Consequences of High Population

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What I'm saying is, a large population coupled with lack of resources is a bad combination. Other nations are not going to give resources for free, it's going to get costlier. And to feed a large population is going to get more difficult. Hence population control.
Lack of resources?:dude:??

We have enough resources to grow at a annual 10-12% now and for a two decades more and then 8-10% for the next decade and become the largest economy by 2050 and still manage a 6% growth. This is given by Goldman Sachs, when he described the potential of BRIC.
@hello_10 for some one who hopes so much about BRICs, you seem to be awefully short sighted

Here is a question for you. until 1990, Anyone saying India would become a economic giant would have been laughed upon. But then in 1995, Goldman Sachs says that India will be the largest economy by 2050-2060, "If it lived to its potential". Now explain why. Something magical happened between 1990-1995, huh?
 
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What I'm saying is, a large population coupled with lack of resources is a bad combination. Other nations are not going to give resources for free, it's going to get costlier. And to feed a large population is going to get more difficult. Hence population control.
India is a resource rich nation, who told you we lacked resources??
 

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Answer my basic question, how did Japan, which cant feed its own people(it imports its food unlike India) manage to prosper? BUt India can atleast feed its own people.

The answer is, Japan was simply more efficient in managing its Human resource. Give me a better answer if you can.
Japan and Korea were helped by rapid industrialization in 60s and 70s which helped them get developed, maintain flow of foreign money by export. but now they would find it hard to maintain lifestyle of their people with the limited resources they have, as other countries are also getting industriliased now........

the same problem we see in case of US and EU also.but oil/mineral rich countries are on safe side as anyhow they will maintain flow of money by export of energy/minerals. and whether it was US+EU+East Asian nations who were exporting products to them till now. or from now onwards, from China+Asia. but the same isn't true in case of EU+Japan+Korea, simple isn't it??? while US would pump more oil/gas to survive, as per the recent news........

thats why, see how japan and china are fighting for every small island nowdays, just for bit more natural resources, isn't it??????
 
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What kind of resources are we talking about ? Just to check we re on the same page.
Name your resource and we have it, Iron, coal, thorium, water, wood, tin, aluminium, food???

We lack oil, which we could have managed the same way we are going to manage in the coming years, say the next few decades.

We could have used nuclear power for generation of electricity, and then used the oil, and excess farm lands for generating ethanol! The possibilities are limitless.

But then again, do you believe in Goldman sach's report about BRICs??
 

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Japan and Korea were helped by rapid industrialization in 60s and 70s which helped them get developed, maintain flow of foreign money by export. but now they would find it hard to maintain lifestyle of their people with the limited resources they have, as other countries are also getting industriliased now........
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Exactly ;)

To elaborate further, if they could have achieved Industrialisation in the 60s and 70s, what prevented us from doing that?

Thats because we fcuked ourselves up with socialism, the most efficient to destroy the wealth of the nation :D
 
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Name your resource and we have it, Iron, coal, thorium, water, wood, tin, aluminium, food???

We lack oil, which we could have managed the same way we are going to manage in the coming years, say the next few decades.

We could have used nuclear power for generation of electricity, and then used the oil, and excess farm lands for generating ethanol! The possibilities are limitless.

But then again, do you believe in Goldman sach's report about BRICs??
India has a land area of the about 3.2 M sq.km. and a population of around 1.2 B, i.e. about 2.2% and about 17% of the world's land area and population respectively. All shares of resource reserves we have are less than what we should have with regards to our land area percentage (2.2%), with the exception of arable land, coal, thorium and possibly iron (though I am not sure about Fe). And all shares of resource reserves we have are less than what we should have with regards to our population percentage(17%), with the exception of arable land, thorium.

I could be wrong here, so correct me if I m wrong.

Oops I'm not aware of the Goldman Sachs report. Explain more about that.
 

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@hello_10 I dont know how far I am right, but I am sure I read that we can grow and sustain our economy with a domestic consumption unlike the export oriented Asian Tigers, like the way US did!
 
