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I can see Al-Khalids, Al-Zarars & the lower one seems like a T-80UD
Cold Start: A Pakistani perspective
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How about we discuss the circumstances in which India will use its Cold start.
I could think of:-
1. A Terrorist attack ( what kind of? Worse than Mumbai?)( what if Pakistan promise to take action against terrorist?)
2. Military coup in Pakistan and then attacks on India
lol: I think chances are really dim, but who knows)
3. Nukes getting in wrong hands (ofcourse Pakistan's nukes)
Any other?
I could think of:-
1. A Terrorist attack ( what kind of? Worse than Mumbai?)( what if Pakistan promise to take action against terrorist?)
2. Military coup in Pakistan and then attacks on India
lol: I think chances are really dim, but who knows)3. Nukes getting in wrong hands (ofcourse Pakistan's nukes
)Any other?
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Points two and three are not the reasons when india attacks.
point two means an all out war itself, if the pakistanis attack. Point three, if the nukes fall in wrong hands, what will cold start achieve? Those nukes are lost.
point two means an all out war itself, if the pakistanis attack. Point three, if the nukes fall in wrong hands, what will cold start achieve? Those nukes are lost.
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http://idrw.org/?p=1370
Chinese copy of BM-30 Smerch (A-100 )MLRS spotted in Pakistan's recently held exercise.
Chinese copy of Russian BM-30 "Smerch" (Tornado) or 9A52 Multiple rocket launcher known has PHL03 or A-100 10-tube 300mm MLRS has been spotted in recently held Azm-e-Nau-3 exercise.
It was long rumored that Pakistan had purchased them from china after India had ordered 62 Russian BM-30 "Smerch" systems which have been inducted into Indian Army from 2007 onwards .
India army has also purchased locally build Pinaka is a multiple rocket launcher with range upto 40km and DRDO is also working on Pinaka 2 which will have similar range of 80 to 90 kilometers .
Chinese copy of BM-30 Smerch (A-100 )MLRS spotted in Pakistan's recently held exercise.
Chinese copy of Russian BM-30 "Smerch" (Tornado) or 9A52 Multiple rocket launcher known has PHL03 or A-100 10-tube 300mm MLRS has been spotted in recently held Azm-e-Nau-3 exercise.
It was long rumored that Pakistan had purchased them from china after India had ordered 62 Russian BM-30 "Smerch" systems which have been inducted into Indian Army from 2007 onwards .
India army has also purchased locally build Pinaka is a multiple rocket launcher with range upto 40km and DRDO is also working on Pinaka 2 which will have similar range of 80 to 90 kilometers .
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Ok...agree....And what about the first option? What purpose Cold start will serve in case of a Terrorist attack? Will it ensure that in future there will be no terrorist attack? It will be like an endless loop.....isn't it?
Someone just asked few pages back in this topic that why this kind of strategy is openly discussed....and I was thinking that this could be the one objective of Cold Start... that Not only to 'win' the war but to 'avoid' it at first place.
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Well, this is a potent system, everything aside. Its never been acknowledged Pakistan had this system, so something of a wildcard. Does this mean Pakistan has more Chinese copies up its sleeves? HQ9 anyone? Anything else spotted during the exercises?http://idrw.org/?p=1370
Chinese copy of BM-30 Smerch (A-100 )MLRS spotted in Pakistan's recently held exercise.
Chinese copy of Russian BM-30 "Smerch" (Tornado) or 9A52 Multiple rocket launcher known has PHL03 or A-100 10-tube 300mm MLRS has been spotted in recently held Azm-e-Nau-3 exercise.
It was long rumored that Pakistan had purchased them from china after India had ordered 62 Russian BM-30 "Smerch" systems which have been inducted into Indian Army from 2007 onwards .
India army has also purchased locally build Pinaka is a multiple rocket launcher with range upto 40km and DRDO is also working on Pinaka 2 which will have similar range of 80 to 90 kilometers .
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I remember reading this article long time back when there were Rumors about A-100 & HQ-9, this article was talking about A-100s & HQ-9s & it seems HQ-9 is some where out there
we got Chinese made YLC-2 Radars long time back, the same Radar which is part of mobile HQ-9 Batteries & after confirmation of A-100 I am sure we have it
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China-Made Radars Being Delivered To Pakistan
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hmmm, this article states, the HQ9 is being procured for defence against Brahmos. Well I am not sure, HQ9 is the choice for that. The USN has a system for defence against possible "supersonic" anti shipping missiles, but the HQ9 against the Brahmos? Maybe someone can shed some light.
Good thing such info has come out, the World Wide Web can now thunder with Claims and Counterclaims On a lighter note, some might claim Pakistan already has a squadron of JXXX
Good thing such info has come out, the World Wide Web can now thunder with Claims and Counterclaims
On a lighter note, some might claim Pakistan already has a squadron of JXXX 
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HQ-9 is a poorly reversed engineered, depending what version it is, is better suited against Ballistic missiles and not really cruise missiles so there is some misinformation there. The Chinese bought more S-300's rather than using their own HQ-9's if they are completed? Proof Chinese have no faith in the system. This is another example to Pakistan being used as guinea pigs by China. UAV's Harop/Harpy would take this out early in any conflict and Brahmos performs S manuevers which are uninterceptable.
