the people of India. is a desideratum for the British Officials who administer its affairs and indirectly for the people who are governed by them so that mutual sympathy may be produced. It seems, at any rate, politic to place before the Sikh soldiery their Guru's prophecies in favour of the English and the texts of their sacred writings which foster their loyalty.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/skh/tsr1/tsr101.htm

All through the book, he emphasizes how Sikhs are different from Hindus and more like the British. The need perhaps arises because the Brits start getting suspicious of Sikh loyalty just prior to WW1 & recruitment shifts to Muslims. Jinnah actively supported British efforts during WW1.


Ghadar movement & Kuka Rebellion :-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghadar_Party
http://www.gktoday.in/kuka-movement-1872/


https://archive.org/stream/Developm...tics (1910-1911) - D Petrie#page/n27/mode/2up

 

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How stroking Sikh nationalism back fired for the British.

Sikh nationalism was meant to hurt the Hindus, but in fact it hurt the British. For what nourished Sikh nationalism also nour- ished Hindu nationalism. The glories of Sikh Gurus are part of the glories of the Hindus, and these have been sung by poets like Tagore and others. On the other hand, as Christians and as rulers, the British could not go very far in this direction. In fact, in their more private consultations, they spoke contemp- tuously of the Gurus. Mr. Petrie considered Guru Arjun Dev as "essentially a mercenary," who was "prepared to fight for or against the Mughul as convenience or profit dictated;" he tells us how "Tegh Bahadur, as an infidel, a robber and a rebel, was executed at Delhi by the Moghul authorities." As imperialists, they naturally sympathised with the Moghuls and shared their view-point.

While the British were devotedly busy consolidating the Empire, other forces detrimental to their labour were also at work. Indians were an ancient people and they could not be kept in subjugation for long. The Time-Spirit was also against the British. Even during the heydays of Sikh loyalty to the British, there were many rebellious voices. One Baba Nihal Singh wrote (1885) a book entitled Khurshid-i-Khalsa, which "dealt in an objectionable manner with the British occupation of the Punjab." When Gokhale visited the Punjab in 1907, he was received with great enthusiasm by the students of the Khalsa College, an institution started in 1892 specifically to instil loyalty in the Sikh youth.The horses of his carriage were taken out and it was pulled by the students.He spoke from the college Dharamsala from which the Granth Sahib was specially removed to make room for him. It was here that the famous poem, Pagri Sainbhal, Jatta, was first recited by Banke Dayal, editor of Jhang Sayal; it became the battle-song of the Punjab revolutionaries,

There was a general awakening which could not but affect the Sikh youth, too, Mr. Petrie observes that the "Sikhs have not been, and are not, immune from the disloyal influences which have been at work among other sections of the populace."

A most powerful voice of revolt came from America where many Punjabis, mostly Sikh Jat ex-soldiers, had settled. Many of them had been ln Hong Kong and other places as soldiers in the British regiments. There they heard of a far-away country where people were free and prosperous. Their imagination was fired. The desire to emigrate was reinforced by very bad conditions at home. The drought of 1905-1907 and the epidemic in its wake had killed two million people in the Punjab. In the first decade of this century, the region suffered a net decrease in population. Due to new fiscal and monetary policies and new economic arrangements, there was a large-scaie alienation of land from the cultivators and hundreds of thousands of the poor and middle peasants were wiped out or fell into debt: Many of them emigrated and settled in British Columbia, particularly Vancouver. Here they were treated with contempt. They realized for the first time that their sorry status abroad was due to their colonial status at home. They also began to see the link between India's poverty and British imperialism. Thus many of them, once loyal soldiers who took pride in this fact, turned rebels. They raised the banner of Indian nationalism and spoke against the Singh Sabhas, the Chief Khalsa Diwan and the Sardar Bahadurs at home. They spoke of Bharat-Mata; their heroes were patriots and revolutionaries from Bengal and Maharashtra, and not their co-religionists in the Punjab whom they called the "traffikers of the country."

The earlier trends, some of them mutually opposed, became important components of subsequent Sikh politics. The pre-war politics continued under new labels at an accelerated pace. During this period, social fraternization with the Hindus continued as before, but politically the Sikh community became more sharply defined and acquired a greater group-consciousness.