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:hail:

Exactly ;)

To elaborate further, if they could have achieved Industrialisation in the 60s and 70s, what prevented us from doing that?

Thats because we fcuked ourselves up with socialism, the most efficient to destroy the wealth of the nation :D
now India, China too are doing the same....

sir, you would either have enough natural resources to feed your people or you have to import it. and as Japan, Korea gained on export side in 60s, 70s, 80s and maintained that lead till now, they could maintain high lifestyle of their people, which is now tough as other nations have also got enough competancy. and yes, developing high techs also helped them improve life............

and here, is there any reason why Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Australia, Canada are rich while the same isn't true in case of non-oil/mineral exporting countries?????? simple, they export their energy/minerals and import the necessary stuffs. like in case of Greece, or other struggling European nations, they have to increase their export to run industries and hence maintain flow of money, but as they have lost their share of export to China, they are in a mess now, isn't it????

and also, dont we know the same reason, why US is now more willing to pump oil, than importing? simply because they are now in the position to lose export market to China and other emerging economies......

again in short, you would either have enough natural resources to feed high population or you have to import it. and if you can't export the same to have the required level of import of what you dont have in your country, you gone :wave:

or, now have Dog/Pig Fight like ongoing military conflicts between China and Japan for small islands, to have bit more resources :wave:
 

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India has a land area of the about 3.2 M sq.km. and a population of around 1.2 B, i.e. about 2.2% and about 17% of the world's land area and population respectively.
Did you read my point that India has the largest area under cultivation and the largest arable land in the world? And Dude, India is EXPORTING food for the other countries. What more do you want?:dude:

And Remember, South Korea, Taiwan etc are also having a high population relative to their land mass.

All shares of resource reserves we have are less than what we should have with regards to our land area percentage (2.2%), with the exception of arable land, coal, thorium and possibly iron (though I am not sure about Fe). And all shares of resource reserves we have are less than what we should have with regards to our population percentage(17%), with the exception of arable land, thorium.
And still Japan managed an awesome economic prowess, so did the South Korea. with much lesser mineral resources than us

And this is precisely why I brought Population density and not Population per se. Even then Japan is the ninth most populous nation in the world.

I could be wrong here, so correct me if I m wrong.

Oops I'm not aware of the Goldman Sachs report. Explain more about that.
:: Goldman Sachs Report on India ::

Please note that this report was a very old one, when we were not fcuked by the UPA's socialist mess ups. Now probably they might have reduced the Predictions

And Goldman Sachs was the one to describe the potential of BRICs

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now India, China too are doing the same....
Why now? Why not before? To be precise why after 1979 for china and why after 1991 for India?

sir, you would either have enough natural resources to feed your people or you have to import it. and as Japan, Korea gained on export side in 60s, 70s, 80s and maintained that lead till now, they could maintain high lifestyle of their people, which is now tough as other nations have also got enough competancy. and yes, developing high techs also helped them improve life............
And BRIC nations have magically created the resources now, right?:rolleyes:

and here, is there any reason why Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Australia, Canada are rich while the same isn't true in case of non-oil/mineral exporting countries?????? simple, they export their energy/minerals and import the necessary stuffs. like in case of Greece, or other struggling European nations, they have to increase their export to run industries and hence maintain flow of money, but as they have lost their share of export to China, they are in a mess now, isn't it????
:bs: The Europeans are struggling for the precise reason we fcked ourselves up- Socialism

and also, dont we know the same reason, why US is now more willing to pump oil, than importing? simply because they are now in the position to lose export market to China and other emerging economies......

again in short, you would either have enough natural resources to feed high population or you have to import it. and if you can't export the same to have the required level of import of what you dont have in your country, you gone :wave:
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You are missing the Point.

How did they manage to become the export hub(Japan and SK)?