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na ji, HQ-9 can no way intercept Bhramos, HQ-9s will be used for defense of vital installations but i know that its a has limited ABM capability
I don't know about J-XX but people used to make fun when we talked about A-100 & HQ-9s with Pakistani ForcesGood thing such info has come out, the World Wide Web can now thunder with Claims and Counterclaims
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Those are Al-Khalid MBTs of Pakistan Army.
In 1989 Pakistan Army conducted the largest exercise of its history. The need for Zerb e Momin was felt due to threats emerging from India and response to Sunjerji Doctrine which brought Pakistan India near to war in 1986-87. This exercise not only validated Pakistan Army's new Doctrine but also gave a clear signal to India that any Indian aggression will be dealt with swift and brutal response.
General Krishna Swami Sunjerji can rightly be called as one of the best minds Indian army ever had. He belonged to Mahar regiment of Indian army. In addition to his military skills he was also known for his intellect. Sunjerji realized the importance of RMA (Revolution in Military Affairs) and impact of it on modern day battle field. Sunjerji was provided with opportunity to study RMA and to be part of a small team for reorganizing the Indian army, especially with regard to technology by Gen. KV Krishna Rao. Sunjerji was very impressed by German Blitzkrieg doctrine. He loved mechanized and armor movements and maneuvers due to their speed and ferocity. Basing on this he gave Indian army its new doctrine also known as sunderji's doctrine.
Sunjerji doctrine called for a set of Holding Corps situated close to the borders to hold off against an advancing enemy and a set of strike corps that would mobilize to deliver massive conventional retaliation. Which according to him would lead to the complete neutralization of the enemy?
In November 1986 Indian Army launched its biggest exercises in Rajistan Desert very close to Pakistani border. At one point Indian troops deployed along Pakistani border reached 4 hundred thousand. This level of Armor and Mechanized Forces near Pakistani border made Pakistan Alert. The statements coming out from India enforced Pakistan's threat perceptions and in response Pakistan was forced to mobilize its forces. It was expected that India was planning to cut Pakistani into two cutting Sind from Punjab. To counter this Indian move Pakistani Forces were deployed and concentrated along Punjab border and Working boundary where traditionally India is week(At present India has Raised a New Army command to defend its vulnerabilities at Chicken Neck/ Working Boundary Area). It was soon realized by Adventurous Sunjerji that his moves were effectively checked mated by Pakistanies and there was a huge chance that his adventure will change into nuclear exchange (Pakistan Coal tested its Nuclear device in 1984 and got capability to deliver it in next 2 years) . International Community especially US, who was engaged in Afghan Jihad against soviets Pressurized India and At Last Tensions defused.
After the de-escalations need for new Pakistani counter doctrine was realized. New concepts to counter Indian Army were developed and were tested in Pakistan's biggest military exercise in its short history code named Zerb e Momin. Almost three corps, two armored brigades, two artillery divisions, one air defense division and the Pakistan Air Force took part in this exercise. 14 new concepts were tested; many vital lessons were learnt.
It was during the exercise Zarb-e-Momin-89 that the Air-Land warfare concept was tried out for the first time on a very large scale. Plans were integrated at both the headquarters and field formations level. The Northern Air Command (NAC) and corresponding Corps (8B and 18B) interacted in order to understand each other's requirements at the strategic and tactical levels before finalizing the air support plans.
After the conclusion of Zerb e Momin Pakistan army and Air force came out as more confident and integrated forces. In 1990 a New Intifada begun in Kashmir and this time it was more bloody and intense then any intifada of the past. Pakistan and India once again came near to war but this time again deterrence and Pakistan Army preparedness played its part and tensions defused.
India blame Pakistan for its troubles in Kashmir which is funny in a way that if Kashmiri Population is happy with conduct of Indian state then how come it is giving the Insurgents freedom and support to fight Indian state forces. In fact Indian Union from the beginning discriminated with Muslim majority Kashmiries which resulted in not one but many Intifadas for independence from Indian rule. Any student of History can realize that troubles in Kashmir are result of Indian acts in occupied Valley. Shopian Murder case is just a very small example to understand why Kashmiri hate India and why India has to put more than seven hundred thousand troops in a small valley (Remember Pakistan army is near 6 hundred thousands).
In 1998 India detonated 5 nuclear devices and immediately tone from Delhi visibly changed. Indian Politicians and Military commanders started giving open threats to teach Pakistan a lesson. LoC in Kashmir became hot due to Indian bombardments and un-provoked firing. The tone of Indians gave impression that if Pakistan does not reply in same tone India will attack (Anybody can See the Indian News Papers of 1998 and confirm what I have said).
Pakistan conducted its nuclear tests in response to those of Indians in May 1998 and became overt Nuclear Power. Pakistani Scientists worked day and night and brought credibility to Pakistan's deterrence by building Ghori, Shaheen and Tipu missiles. Pakistan soon reached 2nd strike capability hall mark when Pakistani Navel chief Nouman Bashir revealed that Pakistan has developed SLM which are capable to take nuclear war heads.