In the pre-war period, an attempt had been made to de-Hinduize Sikhism; now it was also Khalsa-ized. Hitherto, the Sikh temples were managed by non- Khalsa Sikhs, mostly the Udasis, now these were seized and taken out of their hands. Khalsa activists, named Akalis, "belonging to the Immortal," moved from place to place and occupied different Gurudwaras. These eventually came under control of the Shiromani Gurudwara Prabandhak Committee in 1925. From this point onwards. Sikh religion was heavily politicalised. Those who controlled resources of the temples controlled Sikh politics. The SGPC Act of 1925 defined Sikhs in a manner which excluded the Sahaja dharis and included only the Khalsa. SGPC, Akalis, Jathas became important in the life of the Sikh community. Non-Khalsa Sikhs became second-grade members of the community. The Akalis representing the Khalsa, acquired a new self-importance. In their new temper, they even came into conflict with the British on several occasions. The Government was less sure now of their unquestioning loyalty. As a result, their share in the Army fell from 19.2 percent in 1914 to 13.58 percent in 1930; while the Muslim share rose from 11 to 22 percent during the same period.

http://www.hindunet.org/home/sikh/rverma/goel5.html
 

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Last 2 post sums up why there were many efforts by British just pre-WW1 to invoke the "prophecies" and win over Sikh loyalty again. They keep mentioning how Sikhs are distinct from Hindus and need to remove the "troublesome" elements from among the Sikhs. It becomes a recurring theme prior to WW1 in face of growing resentment in Punjab .

Few more instances





- Cults, Customs & Superstitions of India, John Campbell Oman, 1908

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924021023654#page/n149/mode/2up



- Indian Unrest, Valentine Chirol, 1910
http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Indian_Unrest_1000496041/123

An excerpt from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes series, from 1890. Again disparaging the Hindus and highlighting how Sikhs are similar to English. Shows that this was a long term project of the British. Note the usage of "Mahomet" as a Sikh name.



https://books.google.com/books?id=a5SGAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT253&lpg=PT253
 
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An excellent article from Khushwant Singh on Sikhism

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/the-poets-of-enterprise/207206

I'll post some excerpts relevant to this thread but the whole article is worth a read :-

Hindus and Sikhs has always been roti-beti ka rishta (breaking bread in common and giving daughters in marriage), or nauh-maas da rishta (as fingernail is to the flesh)
The real danger to the Khalsa has always been, as it is today, the absorptive capacity of Hinduism. An English scholar correctly described it as the boa constrictor of the Indian jungles: it can swallow religions which come in contact with it, with special taste for its own offspring.
Guru Gobind compiled an anthology of his own, the Dasam Granth. While the Adi (first) Granth is essentially a distillation of the Vedanta in Punjabi, the Dasam (10th) is a compilation of tales of valour of Hindu goddesses, some composed by the Guru himself, others by bards of his court.
The roots of Sikhism lie deep in the Bhakti form of Hinduism. Guru Nanak picked what he felt were its salient features: belief in one God who is undefinable, unborn, immortal, omniscient, all-pervading and the epitome of Truth; belief in the institution of the Guru as the guide in matters spiritual; unity of mankind without distinction of caste; rejection of idol worship and meaningless ritual; sanctity of the sangat (congregation) which was expected to break bread together at the Guru ka Langar; the gentle way of sahaj to approach God while fulfilling domestic obligations; hymn singing (kirtan); emphasis on work as a moral obligation.
The compilation of the Adi Granth around 1604 AD was a landmark in the evolution of Sikhism. Though an eclectic work with compositions of Hindu and Muslim saints, it echoes the Vedanta through most of its nearly 6,000 hymns. There is a new breed of Sikh scholars who bend backwards to prove Sikhism has taken little or nothing from Hinduism. All they need to be told is that of the 15,028 names of God that appear in the Adi Granth, Hari occurs over 8,000 times, Ram 2,533 times, followed by Prabhu, Gopal Govind, Parbrahm and other Hindu nomenclature for the Divine.The purely Sikh coinage 'Wahe Guru' appears only 16 times.
The final transition came after the execution of the ninth Guru, Tegh Bahadur, in 1675. His son, Guru Gobind, justified the transition in a letter, Zafarnamah, said to have been addressed to Emperor Aurangzeb: "When all other means have failed it is righteous to draw the sword". Guru Gobind's concept of God underwent a martial metamorphosis. In his Akal Ustat (Praise of the Timeless God) he wrote:

Eternal God, thou art our shield,
The dagger, knife, the sword we wield.
To us Protector there is given
The timeless, deathless Lord of Heaven;
To us All-steel's unvanquished might,
To us All-time's resistless flight;
But chiefly Thou, Protector brave
All-steel, wilt Thine own servant save

In his ode to Goddess Chandi, Guru Gobind asked Lord Shiva to grant him the most fitting end to a warrior's life:
O Lord, these boons of Thee I ask,
Let me never shun a righteous task,
Let me be fearless when I go to battle,
Give me faith that victory will be mine,
Give me power to sing Thy praise,
And when comes the time to end my life,
Let me fall in mighty strife.
 