If they could become one, why not us?

or, now have Dog/Pig Fight like ongoing military conflicts between China and Japan for small islands, to have bit more resources :wave:
And stop trolling, are we locked on with Disputes with china and Pakistan for resources??:dude: It is irrelevent to the context
 
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Population growth biggest threat to India's development

Rising population is the greatest threat to the sustainable development in India, a policy maker has told a recent summit.

Rural areas in particular must receive better formal education on environmental issues to improve the quality of stewardship.

SP Singh, a planning advisor to the state of Uttarakhand said that the failure to manage population in the Gangetic plains of Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Jharkhand could lead to the disruption of natural resource management in Himalayan region. :facepalm:

Singh called for improvements in society's understanding of the economic and environmental impact of ecosystem services.

He also said a system of accountability was required to prevent the indiscriminate use of natural resources.

At an international level, Indian politicians are calling for the right to use their resources to pursue development, without externally imposed constraints from the UN.

The Environmental concerns and sustainable development conference, organised by the Institute of Environment and Sustainable Development (IESD), Banaras Hindu University, also heard a plea for local knowledge to come to the fore.

"Wisdom emerging from the local community is a better method for sustainable development," said Professor PS Ramakrishnan, Jawaharlal Nehru University, who pointed to political conflict as the main driver of environmental degradation.

India is currently facing the "perfect storm" scenario of escalating climate impacts, rapidly growing population and increasing development all putting pressure on food security and ecosystem health.

Instilling sustainability concepts for developing nations, such as efficient cook stoves and clean lighting can have benefits for human health and the environment.

The Sundarbans habitat, which spans Indian and Bangladeshi territory is currently under is facing immense environmental pressures and could soon be home to a new coal power station.

Population growth biggest threat to India's development | RTCC - Responding to Climate Change
 

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Real Threat to Environment is Increasing Population

Sunday, June 5, was World Environment Day. A day when polyester-fibre ribbons were cut and bulky books and reports using bleached fine stationery and funds from international agencies launched in CFC-using air conditioned wood-panelled halls. A day when the elites had the satisfaction of doing something for the environment and when schools encouraged children to use wax crayons and synthetic paints to paint trees and animals (which most of them have never seen except from the balcony of the resort-room in vacation or a fleeting glance of a black-buck when the family went on tiger-watching safari but failed to see one) on fine grade virgin-paper.

Some enthusiastic urban yuppies parked themselves for a few extra hours in front of the PC to shoot a thousand mails to countless like-minded about their wish to switch off power for an hour on a particular day to 'Save Environment'. This will be followed by couple of parties and boozing sessions to finalise the plans, which are then communicated through more emails, phone calls, bike rallies, SMS and so on.

India's problem with the environment is best illustrated and manifested at the safari parks. Moneyed and fat, gutkha-chewing and power-wielding urban families land in the finest forest resorts in subsidised diesel-burning expensive SUVs with the most expensive cameras and gadgetry to watch tigers and (lions if the place is Gir forest). Early in the morning, hundreds of them turn out, ready to shell out Rs3,000-Rs4,000 for an entry permit, entry ticket, guide charges, vehicle fees etc, outside the forest department offices.

A caravan of 50 SUVs, each loaded with about eight to 10 people, all searching for a tiger. Soon the guides create excitement over a wireless message about a tiger spotting some distance away.

They wear an earnest air to convince you. When you return frustrated, they congratulate every one. "Boss, do you see that? You are damn lucky! The tiger passed just 5-minutes back"¦. See that fresh tiger-potty"¦. It wasn't there 15 minutes earlier. Its still watery"¦.". I will spare you the banal details of what all the guides hard sell.

The cubs, the children and adults then go back with souvenirs of Save the Tiger T-shirts and caps. Can any one in a sane state of mind actually believe that the tiger or even a wild sparrow wait at a corner under a thicket when a circus of a dozen diesel-guzzling and noise-belching vehicles pass by? Do 500 people who have spent about Rs10,000 per head for a jungle vacation really believe that a tiger will be waiting to give them a 'darshan' amid high-pitched-cacophony in all the spoken languages of India?