In 1999 reports in Indian media started coming about Pakistani offensives in Northern Kashmir when there were no such hostilities. Pakistani military Leadership perceived it as softening of Public opinion and start of battle procedure by Indian army for aggression against Pakistan in Kashmir. A year back in 1998 Indians foolishly under Intoxication of Power had loudly boasted their Intensions and there was enough evidence which enforced Pakistani Threat Perception about Indian intensions in Kashmir. To preempt any Indian aggression an old plan chalked out in early 80's to counter Indian aggression in Siachen was given life. Some of the elite forces and those of Northern Light Infantry were infiltrated across LoC at Kargil and Drass Secter which in Indian army every year leave due to extreme cold.
In summer when Indians came back to re occupy they were well come by Pakistani troops waiting for their hunt( Kargil was Part of Pakistani Azad Kashmir prior to 1965 war , it was only Secter in Kashmir where Indians made gains in 1965 war). Kargil Operation was a complete Strategic Surprise for India. Pakistani Forces were controlling Srinager - Leh Road with direct fire making Leh corps very vulnerable. If Pakistani Political leadership had shown some strength whole Corps could have thrown weapons and would have become POW.
After the initial surprise India launched massive propaganda offensive along with Military offensive (on Kargil Dras Secters). It used state of the art weaponry to get back the positions taken by hand full Pakistani troops but when its might failed India started threatening all out war. The world which was under shock due to overt nuclearization became scared of the possibility of nuclear war in South Asia (Pakistan did in 1999 what Indians did in early 80's in Siachen but world failed to Take notice). Under International Pressure Pakistani Political leadership gave in and unilaterally ordered its troops to with draw. During whole operation Pakistani losses were very low but during Unilateral cease fire Indians inflicted maximum damage.
Kargil was success or a failure it depends on which side you stand. I believe it was success as it revealed the vulnerabilities of India forces and level of professionalism. It was a strategic surprise. At operational level it was failure of both Indian intelligence and military. At Tactical level as Pakistani troops were on heights and in defensive positions they were able to inflict heavy casualties to attacking Indians hence demoralizing the whole Indian army. The proof can be seen in Operation Porakaram where Indian forces failed in every field and 1800 Indian soldier died in maneuvers without firing a single shot.
In 2002-3 Pakistan and India again came face to face when Terrorists attacked Kashmiri and Indian Lok Saba. Matters got so serious that within weeks thousands of Indian as well as Pakistani troops were deployed on the border eye ball to eye ball. This operation of Indian deployment was called operation Porakaram.
This exercise or military tensions revealed draw backs of Indian war doctrine and Indian army which was working on revision of Sunderji Doctrine came out with new concept of war based on Latest method of warfare popularly known as Information or Network Based concept of warfare.
This new war doctrine was revealed in army commander's conference in April 2004. As discussed earlier this new doctrine is based on Network centric concept of warfare in order to understand what Cold Start means we have to understand what network centric warfare is. In words of Wikipedia
Network-centric warfare, now commonly called network-centric operations, is a new military doctrine or theory of war pioneered by the United States Department of Defense.
It seeks to translate an information advantage, enabled in part by information technology, into a competitive warfighting advantage through the robust networking of well informed geographically dispersed forces.[1] This networking, combined with changes in technology, organization, processes, and people - may allow new forms of organizational behavior.
Specifically, the theory contains the following four tenets in its hypotheses:[2]
A robustly networked force improves information sharing;
Information sharing enhances the quality of information and shared situational awareness;
Shared situational awareness enables collaboration and self-synchronization, and enhances sustainability and speed of command; and
These, in turn, dramatically increase mission effectiveness.
According to Kapalia's Article on South Asia Analysis web site popularly known as think tank in which ex Indian intelligence officials work and represents Indian Intelligence mind set. Cold Start is copy of US strategy of invasion in Iraq. It is based on Shock and awe doctrine made possible by Information /Network enabled capabilities. Kapalia reveals that the doctrine is Pakistan centric and is offensive oriented. Its focus is on destroying Pakistani capabilities in Lightening action with close coordination of Air, Land and Navel forces not holding territory. The doctrine also predicts that future war will be of short duration and in days results will be achieved. For further information on cold start read my essay
From Cold Start to AZM-e- NOU III and
کولڈ سٹارٹ سے عزم نو تھری تک
Since 2003 Pakistan army is engaged in counter terrorism on its western borders. In 2008 again after Mombi terror attacks India and Pakistan came near to war. Although Pakistani government condemned the attacks and offered India help but Indian leadership as usual showed conceit and no talking attitude. Pakistan is victim of terrorism itself and government and people acknowledge that it was blunder committed by them when they joined Afghan jihad against soviets and after soviet with drawl their support to extremists was also a blunder. Pakistan is reaping fruits of its blunders and has lost thousands of its sons in war against extremists. No one has sacrificed more than Pakistan in this war on terrorism. This is what India has to realize.
Because Pakistan is anti thesis of Bharat Versha or Maha Baharat that's why anyone can see only hate in Indian press , media and common man against Pakistan. That's also why whenever India has chance it do everything to hurt Pakistan and Pakistanies.
After the announcement of cold start India Army conducted many exercises at army level to validate new concept and use of modern high fi gadgetry and weapons.
Pakistani forces engaged in counter terrorism in western border had to take notice of Indian threats especially those by high level Indian generals. With limit resources and big reservoir of motivation and commitment Pakistani strategists devised counter strategy to Cold Start. This new concept to counter Cold Start doctrine was tested in two war games Azm e Nou 1 and II the deductions are now tested practically in Azm e Nou III exercise whose first Phase ended few days ago.
