Chinese Troops Intrude into Indian Territory in Ladakh!!!

Discussion in 'Internal Security' started by bhramos, Apr 19, 2013.

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what options India have if china doesn't pull back from ladakh?

  1. Media campaign to not buy Chinese goods

    16.8%
  2. Expelling diplomats

    25.2%
  3. Banning Chinese imports

    35.1%
  4. Going to international community

    15.3%
  5. Military solution

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  1. rockey 71

    rockey 71 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Nah! CPC is not a communist party except in name.
     
  2. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

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    yep what is it exactly ... ??

    always see list of PRC technological advancements (a bit like Soviet times but garnered differently) ... such ought to have human resources doing such ... what do they think. It would be fascinating to know !!

    the critical parameter in this is the insecurity and sense that PRC is holding together the chinese people and this super nation of chinese together. without Communist Party all chinese would splinter and breakaway into many small areas and pieces. but already that has many confusions and abstracts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Soviet_states

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia

    (such a cute little country)

    Communist Party of China and Constitution of PRC is ... PRC

    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/07/18/2003651259

    Party delegate Hsiao Chieh (蕭杰) proposed a motion to authorize the DPP Central Executive Committee to abolish clauses in the party’s charter promoting Taiwan’s de jure independence, while party delegate Lee Chi-wei (李啟維) proposed that the DPP government should push to abolish “Republic of China (ROC)” as the nation’s official name.

    Chinese people are not stupid ...

    (why is Taiwan until today wishing and waiting for Communist part of China to disintegrate and change ... has someone told them something)
     
  3. Sakal Gharelu Ustad

    Sakal Gharelu Ustad Detests Jholawalas Moderator

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    What he meant were their policies. They follow liberal market policies these days. It is just a dictatorial govt in some way.
     
  4. rockey 71

    rockey 71 Senior Member Senior Member

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    A communist party should obviously follow the communist ideology. No surplus production. No trading in surplus production. Only equal swap is allowed. No private property or commerce allowed. Foreign finance or foreign companies not allowed. No political part other than the communist party permitted. Not generally known is the fact there are more parties in China other than CPC. Etc, etc. Nope, a communist would not call PRC a communist nation.
     
  5. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

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    cheers for explaining. only for sake of a follow up (no way saying you are wrong) ... again what policies are they ? what is china ?
     
  6. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

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    communist philosophy and socialism is footprint in PRC with the "peasants" ... again ask a PRC people what is a peasant !! again a jumble rumble of mouths and unclear explanations. after which you get a emergency person try and give a real explanation that no one but only them would understand (and no one else will).

    what is china ? what is chinese ?

    Communist party of China is that "emergency person" ...
     
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  7. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Actually CCP has never claimed China is a communist country, but rather "Socialism". By its "official" ideology socialism is the prelude to communist society, sounding like a gradual maturing into a "higher" stage where nirvana is achieved. :bounce:

    Then comes another question what is socialism? In Sri Lanka to my surprise their nation is branded as -->[​IMG]

    Guess different people always hold varied interpretation of 'socialism', like different paths to enlightenment? :shock:

    English being not my native tongue I'm not quite sure abt precise definition of 'peasant'.


    China used to be an agrarian society. Around 70-80% of arable land was owned by landlord who constituted maybe 10% of populace. CCP confiscated most of their lands and distributed to the landless WITHOUT compensation. Why does "peasant" keep on popping up in books on contemporary Chinese history? CCP considered 'peasantry' WAS its political base (?? votebank or the brunt of revolution) as was very differnt from the Soviet Union. :cool3:

    What Dr Sun Yat-sen (KMT) envisaged was that the state acquired lands for redistribution. In Taiwan (ROC) it was implemented accordingly - landlords were "forced" to sell lands to the state in exchange for bonds, security...
     
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  8. rockey 71

    rockey 71 Senior Member Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China

    This may point out certain issues, misnomer and contradictions that i have touched at the surface. I have had discourses with members of CCP during my visits to China and their visit in BD. I continue to remain bewildered. But then, given the history of China and the present realities in China and the world, I do believe the wise leaders of China have charted the best course for social peace, prosperity of the nation and the general good of China.
     
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  9. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

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    seriously you make a lot of sense. but it is you - here i give a small follow up for you (only).

    If you read the constitution of India ...

    Please compare it to the PRC Constitution.

    WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
    JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
    LIBERTY of thought , expression, belief, faith and worship;
    EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all[5]
    FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation;
    IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November, 1949, do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS [email protected]

    I will point out the word Socialist like you did with the Sri Lankan passport.