These people maybe silly, like most of us are, but they are not ill-meaning. They just don't know what to do about the environment: so they decide to spend their hard-earned money to at least see it. Someone needs to tell them what they can do to not ruin it; there is no need to make a patronising statement to save it.

The whole circus of environment protection in India is heading towards becoming a farcical industry. They are far from talking about the real problem. Under the disguise of development and growth, the spineless politicians and money-multiplying industries will want to avoid talking about it. The economists have re-packaged the weakness as strength. The real problem lies in the ever-increasing population of India. With 1/5 of the world's population, we have only 1/20 of the world's land. We also have the world's highest population growth rate on such a scale of population. For a simple comparison, we don't even have one-third the land resources that China has. :facepalm:

How is a fragile eco-system of a river or even a sea, if some 5 billion people use a flush daily? How can rain forests exist if the country consumes several lakh tons of tea every morning? Like the disappearing Aravalli Hills, most of the hills near urban sprawls will soon be history as they will be consumed for mammoth construction projects as raw material. This nation needs an immediate re-look at the population policy and consumption of resources for industries if we don't want to end up killing each other for a glass of fresh water or for a breath of fresh air. Will any economist, environmentalist please stand up on this occasion to tell the truth — where will we head with the exponential multiplication of our population?

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High population density is greatest risk factor for water-linked diseases

COLUMBUS, Ohio – Water-associated infectious disease outbreaks are more likely to occur in areas where a region's population density is growing, according to a new global analysis of economic and environmental conditions that influence the risk for these outbreaks.

Ohio State University scientists constructed a massive database containing information about 1,428 water-associated disease outbreaks that were reported between 1991 and 2008 around the world. By combining outbreak records with data on a variety of socio-environmental factors known about the affected regions, the researchers developed a model that can be used to predict risks for water-associated disease outbreaks anywhere in the world.

The research appears in PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases, a journal published by the Public Library of Science.

There are five different categories of water-associated diseases, depending on the role water plays in the disease transmission process. Population density was a risk factor for all types of these diseases. Prolonged and excessive heat was shown to be a driver of water-related diseases that are transmitted to people by insect bites.

The study shows that clusters of reported outbreaks tended to occur in Western Europe, Central Africa, Northern India and Southeast Asia. These regions, as well as Latin America and eastern Brazil, were targeted as potential "hot spots" at highest risk for future water-associated disease outbreaks ranging from E. coli-related diarrhea to dengue fever.

World health experts conservatively estimate that 4 percent of deaths – almost 2 million annually – and 5.7 percent of illnesses around the world are caused by infectious diseases related to unsafe water and sanitation and hygiene problems. Getting a better handle on the socio-environmental factors that affect the risks for water-associated disease outbreaks is a first step toward guiding policymakers as they prioritize the distribution of health resources around the world, the researchers say.

"We know water is essential to life, but we also know that water is a vehicle that can carry hazards. If we understand the risk factors of disease better, we can inform policy decisions because resources are limited. Second, we can provide an early warning to certain places that are undergoing global environmental change because our model shows how those changes affect outbreak risks," said Song Liang, senior author of the study and an assistant professor of environmental health sciences at Ohio State.

"We're not going to address all of the questions in one study, but we hope to set the stage for studies that can move toward that goal."

Most information on water-associated pathogens and infectious diseases in the Ohio State database came from the Global Infectious Disease and Epidemiology Network (GIDEON), a web-based database containing details on outbreaks for 337 recognized infectious diseases in 231 countries and regions. Liang and colleagues also collected extensive data from journal articles and health organization publications to supplement the GIDEON information.

Among the information included in the Ohio State database were disease-causing agents,
such as bacteria or viruses, and their biological characteristics; water's role in disease transmission; disease transmission routes; and details about whether the recorded outbreak represented an emergence or re-emergence of a water-associated disease for a given region. These details were crossed with a socio-environmental database that contained data on population density, global average accumulated temperature, surface area of water bodies, average annual rainfall and per-capita gross domestic product.