Pakistani troops were divided in two opposing forces namely Fox Land (Enemy) and Blue Land Army. Air force is also participating in these exercises giving close support to both armies.
Attack on blue land started with Massive air strike by Fox land Air force followed by Blitzkrieg attack of Fox land forces. Blue land not only absorbed the impact of Fox land Assault but also displayed well coordinated and professionally executing dispersion techniques.
After absorbing and halting the fox land assault Blue land forces conducted a counter offensive inflicting heavy damage to invading enemy forces.
During Azm e Nou III phase one impressive display of all arms fire was also arranged in Cholistan desert which was witnessed by Prime Minister, Army chief along with Officials of friendly states. According to ISPR press release on 15 April Pakistan Army has become Network enabled force. This means Pakistan army has also adopted Network centric warfare method of war fare and has become capable of conducting operations according to the concept.
Interesting thing about this exercise is that unlike Zerb e Momin exercise, in this exercise Forces executed counter offensive instead of Counter attacks meaning that there is shift in Pakistani concepts of war. Secondly in this exercise Pakistani forces displayed their capability to shoot down drones.
Summing up Pakistan is a small country as compare to India. Although Pakistan wants peace with India and cooperation against terrorism but India has proven itself a bully any neutral person can see that since 1947 how India created problems for Pakistan. Instead of acting like a big brother it acted like a bully to many times smaller Pakistan. Presently from TTP to unrest in Balochistan there is clear evidence of Indian involvement. India is so much anti Pakistan that it even un diplomatically declared their Cold Start Strategy specifically against Pakistan.
Every free nation has right of self defense. Pakistan may be small but has displayed its capability and resolve not to bow in front of India.
Azm e Nou III is demonstration of same resolve that although we have less weapons and gadgetry as compare to India but nation and its forces have resolve and commitment to counter any Indian aggression weather its cold start or hot start or what ever. Pakistani commitment to war on terror does not mean that we are off guard on our eastern border.
http://www.groundreport.com/Business...ctrine/2922230
General Krishna Swami Sunjerji can rightly be called as one of the best minds Indian army ever had. He belonged to Mahar regiment of Indian army. In addition to his military skills he was also known for his intellect. Sunjerji realized the importance of RMA (Revolution in Military Affairs) and impact of it on modern day battle field. Sunjerji was provided with opportunity to study RMA and to be part of a small team for reorganizing the Indian army, especially with regard to technology by Gen. KV Krishna Rao. Sunjerji was very impressed by German Blitzkrieg doctrine. He loved mechanized and armor movements and maneuvers due to their speed and ferocity. Basing on this he gave Indian army its new doctrine also known as sunderji's doctrine.
Sunjerji doctrine called for a set of Holding Corps situated close to the borders to hold off against an advancing enemy and a set of strike corps that would mobilize to deliver massive conventional retaliation. Which according to him would lead to the complete neutralization of the enemy?
In November 1986 Indian Army launched its biggest exercises in Rajistan Desert very close to Pakistani border. At one point Indian troops deployed along Pakistani border reached 4 hundred thousand. This level of Armor and Mechanized Forces near Pakistani border made Pakistan Alert. The statements coming out from India enforced Pakistan's threat perceptions and in response Pakistan was forced to mobilize its forces. It was expected that India was planning to cut Pakistani into two cutting Sind from Punjab. To counter this Indian move Pakistani Forces were deployed and concentrated along Punjab border and Working boundary where traditionally India is week(At present India has Raised a New Army command to defend its vulnerabilities at Chicken Neck/ Working Boundary Area). It was soon realized by Adventurous Sunjerji that his moves were effectively checked mated by Pakistanies and there was a huge chance that his adventure will change into nuclear exchange (Pakistan Coal tested its Nuclear device in 1984 and got capability to deliver it in next 2 years) . International Community especially US, who was engaged in Afghan Jihad against soviets Pressurized India and At Last Tensions defused.
After the de-escalations need for new Pakistani counter doctrine was realized. New concepts to counter Indian Army were developed and were tested in Pakistan's biggest military exercise in its short history code named Zerb e Momin. Almost three corps, two armored brigades, two artillery divisions, one air defense division and the Pakistan Air Force took part in this exercise. 14 new concepts were tested; many vital lessons were learnt.
It was during the exercise Zarb-e-Momin-89 that the Air-Land warfare concept was tried out for the first time on a very large scale. Plans were integrated at both the headquarters and field formations level. The Northern Air Command (NAC) and corresponding Corps (8B and 18B) interacted in order to understand each other's requirements at the strategic and tactical levels before finalizing the air support plans.
After the conclusion of Zerb e Momin Pakistan army and Air force came out as more confident and integrated forces. In 1990 a New Intifada begun in Kashmir and this time it was more bloody and intense then any intifada of the past. Pakistan and India once again came near to war but this time again deterrence and Pakistan Army preparedness played its part and tensions defused.
