Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 2014

[IBSA]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

This year the First World War will complete 100 years from its start. If China commit this agression, it can start the Third World War.

 

[Phantom]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

we should do this to katchatheevu from sri lanka but we dont have guts to do it

And then what, earn a reputation as a Nation that goes back on it's words and tries to deprive smaller countries of whatever they have, like China?

India will not gain anything substantial from seizing a small island like Katchatheevu, just Bad Press. The island played no part in defining India's maritime EEZ, unlike what the Spratly Islands or Paracel Islands are for China and it's neighbours.

 

[no smoking]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

yep all it needs a silly reason if someone want to start a war

No, you got it wrong.

No one is going to start a war for these island: China doesn't need to go that far; other countries can't afford.

Everyone is putting more boats to smash other countries' boats. The keys in this game is how strong your boats are and how fast you can build or buy new boats.

 

[redragon]

No, you got it wrong.

No one is going to start a war for these island: China doesn't need to go that far; other countries can't afford.

Everyone is putting more boats to smash other countries' boats. The keys in this game is how strong your boats are and how fast you can build or buy new boats.

you have to understand that some Indian members here are so desperate to see China to get into some big trouble, they can't tell what is their imagination from what is reasonable reality any more

 

[nirranj]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

Indian fishermen often do go into Srilankan waters and estimates show 85 fishermen were killed in 10 years and Srilanka is denied most of those killings.

There are lot of activities that go in these waters including arms smuggling. During the days of LTTE these incidents are more, Now a days the situation is coming back to normal.

I am talking about the important places of Srilanka , like how much time it will take to control the Island.

You got me wrong there.

Indian Fishermen Not often go to SL territorial waters. They mostly go near the Kachchatheevu and get killled. Now the SL navy is arresting the Indian fishermen and more than 275 Fishermen are in SL custody. This started to happen after heavy protests in TN. IF not more innocent fishermen would have been killed. And India never made a angry show like those made for Devyani Khobragade and for the two fishermen killed by the italian marines. First India should stop appeasing this prankster and should makke its anger visible. Kachchatheevu belongs to fishermen of India and Eelam. Not to the blood thirsty dictatorship in Colombu.

 

[nirranj]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

And then what, earn a reputation as a Nation that goes back on it's words and tries to deprive smaller countries of whatever they have, like China?

India will not gain anything substantial from seizing a small island like Katchatheevu, just Bad Press. The island played no part in defining India's maritime EEZ, unlike what the Spratly Islands or Paracel Islands are for China and it's neighbours.

You showed you are a complete no brainer. That Island has value to the fishing community in TN, That Island is like a forward post for them. It is a traditional property of the fishing communities from the area of TN in India. Many fishermen from India has lost their lives around that island to the bullets and matchets of the bloodthirsty regime in colombu. You want any more reason to take back that island?

 

[nirranj]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

This China is no Quality obsessed Germans of the second world war. They can manufacture and put more weapons and platforms onto the field. They can replace the sinking ships with more ships.

Their weakness willl be thr skill of their sailors and soldiers. The europeans, americans have constantly fought in wars in the 20th century and well into the 21st century. They also emphasize on training and making their soldiers and sailors more efficient killing macines.

China will pay heavily to win a war like the Soviets. But China is no soviet union of the 1940's... Its demography will not allow it to remove men from the industries and put them in the field for a longer period.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

Indian Fishermen Not often go to SL territorial waters. They mostly go near the Kachchatheevu and get killled. Now the SL navy is arresting the Indian fishermen and more than 275 Fishermen are in SL custody. This started to happen after heavy protests in TN. IF not more innocent fishermen would have been killed. And India never made a angry show like those made for Devyani Khobragade and for the two fishermen killed by the italian marines. First India should stop appeasing this prankster and should makke its anger visible. Kachchatheevu belongs to fishermen of India and Eelam. Not to the blood thirsty dictatorship in Colombu.

During the days of LTTE the situation is complex one. It is more like Srilanka claiming that these guys are arms smugglers helping LTTE. But not the situation is changing and GOI is trying to put effective measures to solve the issue of Indian Fishermen.

 

[Phantom]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

You showed you are a complete no brainer. That Island has value to the fishing community in TN, That Island is like a forward post for them. It is a traditional property of the fishing communities from the area of TN in India. Many fishermen from India has lost their lives around that island to the bullets and matchets of the bloodthirsty regime in colombu. You want any more reason to take back that island?