Each disease tracked in the database was classified into one of five categories:

"¢ï»¿ water-borne (such as typhoid and cholera), caused by microorganisms that enter water through fecal contamination and cause infection when humans consume contaminated water. A subset of these, called "water-carried" diseases, result from accidental ingestion of contaminated water in a recreational setting;

"¢ water-based (such as schistosomiasis), caused by parasites that spend part of their life in water;

"¢ water-related (such as malaria and trypanosomiasis), which need water for breeding of insects that act as vectors in transmitting disease to humans;

"¢ water-washed, caused by poor personal or domestic hygiene because no clean water is available; and

"¢ water-dispersed (such as Legionella), caused by infectious agents that thrive in water and enter the body through the respiratory tract.

Among the reported outbreaks, 70.9 percent were water-borne diseases, 2.9 percent water-based, 12.2 percent water-related, 6.8 percent water-washed, and 7.3 percent water-dispersed. Almost half were caused by bacteria, with nearly 40 percent caused by viruses and the rest by parasites.

The analysis also showed that fewer water-washed diseases occurred in places with larger bodies of surface water, and that areas with higher average annual rainfall had fewer outbreaks of water-borne and water-related diseases.

"No single factor can explain this distribution," Liang said. "And for different categories of diseases, the impact of those factors varies. This is the first time we've had large-scale proof of that."

"At this point, we've identified all of the reported outbreaks, but not every socio-environmental factor that influenced them."

The model predicts that Western Europe, Central Africa and Northern India are at higher risk for water-borne diseases, especially E. coli diarrhea, and that the risk in Europe is primarily driven by water-carried diseases that tend to occur in recreational areas. Western Europe, North Africa and Latin America tend to be at higher risk for water-washed diseases, particularly viral conjunctivitis. Risks associated with water-based diseases, especially schistosomiasis, were highest in east Brazil, Northwest and Central Africa and southeast of China.

Even with all of the data available, the researchers suggest that their database and map represent just a fraction of the actual outbreaks that have occurred because the under-reporting of these diseases is a common problem, especially in the developing world.

They also were surprised to find that economic status did not appear to influence risk for water-associated disease outbreaks, at least on a global scale. "When we look specifically at an area on a smaller scale, we might find something different," Liang said.

Liang and colleagues already have begun to take a closer look at two regions, Africa and Asia, to examine environmental and economic issues that are most likely to influence risks for water-associated infectious disease outbreaks on those continents.

This work is supported in part by the National Institutes of Health and by two Ohio State University programs: Public Health Preparedness for Infectious Diseases and Climate, Water and Carbon.

Co-authors, all from Ohio State, include first author Kun Yang and Bo Lu of the College of Public Health (Yang is now with the Jiangsu Institute of Parasitic Diseases in China); Jeffrey LeJeune of the Ohio Agricultural Research and Development Center and the College of Veterinary Medicine; and Doug Alsdorf and C.K. Shum of the School of Earth Sciences.

High population density is greatest risk factor for water-linked diseases | College of Public Health
 

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China's one-child policy means many benefits for parents

Li Tianhao has just given birth to a baby boy blessed with his mother's nose, his father's mouth and an impressive ability to sleep through even the loudest disturbance.

It is a skill the newborn will be fortunate to maintain as he has been born in Henan, the most crowded province in the world's most populous nation as the human family edged closer to the 7 billion mark.

Yet he will probably grow up alone. Although Henan last year became the first province in China to register its 100 millionth resident – giving it a population bigger than any country in Europe – it also claims some of the greatest successes in taming demographic growth through its family planning policies.

This has not happened by accident. Henan is one of the most environmentally stressed areas of China with a quarter of the water and a fifth of the land per capita compared to the already low national average.