India blame Pakistan for its troubles in Kashmir which is funny in a way that if Kashmiri Population is happy with conduct of Indian state then how come it is giving the Insurgents freedom and support to fight Indian state forces. In fact Indian Union from the beginning discriminated with Muslim majority Kashmiries which resulted in not one but many Intifadas for independence from Indian rule. Any student of History can realize that troubles in Kashmir are result of Indian acts in occupied Valley. Shopian Murder case is just a very small example to understand why Kashmiri hate India and why India has to put more than seven hundred thousand troops in a small valley (Remember Pakistan army is near 6 hundred thousands).
In 1998 India detonated 5 nuclear devices and immediately tone from Delhi visibly changed. Indian Politicians and Military commanders started giving open threats to teach Pakistan a lesson. LoC in Kashmir became hot due to Indian bombardments and un-provoked firing. The tone of Indians gave impression that if Pakistan does not reply in same tone India will attack (Anybody can See the Indian News Papers of 1998 and confirm what I have said).
Pakistan conducted its nuclear tests in response to those of Indians in May 1998 and became overt Nuclear Power. Pakistani Scientists worked day and night and brought credibility to Pakistan's deterrence by building Ghori, Shaheen and Tipu missiles. Pakistan soon reached 2nd strike capability hall mark when Pakistani Navel chief Nouman Bashir revealed that Pakistan has developed SLM which are capable to take nuclear war heads.
In 1999 reports in Indian media started coming about Pakistani offensives in Northern Kashmir when there were no such hostilities. Pakistani military Leadership perceived it as softening of Public opinion and start of battle procedure by Indian army for aggression against Pakistan in Kashmir. A year back in 1998 Indians foolishly under Intoxication of Power had loudly boasted their Intensions and there was enough evidence which enforced Pakistani Threat Perception about Indian intensions in Kashmir. To preempt any Indian aggression an old plan chalked out in early 80's to counter Indian aggression in Siachen was given life. Some of the elite forces and those of Northern Light Infantry were infiltrated across LoC at Kargil and Drass Secter which in Indian army every year leave due to extreme cold.
In summer when Indians came back to re occupy they were well come by Pakistani troops waiting for their hunt( Kargil was Part of Pakistani Azad Kashmir prior to 1965 war , it was only Secter in Kashmir where Indians made gains in 1965 war). Kargil Operation was a complete Strategic Surprise for India. Pakistani Forces were controlling Srinager - Leh Road with direct fire making Leh corps very vulnerable. If Pakistani Political leadership had shown some strength whole Corps could have thrown weapons and would have become POW.
After the initial surprise India launched massive propaganda offensive along with Military offensive (on Kargil Dras Secters). It used state of the art weaponry to get back the positions taken by hand full Pakistani troops but when its might failed India started threatening all out war. The world which was under shock due to overt nuclearization became scared of the possibility of nuclear war in South Asia (Pakistan did in 1999 what Indians did in early 80's in Siachen but world failed to Take notice). Under International Pressure Pakistani Political leadership gave in and unilaterally ordered its troops to with draw. During whole operation Pakistani losses were very low but during Unilateral cease fire Indians inflicted maximum damage.
Kargil was success or a failure it depends on which side you stand. I believe it was success as it revealed the vulnerabilities of India forces and level of professionalism. It was a strategic surprise. At operational level it was failure of both Indian intelligence and military. At Tactical level as Pakistani troops were on heights and in defensive positions they were able to inflict heavy casualties to attacking Indians hence demoralizing the whole Indian army. The proof can be seen in Operation Porakaram where Indian forces failed in every field and 1800 Indian soldier died in maneuvers without firing a single shot.
In 2002-3 Pakistan and India again came face to face when Terrorists attacked Kashmiri and Indian Lok Saba. Matters got so serious that within weeks thousands of Indian as well as Pakistani troops were deployed on the border eye ball to eye ball. This operation of Indian deployment was called operation Porakaram.
This exercise or military tensions revealed draw backs of Indian war doctrine and Indian army which was working on revision of Sunderji Doctrine came out with new concept of war based on Latest method of warfare popularly known as Information or Network Based concept of warfare.
This new war doctrine was revealed in army commander's conference in April 2004. As discussed earlier this new doctrine is based on Network centric concept of warfare in order to understand what Cold Start means we have to understand what network centric warfare is. In words of Wikipedia
Network-centric warfare, now commonly called network-centric operations, is a new military doctrine or theory of war pioneered by the United States Department of Defense.
It seeks to translate an information advantage, enabled in part by information technology, into a competitive warfighting advantage through the robust networking of well informed geographically dispersed forces.[1] This networking, combined with changes in technology, organization, processes, and people - may allow new forms of organizational behavior.
Specifically, the theory contains the following four tenets in its hypotheses:[2]
A robustly networked force improves information sharing;
Information sharing enhances the quality of information and shared situational awareness;
Shared situational awareness enables collaboration and self-synchronization, and enhances sustainability and speed of command; and
These, in turn, dramatically increase mission effectiveness.