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Last Sikh Maharaja Ranjit Singh's flag with kumara, durga & marutI; others had kumara on peacock.



"The majority of central motifs found on the battle standards of the Sikh Kingdom of Lahore all have a common theme related to victory in battle.

On the battle standards captured during the Sikh wars we find the image of the Hindu warrior goddess Durga riding a tiger or lion with weapons in her multiple arms accompanied by two attendants. In Hinduism Durga is regarded as an invincible warrior goddess who was created to fight an asura (an inhuman force/demon) named Mahishasura. [6]"

"The two Maharaja Sher Singh military banners in the Soltykoff sketch also have central motifs related to the theme of victory in battle. The banners contain two of the Matrikas, a group of Hindu war goddesses that are usually depicted together. One banner has a central motif of the war goddess Kaumari. Within Hinduism Kaumari is considered the power of Kumara, the god of war. Kaumari is depicted on the banner riding a peacock, with multiple heads and holding weapons in her multiple arms. The other battle standard only partially visible in the Soltykoff sketch shows a depiction of the war goddess Varahi described in Hinduism as the power of Varaha - the boar-headed form of Vishnu or Yama - the god of death, with a boar head on a human body. [7] Varahi is depicted on the banner holding weapons in her multiple arms."


More on Khalsa flags here :- http://sanatansikhi.blogspot.com/2012/04/hindu-khalsa-flags-of-18th-19th-century.html
 

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Guru Nanak Dev Ji on the secular hero Babar and his destruction of Hindustan. Many Khalistanis take offence to use of "Hindustan" but this is used by the Guru himself. Also yet another proof of continuation of Bharat as a single, unified federal entity contrary to "India never existed before British" claim of marxists.



"This priceless country has been laid waste and defiled by dogs, and no one pays any attention to the dead."



http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=360&english=t&id=16507#l16507
 

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Ugardanti Bani of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji :-

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/downloads/Gurbani/Uggardanti.pdf

Numerous references to Gods and Godesses here. 1st stanza, page 8 has the popular phrase many may have heard of :-

"Sakal jagat main Khalsa Panth gaje / Jage dharam Hindu sakal bhand bhaje"

Translation :-

"Sanction me to destroy all the evil (persons) - (and) end this every day conflict between the Hindus and Muslims.

Ample brave Singh warriors will rise. They will face the Turks and and make them defenceless.

Throughout the world the Khalsa Panth will be prominent The Hindu Dharma will prevail, and the Turks will be in flight"
 
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Sikh ruler Maharaja Ranjit Singh, had donated massive amounts of gold to the Jagannath temple. In his last will, he also ordered that Koh-i-noor, the most precious and greatest diamond in the world, to be donated to this temple, but the diamond could never actually make its way to the temple because the British, by that time, had annexed the Punjab and all its royal possessions. Thus, claiming that the Koh-i-noor was theirs. It is currently a part of British crown jewels and is located in the Tower of London.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagannath_Temple,_Puri#Ranjit_Singh.27s_will
 
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When Sikhs consider themselves separate from Hinduism according to the teachings and Sikh theology,then we should also honor their beliefs and stop associating Hinduism with Sikhism.
What a stupid logic.


When a man considers himself a monkey does that make him a monkey? I am asking because a similar kind of stupidity runs in the west as well with genders. What someone thinks about himself is a subjective issue and cannot be a basis for am objective analysis.


And this artificial deconstruct have to be debunked as it was the prime basis for the khalistan movement and the subsequent anti Sikh progrom
 

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What a stupid logic.


When a man considers himself a monkey does that make him a monkey? I am asking because a similar kind of stupidity runs in the west as well with genders. What someone thinks about himself is a subjective issue and cannot be a basis for am objective analysis.


And this artificial deconstruct have to be debunked as it was the prime basis for the khalistan movement and the subsequent anti Sikh progrom
Rich coming from a guy who have never seen a sikh in his life ...... but plz tell your logic to a Sikh and have a free face restructure surgery plus this debate has nothing to do with khalistan.

Khalistan was started and ended by Sikhs alone those Sikhs who crushed khalistan were Sikhs,they never claimed to be Hindus.

But i am sure this kind of pan hindu india mentality is enough for khalistan 2.0.
 
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