Senior family planners say this justifies rigid restrictions. "The large number of people has put very big pressure on all resources, especially water," said Liu Shaojie vice director of the Population Commission in Henan. "Over 30 years of effort, we have put in place a systematic procedure for controlling the population. That has eased the impact on the environment. We are doing glorious work."

Many environmentalists agree that population control is essential if humanity is to move on to a more sustainable track, but how can this be done? China has gone further than any nation in trying to answer this question over the past 30 years. But both the means and the ends remain the subject of fierce controversy.

When the one-child policy started in the 1970s, Liu says, women in Henan gave birth to an average of 5.8 children in their lifetimes. Their counterparts today have less than 1.7. The change, he said, means 30 million fewer births – equivalent to preventing one every 30 seconds for three decades. And that is just in Henan. Across all of China, the government claims there would be more than 300 million more children without the family planning policy.

This policy was initiated primarily for economic and education reasons, but it is increasingly cited as an environmental blessing. According to Liu, the population controls have kept sulphur dioxide emissions down by 17.6% and the main source of water pollution by 30.8%. Without it, he says, the average person in Henan would have a third less land and a quarter less forest. It has also, he claims, prevented between 137m and 200m tonnes of carbon dioxide from entering the atmosphere.

Such extrapolations are questionable. The current measures were not put in place to save the global environment, but to redress one of the biggest errors made by Mao Zedong. The founder of the People's Republic was advised in the 1950s that China's population was growing dangerously fast, but he urged women to have more babies because, as he put it, they were like aircraft carriers launching fighter planes. Today, Chinese officials and scholars privately describe this as Mao's greatest mistake. If he had put in place a two-child policy in the fifties, today's one-child policy would not be necessary.

The description of the system as a "one-child policy" is misleading. Most married women in China have the chance to bear two offspring, but the entitlement to breed beyond a solitary child is determined by a complex set of rules that vary from province to province and are often applied differently from village to village.

Broadly speaking, urban couples are allowed one child, rural families can try for a second if the first is a girl and women from ethnic minorities are permitted to give birth two or three times in their lifetime. But there are close to a dozen exceptions, including if a baby has disabilities or if the mother and father are both single children. Communist cadres and government officials can be fired for procreational transgressions because they are supposed to set an example. By contrast, Tibetans have the fewest restrictions.

Money is another key factor. The rich in Shanghai and Beijing can easily afford the penalties for a second or third child. The poor in Gansu and Yunnan, by contrast are at risk of having their meagre property confiscated if they fail to remain within birthing quotas.

For family planners like Liu, these injustices and disturbances are seen not as failures, but as aberrations that call for policy tweaks. Countless adjustments over the past 30 years have created a mind-bogglingly complex system that touches on everything from contraception and sterilisation to pensions and tax incentives. In Henan alone, Liu says the family planning policy employs 17,000 administrators and 22,000 nursing and technical staff. In addition, support organisations claim a combined membership of 9,600,000 volunteers, who engage in work as diverse as spreading propaganda to monitoring menstruation cycles- something that is still common in villages though rare in cities.

The state has gone to remarkable lengths to try to fill the gaps left by the missing children. Rule-abiding parents can get a monthly stipend, extra pension benefits when they are older, preferential hospital treatment, first choice for government jobs, extra land allowances and, in some case, free homes and a tonne of free water a month. Their children are even given bonus points in middle school entrance exams.

The system is incredibly expensive. The provincial government sets aside 40 yuan per person for the policy, which adds up to 4bn yuan (£400m) or about four percent of its budget, but this is just a small fraction of the total amount paid by central and village authorities.

Enforcement requires a huge and powerful bureaucracy. "Henan has much to teach the world in family planning, but it is a hard lesson to learn. Officials from Africa and India come to study what we are doing in China, but I'm not sure that they can apply it the same way," said Liu. "That's because they don't have a Communist party so it is difficult for them to take such strong steps."

In theory, the only penalties are hefty fines - in Henan's case, three times the annual net income of the couple who have violated the rules. But the system still relies on a high degree of intrusiveness and communal pressure to achieve targets.