According to Kapalia's Article on South Asia Analysis web site popularly known as think tank in which ex Indian intelligence officials work and represents Indian Intelligence mind set. Cold Start is copy of US strategy of invasion in Iraq. It is based on Shock and awe doctrine made possible by Information /Network enabled capabilities. Kapalia reveals that the doctrine is Pakistan centric and is offensive oriented. Its focus is on destroying Pakistani capabilities in Lightening action with close coordination of Air, Land and Navel forces not holding territory. The doctrine also predicts that future war will be of short duration and in days results will be achieved. For further information on cold start read my essay
From Cold Start to AZM-e- NOU III and
کولڈ سٹارٹ سے عزم نو تھری تک
Since 2003 Pakistan army is engaged in counter terrorism on its western borders. In 2008 again after Mombi terror attacks India and Pakistan came near to war. Although Pakistani government condemned the attacks and offered India help but Indian leadership as usual showed conceit and no talking attitude. Pakistan is victim of terrorism itself and government and people acknowledge that it was blunder committed by them when they joined Afghan jihad against soviets and after soviet with drawl their support to extremists was also a blunder. Pakistan is reaping fruits of its blunders and has lost thousands of its sons in war against extremists. No one has sacrificed more than Pakistan in this war on terrorism. This is what India has to realize.
Because Pakistan is anti thesis of Bharat Versha or Maha Baharat that's why anyone can see only hate in Indian press , media and common man against Pakistan. That's also why whenever India has chance it do everything to hurt Pakistan and Pakistanies.
After the announcement of cold start India Army conducted many exercises at army level to validate new concept and use of modern high fi gadgetry and weapons.
Pakistani forces engaged in counter terrorism in western border had to take notice of Indian threats especially those by high level Indian generals. With limit resources and big reservoir of motivation and commitment Pakistani strategists devised counter strategy to Cold Start. This new concept to counter Cold Start doctrine was tested in two war games Azm e Nou 1 and II the deductions are now tested practically in Azm e Nou III exercise whose first Phase ended few days ago.
Pakistani troops were divided in two opposing forces namely Fox Land (Enemy) and Blue Land Army. Air force is also participating in these exercises giving close support to both armies.
Attack on blue land started with Massive air strike by Fox land Air force followed by Blitzkrieg attack of Fox land forces. Blue land not only absorbed the impact of Fox land Assault but also displayed well coordinated and professionally executing dispersion techniques.
After absorbing and halting the fox land assault Blue land forces conducted a counter offensive inflicting heavy damage to invading enemy forces.
During Azm e Nou III phase one impressive display of all arms fire was also arranged in Cholistan desert which was witnessed by Prime Minister, Army chief along with Officials of friendly states. According to ISPR press release on 15 April Pakistan Army has become Network enabled force. This means Pakistan army has also adopted Network centric warfare method of war fare and has become capable of conducting operations according to the concept.
Interesting thing about this exercise is that unlike Zerb e Momin exercise, in this exercise Forces executed counter offensive instead of Counter attacks meaning that there is shift in Pakistani concepts of war. Secondly in this exercise Pakistani forces displayed their capability to shoot down drones.
Summing up Pakistan is a small country as compare to India. Although Pakistan wants peace with India and cooperation against terrorism but India has proven itself a bully any neutral person can see that since 1947 how India created problems for Pakistan. Instead of acting like a big brother it acted like a bully to many times smaller Pakistan. Presently from TTP to unrest in Balochistan there is clear evidence of Indian involvement. India is so much anti Pakistan that it even un diplomatically declared their Cold Start Strategy specifically against Pakistan.
Every free nation has right of self defense. Pakistan may be small but has displayed its capability and resolve not to bow in front of India.
Azm e Nou III is demonstration of same resolve that although we have less weapons and gadgetry as compare to India but nation and its forces have resolve and commitment to counter any Indian aggression weather its cold start or hot start or what ever. Pakistani commitment to war on terror does not mean that we are off guard on our eastern border.
http://www.groundreport.com/Business...ctrine/2922230
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If pakistan is prepared for COLD start strategy then We will give them COLDER START .
look what i found of pakistani website , i can tell you they are paranoid
Azm-e-Nau: Hot start against cold start
Iftikhar Butt
Pakistan Army's Azm-e-Nau-III exercise ends with 35 days round-the clock, almost non-stop, drill for sharpening wits and weapons, upgrading and uplifting physical and spiritual endurance capacities and capabilities and above all it was an exercise for operational readiness of faith, discipline and armament-with a renewed determination to fight any force on earth threatening the security, people and national assets of Pakistan. Pakistan's armed forces are a strange phenomenon. The enemy will find them ever ready for any war, from anywhere, anytime. Its preparedness will be always at the optimum level-may it be Armageddon. Exercise Azm-e-Nau III has left Indian defence analysts, think tanks, the untrustworthy neighbor and its unpredictable army big wigs guessing what was Pakistan Army and government up to.
The Indian government's thinking is reflected by what her paranoid army and defence analysts think. They are desperate and untrustworthy. And Pakistan is going by the experience with its psychopathic arch enemy who is plundering public money to buy all sorts of choiced weapons to cause maximum harm to Pakistan. India's Cold Start-a doctrine evolved in 2004 gives enough exposure to their open intentions to go for a joint-air force, navy and army offence against Pakistan. The Cold Start strategy is aimed militarily at Pakistan and is offensive operation specific. Pakistan government are well aware of their enemy's outrageously wicked and odious designs. If we just have a cursory glance at the magnitude of India's defence expenditure for fiscal 2010-2011 we will come to know that it has been raised by 3.98 percent. They have 32 billion dollars to make happen a catastrophe in the region without predicting that this country would be no more on the world map. India being the largest buyer among emerging countries has already imported military hardware worth 28 billion dollars since 2000 from Israel, Russia, France and Britain. Obviously this kind of preparedness is not meant for small states like Bhutan etc. Further more, India has recently inducted its longest range nuclear-tipped missiles into the army and plans to spend upto US 42 billion dollars on modernisation of its military.