No need for personal jibes. I never said the safety of our fishermen need not be ensured, did I? The Tamil Nadu Govt and the Coast Guard are competent enough to educate our fishermen not to fish in Sri Lankan waters and to keep an eye on Sri Lankan activities in the area. Katchatheevu need not be retaken for this purpose though.

 

[Ray]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

Mongolia should seize lands stolen by China and calling it Inner Mongolia.

Likewise for all land stolen by the Han be restored to the original owners.

 

[SajeevJino]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

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No One Talks about Killing of Fisherman ..everyone care about Cross Border Fishing does these guys Know The International Borders in the Ocean lines ..from when this kind of Activities started from the Lankan Navy

 

[nirranj]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

No need for personal jibes. I never said the safety of our fishermen need not be ensured, did I? The Tamil Nadu Govt and the Coast Guard are competent enough to educate our fishermen not to fish in Sri Lankan waters and to keep an eye on Sri Lankan activities in the area. Katchatheevu need not be retaken for this purpose though.

Kachchatheevu Belongs to India. And it lies in the traditional fishing waters of ouur fishermen. No compromise with SL in this regard. We want our land and right restored.

 

[Phantom]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

Kachchatheevu Belongs to India. And it lies in the traditional fishing waters of ouur fishermen. No compromise with SL in this regard. We want our land and right restored.

1. The Island lies entirely within the geographical maritime boundaries of Sri Lanka. This was the reason why India recognised Sri Lankan sovereignty over the Island.

2. The Island lies near the traditional fishing waters of TAMIL fishermen from BOTH sides. Perhaps people who can't even allow their transborder cousins to fish within their own recognised waters shouldn't then be siding with them in their Civil War against the Sinhalas.

 

[Ray]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

1. The Island lies entirely within the geographical maritime boundaries of Sri Lanka. This was the reason why India recognised Sri Lankan sovereignty over the Island.

2. The Island lies near the traditional fishing waters of TAMIL fishermen from BOTH sides. Perhaps people who can't even allow their transborder cousins to fish within their own recognised waters shouldn't then be siding with them in their Civil War against the Sinhalas.

Your contention is is not quite along with facts.

The maritime boundary i disputed.

The fact that the island belongs to Ceylon is also disputed.

It has not been ratified by the Indian Parliament.

Unless you are from the Congress Party that feels that the country is the personal property of the Nehru Gandhi Dynasty, thee giving away of the area as a personal gift is flawed.

 

[Phantom]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

Your contention is is not quite along with facts.

The maritime boundary i disputed.

The fact that the island belongs to Ceylon is also disputed.

It has not been ratified by the Indian Parliament.

Unless you are from the Congress Party that feels that the country is the personal property of the Nehru Gandhi Dynasty, thee giving away of the area as a personal gift is flawed.

Please go through the history of Katchathivu before stating that. It was administered by Ceylon until the 1920s, when the Raja of Ramnad usurped the island to his realm.

In a fit of magnanimity or shrewd diplomatic tactic, India did gift the Island back to Sri Lanka, but the maritime boundary delimitation would still have placed the island within Lankan jurisdiction.

Agreed that the Parliament hasn't ratified the transfer, but it would be wrong to view these actions as those of the Congress Party. It was a decision taken by our PM and that's precisely how it must be viewed. It's not the Congress Party, but the Nation of India that would benefit more from friendly ties with Sri Lanka.

Lastly, it was us who GAVE it to Lanka. Now, to ask it back or forcibly evict Lankans from there will only invite bad press and further strains in an already fragile friendship with the Lankans. We already have listened enough to the Tamils in their quest to support their transnational Tamil brethren. Now, they have a problem from the very group they so vehemently supported. Let them sort it amongst themselves!

 

[Ray]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

Please go through the history of Katchathivu before stating that. It was administered by Ceylon until the 1920s, when the Raja of Ramnad usurped the island to his realm.

In a fit of magnanimity or shrewd diplomatic tactic, India did gift the Island back to Sri Lanka, but the maritime boundary delimitation would still have placed the island within Lankan jurisdiction.