Others argue that the impact of family planning is overblown and simply accelerated what would have happened anyway as a result of improvements in infant mortality, greater participation by women in the workforce and greater availability of contraception.

As China becomes richer and better educated, women in rich cities like Shanghai and Beijing are opting for few children just like their counterparts in wealthy nations. And with the nation's population is forecast to peak around 2030 many say the family planning policy had outlived its usefulness.

"Everybody agrees change is necessary. But the debate is about how to start and when", said Zheng Zhenzhen, a population specialist at the Chinese Academy of Social Science.

"We debate the relationship between the size of the population and resource consumption. But it is not a fixed formula. It depends on how you utilise your resource. We waste and pollute. I think those problems – behaviour – are more important than the size of the population."

In Henan, however, the message that you can consume more if you breed less appears to be more persuasive than threats and penalties.

At the Hui hospital, the new father Li Yongli says he would rather have a first car than a second child. The shift towards fewer legs and more wheels in his family is part of a carefully worked out plan. The final goal is to ensure a better life and education for his son, who was of course, born exactly to schedule.

"It's all part of the program," said the beaming father.

"¢ Additional reporting by Cecily Huang

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400 million births prevented by one-child policy
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The global population will hit 7 billion at the end of this October, according to the 2011 State of World Population Report issued by the U.N. Population Fund on Oct. 26.

As the "Day of 7 Billion" is drawing near, reporters have learned from the National Population and Family Planning Commission that the global population grows by about 80 million people every year. Since China introduced the family planning policy over 30 years ago, the policy has prevented 400 million births, and delayed the "Day of 7 Billion" for five years.

The proportion of China's population to the world's total has dropped from 22 percent in the early stages of reform to 19 percent in 2010. Without the family planning policy, the country's population would have already exceeded 1.7 billion.


China facing five major population problems

The first problem is the steady growth of its population. The country's population is expected to reach nearly 1.5 billion by 2020.

Second, the overall quality of population is relatively low. China's labor productivity is not only much lower than that of developed countries but also lower than some emerging economies.

Third, the issues in the population structure are outstanding. The overall sex ratio at birth is still relatively high. The aging of population is accelerating.

Fourth, China's population is becoming increasingly mobile. The next 20 to 30 years will be a period when China's urbanization is fully accelerating and China's population mobility is at the largest scale and in the most active period. There will be about 300 million people moving from villages to towns and cities in China during that period.

Fifth, the traditional function of the family is weakening. The size of families continues to shrink and the families composed only of elderly people and single-child families are accounting for larger proportions.


Stick to the birth-control policy

China will still regard the birth-control policy as a fundamental state policy and adhere to it for a long period.China will try hard to guarantee the consistency and stability of the birth-control policy and maintain its total fertility rate at around 1.8 :tup:

400 million births prevented by one-child policy - People's Daily Online
 

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One Child Norm in India: Is it Possible?

Rising population has been much of a concern for our nation in past few decades. To counter the drastic increase we have till now resorted to steps like providing free Family Health Planning facilities for married couples (you know the common ones I am talking about) and launching less-given-heed-to campaigns of Hum Do Hamare Do which lately has become Hum do Hamara Ek, thinking that the country which is having the largest illiterate population in the world would give heed to such campaigns. The situation demands stricter government interference to combat the exploding population.

A One Child Norm, similar to what Chinese have done, is one of the possible solutions at hand. Implementing such a policy in a country like ours is not so easy. With likely protests from political parties, ethnic groups, religious bodies and other idle social organizations getting yet another issue to raise their voices against, implementing this would not be an easy task.

Let's go deep into the problem of rising population and the 'One Child Norm' solution.


Why is One Child Norm (OCN) important?

â–  â– Bursting population of our nation. Increasing poverty, unemployment, social, economic, and environmental problems day by day.

â– With a definite check on population growth, such a norm will help us in providing quality health care facilities and increasing our literacy rate as population has a cascading effect on these issues.