    But another PRC person might come up to me and say listen what is a Constitution and what is India and Sri Lanka constitution and what does it do. he might also link it to Passport.

    What does a constitution of a country do ?? Can it be changed. Does it bring any rights and responsibilities.

    Now please talk and show me the PRC constitution ... please do not use the Taiwan one (even Hong Kong and Macau one and even USA one if you are living overseas). [also no passport photos of these]

    You will be surprised that PRC Constitution is there and has some good words in it ... it is not a bad document.

    But all the nirvana you mention ...

    the worry is PRC people do not know what they are talking about.
     
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  10. Hindustani78

    Hindustani78 Senior Member Senior Member

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    //economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/62386455.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

    New Delhi: The Chinese army's transgressions along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control with India appear to have undergone a shift to an attempt to construct permanent structures from the earlier pattern of creating temporary structures or destroying temporary structures made by India.

    This was evident in the recent incident of transgression by bulldozer in Arunachal Pradesh, to parts of which China lays a claim, experts said. It was similar to the Dokalam incident that led to the 75-day standoff last year between the two countries in the territory claimed by both India's ally Bhutan and China, they said.

    China's aim, according to experts, is to alter status quo along the LAC, which is why its army seeks to move as deep as it can into Indian territory to alter facts on the ground, on the basis of which it can later try to influence negotiations in boundary talks with India.

    The recent Arunachal Pradesh episode is the first instance of transgression along LAC since re-election of President Xi Jinping as general secretary of the Communist Party of China, which put him in the league of Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping.

    The transgression reportedly occurred when state councillor Yang Jiechi was in Delhi for the 20th round of special representative talks on the boundary issue. "The common pattern in Dokalam and Arunachal Pradesh is assertion on China's perceived core interests — regardless of the region or opponent," said Chinese affairs expert Srikanth Kondapalli.

    At the heart of the Sino-Indian boundary dispute is the issue of Arunachal Pradesh (90,000 sq km), which China describes as 'Southern Tibet'.

    China has been demanding that at least the Tawang tract in Arunachal Pradesh, if not the whole of India's north-easternmost state, be transferred to China. While China has ruled out a boundary settlement without the transfer of at least Tawang, India has made it clear that there can be no compromise on Arunachal Pradesh.


    There can't be any compromise even on Tawang, which is an area with a settled population, according to Indian officials, who have said that the government has repeatedly made it clear to China that the entire state is an integral part of India. China argues that since the sixth Dalai Lama Tsangyang Gyatso was born in Tawang, it is close to the hearts and religious sentiments of the Tibetan people, and that India should make a concession on Tawang.The current Dalai Lama fled to India via Tawang in the late 1950s. Therefore, according to China, control over Tawang and Arunachal Pradesh is essential for it to fully establish its control over Tibet.
     
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  11. bhramos

    bhramos Elite Member Elite Member

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    Northern Doklam under PLA control .

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    PLA has occupied Northern Doklam upto the area near stand off with India .
    New satellite images shows deployment of Mechanical unit with 100+ transport vehicles and IFV ,
    PLA has constructed new roads ,7 Helipad capable of handling largest helicopter in Chinese inventory ,new fighting posts and a very high observation tower .

    New deployment is to over come the humiliating withdrawal after Indian army challenged and forced PLA to withdraw from Doklam .
    Standoff with India was a humiliating experience to entire PLA and failure of two of the major commanders who are said to be the best of PLA head of western Theatre command of PLA .
    Their strategy failed after India challenged PLA and blocked the road construction in Doklam which was backed up a huge silent deployment by India .

    Chinese strategists and army heads weighed in a military operations at tactical level against Indian army in Doklam ,plan was rolled back as a complete success against Indian army is not possible anything less than a complete victory will be seen by the world as a humiliating defeat of PLA and the ever expanding Chinese armed forces .

    Indian Air force has deployed Su-30Mki to Hasimara nearest air force base near Doklam replacing Mig-27 .
    Satellite imagery shows 2 Su-30Mki deployed to Hasimara ,which will be a stop gap deployment till Induction of Rafale .
     
  12. delbruky

    delbruky THE VALOR OF BHAI SATI DAS 1621-1675

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    I don't what is MOD's intention in Dokalam, is it to just sit and watch the Chinese build, why can't they carry out their own construction in the vicinity, if nothing else just build a rest area and a pantry for the Indian troops. Sorry to say but my perception is that Indian MOD and army are just being mute spectators.
     
  13. Pandeyji

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    They are building in area that have been under Chinese control for a long time. India is already building there. Besides look at the pics again. Notice the difference in height of Indian & Chinese positions
     

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