Agreed that the Parliament hasn't ratified the transfer, but it would be wrong to view these actions as those of the Congress Party. It was a decision taken by our PM and that's precisely how it must be viewed. It's not the Congress Party, but the Nation of India that would benefit more from friendly ties with Sri Lanka.

Lastly, it was us who GAVE it to Lanka. Now, to ask it back or forcibly evict Lankans from there will only invite bad press and further strains in an already fragile friendship with the Lankans. We already have listened enough to the Tamils in their quest to support their transnational Tamil brethren. Now, they have a problem from the very group they so vehemently supported. Let them sort it amongst themselves!

The issue is very simple that proves your contention to be flawed.

India is a Democracy and not a Monarchy.

If the Parliament has not ratified the 'gift', can the same be taken as legal?

'Us' is the Parliament and not the Gandhi Nehru's whims or you!

 

[Phantom]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

The issue is very simple that proves your contention to be flawed.

India is a Democracy and not a Monarchy.

If the Parliament has not ratified the 'gift', can the same be taken as legal?

'Us' is the Parliament and not the Gandhi Nehru's whims or you!

The island of Katchaheevu exchanged hands as part of the 1974 Maritime Boundary Demarcation Agreement. Prior to this, although the Island was administered by India, the maritime boundary (effectively, the border) between India and Sri Lanka hadn't been defined. Hence, the island wasn't recognised as sovereign Indian territory. At the end of the delimiting, when it was found that the island lies within Lankan boundaries, it was returned. The Parliamentary ratification may not be necessary for concluding such an agreement in the first place.

I don't think legally any loopholes exist within the deal. Many non-Congress Governments at the Centre have come and gone, but nobody has raised objections to what might amount to duplicity by the IG regime on ceding Katchatheevu.

Please share any material which may have incriminated the IG regime in this deal. I couldn't find any.

 

[ninja85]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

we should do this to katchatheevu from sri lanka but we dont have guts to do it

we are building a massive and advanced navy in whole asia of what sri lanka can only dream of and it will dominate asia if not the whole world
then why worry about guts in front of shitty island nation of sri lanka.

 

[Ray]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

The island of Katchaheevu exchanged hands as part of the 1974 Maritime Boundary Demarcation Agreement. Prior to this, although the Island was administered by India, the maritime boundary (effectively, the border) between India and Sri Lanka hadn't been defined. Hence, the island wasn't recognised as sovereign Indian territory. At the end of the delimiting, when it was found that the island lies within Lankan boundaries, it was returned. The Parliamentary ratification may not be necessary for concluding such an agreement in the first place.

I don't think legally any loopholes exist within the deal. Many non-Congress Governments at the Centre have come and gone, but nobody has raised objections to what might amount to duplicity by the IG regime on ceding Katchatheevu.

Please share any material which may have incriminated the IG regime in this deal. I couldn't find any.

The Indo-Sri Lankan agreement allows Indian fishermen to fish around Katchatheevu and to dry their nets on the island,

That apart, in June 2011, the new Tamil Nadu government led by Jayalalithaa filed a petition in Supreme Court seeking the declaration of the 1974 and 1976 agreements between India and Sri Lanka on ceding of Katchatheevu to Sri Lanka as unconstitutional.

The court ruled in Berubari case that cession of Indian territory to another country had to be ratified by parliament through amendment of the constitution.

Katchatheevu was ceded to Sri Lanka in violation to the court under the 1974 and 1976 agreements without the approval of two Houses of Parliament.

 

[Phantom]

Re: Chinese troops to seize Zhongye Island from the Philippines in 20

The Indo-Sri Lankan agreement allows Indian fishermen to fish around Katchatheevu and to dry their nets on the island,

That apart, in June 2011, the new Tamil Nadu government led by Jayalalithaa filed a petition in Supreme Court seeking the declaration of the 1974 and 1976 agreements between India and Sri Lanka on ceding of Katchatheevu to Sri Lanka as unconstitutional.

The court ruled in Berubari case that cession of Indian territory to another country had to be ratified by parliament through amendment of the constitution.

Katchatheevu was ceded to Sri Lanka in violation to the court under the 1974 and 1976 agreements without the approval of two Houses of Parliament.

As I said before, such an approval is needed for ceding sovereign Indian territory. But Katchatheevu wasn't legally having that status when the maritime borders were drawn in 1974.