We have just taken a peek at the defence spending of a peace loving country whose 80 percent population is struggling to exist. Acting according to the teachings of their "great" philosopher Chankiya the Indian leaders with an olive branch in their hands have always been straining their every nerve, every wit to subjugate their smaller, weaker neighboring states and even erase their national identity. And that's what their godfather, mentor Chankiya's philosophy is descending through ages, and it has become a nature and psyche of Indian leaders and thinkers. Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru was also fascinated by Chankiya's teachings. It is an aging old saying about Hindu leaders-they have a dagger hidden in their armpit and Ram's name on their lips. Indian leader's perturbance over Azm-e-Nau III military exercise is really justified. They are paranoid and scared and are attributing the massive military exercise to different motives, perhaps to satisfy their own wily minds. The employment of U.S. supplied military hardware in the exercise greatly irked the Indians. They know it was being proclaimed "India threat-centric" and they also know that they have been using in their exercises military hardware bought and gifted from U.S., Russia and other countries. Pakistan is a sovereign country-it can go for a quid pro quo or any kind of offensive including nukes if its security is challenged by any country. The army chief General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani has time and again rejected insinuation and a vicious propaganda against Pakistan army launched by Indian and its best friends including U.S. and Israel. General Kayani has also warned the enemies of Pakistan that strategic decisions regarding where, when and how many troops should be deployed were for Pakistan to make and that would be base on objective analysis and full understanding of the threat spectrum.
And when quite recently when an orchestrated slander campaign was launched by the enemy of Pakistan and their agents about the security of nukes Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani sounded them a warning. He warned the detractors that our nuclear weapons are the cornerstone of Pakistan deterrence strategy and enjoy complete national consensus and support. The Prime Minister dismissed with contempt the U.S. and Indians masterminds of the propaganda with the remarks that their insinuations to the contrary are plain, mischievous and malicious. The Indian leaders and army were perturbed 20 years hence when Pakistan army conducted Zarb-e-Momin (1989) after its pivotal role in forcing Soviet army out of Afghanistan. The entire world knew Pakistan's role in the victory but India going by its traits was adamant to take it. Now after 20 years the Indian species are again have gall in their heads. The chief cause of their irritation is that Pakistan army is conducting Azm-e-Nau III of an unprecedented magnitude "sending India politico-military signals". They are expressing fears that General Kayani through his military genie has brought about U.S.'s U-turn in favour of Pakistan army will ultimately facilitate the U.S. military exit from Afghanistan and the latter conceding strategic space in Afghanistan to the Pakistan army.
The Indian army and leadership feel miserable that they have been sidelined and isolated by U.S. apprehending that these two major factors-Afghanistan and U.S. sidelining India carry politico-military implications for India. Their defence analysts also conclude that Pakistan army, its strategic sensitivities and interests in Afghanistan would be upheld by the United States, disregarding India's objections to the contrary. They are further anticipative of the fact that Pakistan army could prevail over United States to make India yield on Kashmir issue. Their defence experts are also cautioning the Indian leaders and policy makers who are infatuated with India-U.S. strategic partnership that if the chips are down the United States will always throw its dice in favour of the Pakistan Army.
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=33725
Azm-e-Nau: Hot start against cold start
Iftikhar Butt
Pakistan Army's Azm-e-Nau-III exercise ends with 35 days round-the clock, almost non-stop, drill for sharpening wits and weapons, upgrading and uplifting physical and spiritual endurance capacities and capabilities and above all it was an exercise for operational readiness of faith, discipline and armament-with a renewed determination to fight any force on earth threatening the security, people and national assets of Pakistan. Pakistan's armed forces are a strange phenomenon. The enemy will find them ever ready for any war, from anywhere, anytime. Its preparedness will be always at the optimum level-may it be Armageddon. Exercise Azm-e-Nau III has left Indian defence analysts, think tanks, the untrustworthy neighbor and its unpredictable army big wigs guessing what was Pakistan Army and government up to.
The Indian government's thinking is reflected by what her paranoid army and defence analysts think. They are desperate and untrustworthy. And Pakistan is going by the experience with its psychopathic arch enemy who is plundering public money to buy all sorts of choiced weapons to cause maximum harm to Pakistan. India's Cold Start-a doctrine evolved in 2004 gives enough exposure to their open intentions to go for a joint-air force, navy and army offence against Pakistan. The Cold Start strategy is aimed militarily at Pakistan and is offensive operation specific. Pakistan government are well aware of their enemy's outrageously wicked and odious designs. If we just have a cursory glance at the magnitude of India's defence expenditure for fiscal 2010-2011 we will come to know that it has been raised by 3.98 percent. They have 32 billion dollars to make happen a catastrophe in the region without predicting that this country would be no more on the world map. India being the largest buyer among emerging countries has already imported military hardware worth 28 billion dollars since 2000 from Israel, Russia, France and Britain. Obviously this kind of preparedness is not meant for small states like Bhutan etc. Further more, India has recently inducted its longest range nuclear-tipped missiles into the army and plans to spend upto US 42 billion dollars on modernisation of its military.