â– Limited availability of resources. 40% of the people live below poverty line and cannot easily afford meal two times a day.

â– Such a norm may promote adoption of orphans thereby reducing number of orphans in India which currently tops the list.

â– Indian Medical Association (IMA) has been reiterating its suggestion to implement OCN based on their survey.


Associated Hurdles and Drawbacks of Norm

â–  â– ONC or TCN? Should it be a One Child Norm or Two Child Norm? If we go for two child norm, should there be a birth spacing as it is there in Chinese one child norm policy? (In China, a second child is allowed with 3-4 years spacing between the birth of two children but only if the first child is a female)

â– Rural and Urban Factor: If implemented, should it be both in rural and urban areas or either of them? India has around 70% of rural population and rest urban or semi-urban. China too has majority of rural population but it has implemented policy only for families living in urban areas.

â– Increased Abortions: This norm may lead to increase in female foeticide (few
states already have sex ratio below 900 females/1000 males).

â– Political hurdles: Unanimous decision on this issue is tough to be made amongst the parties and the bill implementing this norm may not be passed easily.

â– Effect on population and economic growth: Considering the fact that India is a labour intensive nation, known for cheap labour, such a restriction in the long run may result in a shortage of labour and can affect economic growth of nation.

â– Improved Family Health Planning: To practically bring such a norm into existence, more awareness for contraceptives would need to be created when India is already struggling to do it.

â– Controversial nature of policy: The government may have to come up with separate norms for minorities who are more likely to protest such a norm.

â– Fine and depriving individuals of other Govt. benefits: The fine to be imposed on breaking such a norm is again a big issue. Where per capita income of Indians is approximately Rs 48000, the fine for bringing a new life into existence is tough to decide. It can be similar to our tax slab depending on the financial condition of an individual.

â– Sudden Decline in Population: India already has a declining population growth rate since 1980s (1.34% in 2008[1]) and also a lower life expectancy (around 69 years [avg. of male and female]). Given this fact, our Health Ministry through Population Foundation of India will need to justify that OCN will be a success and it will not lead to sudden decrease in population in coming years.

â– The danger of extinction of family name in case of premature deaths of the only child in families following OCN.

â– Other Complications: Policy for NRIs would be an issue.


Solution to the problem

â–  â– A National Survey amongst all adults is required to be done in a transparent manner since it concerns all citizens and would help in a consensus on this issue.

â– Initially a one child norm to bring a sooner decrease and when population is stabilised we can switch to two child norm.

â– Policy to be revised (if required) in each Five Year Plan and should not be a permanent one. If we face any adverse problems it can be withdrawn, but giving it a start is very important and a need of the hour.

â– Implement it only in urban areas for first few five year plans and judge its demographic effect.

â– Relaxation in the norm (as in China): If there are no siblings of a married couple then the couple can have two children.

To conclude, we can say that One Child Norm seems to be a necessity but its implementation in India requires careful juxtaposition of facts and figures in hand.

Family planning- One Child Norm in India: Is it Possible?
 

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try going the other way - try restricting the pop growth and then end up as countries like france, belgium, britain ,new zealand , even australia , the list goes on and on, singapore ( where the very EXISTENCE of the "country" is now at stake ) - countries which implemented the "west's" ideas about Malthusian population controls via "family planning "where they are now frantically inviting foreigners in and experimenting with one crazy thing after another to ATTEMPT to increase their pop

- it's never gonna be perfect , we will ALWAYS be on one side or the other of perfection and i think india was correct in ignoring the "west's" calls for "family Planning" in the 1960s - it is far , far better to err on the side of overpopulation than the other way

it's not an easy solution , but it is far and away the better of the only two options that are available to us

a perfect population size is NOT a policy option - it might be achieved but never SUSTAINED !

the depleted west in trying to get us to join them in their grave error

India's response should be ....;-

NO THANKS ! :namaste:
 
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