We have just taken a peek at the defence spending of a peace loving country whose 80 percent population is struggling to exist. Acting according to the teachings of their "great" philosopher Chankiya the Indian leaders with an olive branch in their hands have always been straining their every nerve, every wit to subjugate their smaller, weaker neighboring states and even erase their national identity. And that's what their godfather, mentor Chankiya's philosophy is descending through ages, and it has become a nature and psyche of Indian leaders and thinkers. Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru was also fascinated by Chankiya's teachings. It is an aging old saying about Hindu leaders-they have a dagger hidden in their armpit and Ram's name on their lips. Indian leader's perturbance over Azm-e-Nau III military exercise is really justified. They are paranoid and scared and are attributing the massive military exercise to different motives, perhaps to satisfy their own wily minds. The employment of U.S. supplied military hardware in the exercise greatly irked the Indians. They know it was being proclaimed "India threat-centric" and they also know that they have been using in their exercises military hardware bought and gifted from U.S., Russia and other countries. Pakistan is a sovereign country-it can go for a quid pro quo or any kind of offensive including nukes if its security is challenged by any country. The army chief General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani has time and again rejected insinuation and a vicious propaganda against Pakistan army launched by Indian and its best friends including U.S. and Israel. General Kayani has also warned the enemies of Pakistan that strategic decisions regarding where, when and how many troops should be deployed were for Pakistan to make and that would be base on objective analysis and full understanding of the threat spectrum.
And when quite recently when an orchestrated slander campaign was launched by the enemy of Pakistan and their agents about the security of nukes Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani sounded them a warning. He warned the detractors that our nuclear weapons are the cornerstone of Pakistan deterrence strategy and enjoy complete national consensus and support. The Prime Minister dismissed with contempt the U.S. and Indians masterminds of the propaganda with the remarks that their insinuations to the contrary are plain, mischievous and malicious. The Indian leaders and army were perturbed 20 years hence when Pakistan army conducted Zarb-e-Momin (1989) after its pivotal role in forcing Soviet army out of Afghanistan. The entire world knew Pakistan's role in the victory but India going by its traits was adamant to take it. Now after 20 years the Indian species are again have gall in their heads. The chief cause of their irritation is that Pakistan army is conducting Azm-e-Nau III of an unprecedented magnitude "sending India politico-military signals". They are expressing fears that General Kayani through his military genie has brought about U.S.'s U-turn in favour of Pakistan army will ultimately facilitate the U.S. military exit from Afghanistan and the latter conceding strategic space in Afghanistan to the Pakistan army.
The Indian army and leadership feel miserable that they have been sidelined and isolated by U.S. apprehending that these two major factors-Afghanistan and U.S. sidelining India carry politico-military implications for India. Their defence analysts also conclude that Pakistan army, its strategic sensitivities and interests in Afghanistan would be upheld by the United States, disregarding India's objections to the contrary. They are further anticipative of the fact that Pakistan army could prevail over United States to make India yield on Kashmir issue. Their defence experts are also cautioning the Indian leaders and policy makers who are infatuated with India-U.S. strategic partnership that if the chips are down the United States will always throw its dice in favour of the Pakistan Army.
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=33725
edkaini753
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The whole world knows what we can do & what Pakistan can do. Don't underestimate us.
ahmedsid,
Pakistan has got nothing to counter Brahmos as of today. This system alone can break their Navy's spinal cord today if used properly. In near future, they have to detect and destroy a Brahmos missile all with in the window of 5 minutes. Now consider three missiles instead of one ...... launched from fast maneuvering Su-30 fighters ...... simply lethal.
Pakistan has got nothing to counter Brahmos as of today. This system alone can break their Navy's spinal cord today if used properly. In near future, they have to detect and destroy a Brahmos missile all with in the window of 5 minutes. Now consider three missiles instead of one ...... launched from fast maneuvering Su-30 fighters ...... simply lethal.
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Cold start is a very difficult operation to counter. 8 IBGs charging into pre planned routes but will look random to the Pakistanis. With the assets they have, it will be difficult indeed. The Cold Start will temporarily redefine borders. The pakistanis can only react to Cold Start within their borders which is the whole point anyway. We will get Pakistani land as bargaining chips without having to cross the Nuclear threshold.
Our Army-Navy IBG will need a bit more work though. We are new at it.
Our Army-Navy IBG will need a bit more work though. We are new at it.
If cold start is to be exercised, extensive intel about their Nukes is a absolute must. Their nuclear arsenal, launch sites etc. destroyed in first few hours. I dont think India has that capability currently, maybe in 2020. Thats where all systems like Brahmos, Nirbhay, stealth FGFA (strike role), Agni will come into play. India will need extensive spy network on ground in Pak. UAVs in air. And if they launch a nuke tip BM, then AAD/PAD should be good enough to deter it.
Without all these its like playing with fire. So cold start is a big NO for now. We do have the capability to do it but I dont think we have the capability to deal with the aftereffects. More so we will need nationalist and warmonger(not sure if its right word) leaders who are not afraid of loosing, we lack these currently as well.
