Chinese Ships Ram Vietnamese Vessels

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if ordinary Indians like you are having that idea, then that idea is certainly gonna be reflected in India's national policy, that is the beauty of being a democracy, isn't it?


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It is the extraordinary Indians in Govt and Ministers and who run the country actually formulate the policy.

Ordinary Indians are free to have their own opinions and express it openly.

Now, that is the the beauty of democracy.
 

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It is the extraordinary Indians in Govt and Ministers and who run the country actually formulate the policy.

Ordinary Indians are free to have their own opinions and express it openly.

Now, that is the the beauty of democracy.
The extraordinary ministers were ordinary person like most Indian members here before being made ministers. they were made ministers because they could formulate national policies base on the opinions of the ordinary people. those are the essence of democracy, arent they?

if people are free to express ideas, but government doesnt listen, then what is the point?

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India should transfer Ballistic missile tech to Vietnam and also sell Brahmos missiles.
Chinese had its nuclear weapons since 1960s, did Vietnam ever shit its pants for that? NO!
Chinese had its ballistic missile since 1970s which covered the whole vietnam, did vietnam ever give in under its threat? NO!

If Chinese ballistic missile can't scare shit out of vietnamese, why do you think missile threat can work against China?

By the way, Vietnam really doesn't need your weapon, whatever you can offer, they can find the better alternative from Russians.
 

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Getting too excited, Fine by me, Just Keep that kinda language out of this forum ..

When you come back, Think before posting **** ..

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That is all ..

did Vietnam ever shit its pants for that? NO!.
 

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Chinese ships ram Vietnamese vessels in latest oil rig row: officials

Vietnamese Marine Police ships patrolling Vietnamese waters were rammed by Chinese marine police, Ngo Ngoc Thu, vice commander of the High Command of Vietnam Marine Police said Wednesday.

Videos showed at the press conference showed Chinese ships, backed by helicopters, aggressively obstructing Vietnamese ships.
The Chinese ships also sprayed water cannons, damaging Vietnamese vessels and injuring their crew members, Thu said.

At around 8:10 am on May 3, a Chinese ship struck the right side of a Vietnamese Marine Police vessel at high speed, smashing the windows of the Vietnamese vessel that was attempting to take evasive maneuvers, Thu said.

Another Chinese ship collided with a Vietnamese ship at around 8 a.m. on May 4, he said.A total of eight Vietnamese ships were rammed, hit or sprayed with high pressure hoses.At one point, five Chinese ships surrounded a single Vietnamese vessel, Thu said."Vietnamese fishing surveillance forces were protecting the nation's sovereignty and jurisdiction and asking Chinese to withdraw from the area," he said.
 

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Two vessels of Vietnam CG ( CSB-2012 and CSN-4033) after clashed with Chinese vessels are being repaired at Song Thu shipyard

 

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Trung Quốc chỉ là kẻ thất bại. Trong lịch sử chúng mày hết thua Mông Cổ, thua các bộ lạc du mục và đặc biệt là thua Việt Nam chúng tao không biết bao nhiêu lần. Và đến bây giờ chúng mày cũng vẫn thua thôi.
Ở Việt Nam chúng tao còn có Gò Đống Đa là nơi chôn xác bao nhiêu binh linh Trung Quốc chúng mày đấy

Hình nơi chôn xác giặc Trung Quốc:

China is the only loser. In our history you lose all Mongols, the nomadic tribes lost and especially Vietnam we lost I do not know how many times. And now you also have lost them alone.
In Vietnam we I Go Dong Da is also the burial place of many soldiers we urticaria China

Figure grave enemy China :laugh::

 

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Kid, please! dont scare us with this we-are-gonna-arm-Vietnam-to-the-teeth crap.

It's not that India has not thought of the idea of proliferating nuclear and missile technology to Vietnam. Of course you did, but you couldnt take the consequences.

you think China is gonna be the one who jumps out and stops you? come on, kid! your boss Yankees are gonna stop you for the world peace.

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On bold part... Can you share some more information to support your statement ?? any insider information you have ??

Our Boss !! Yankees are very nervous these days...
 

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please define 'disputed' first, and explain to me why it matters. is it that the island being disputed justifies Vietnamese provocations?

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are you serious with the word you use. is that the official language. you are asking others to define "disputed" and also saying that if things are disputed it allows one to setup oil-rig and fortification of navy vessels to protect such parameters and gain economic benefits in disputed areas.

are you establishing new international law where states can go and overrule others rights and responsibility in disputed areas. why PRC does not go into Taiwan waters and setup a oil rig there. in fact come over to arunchal pradesh and setup a oil drilling area there. according to you it is not a problem.

you are saying it is Vietnamese fault only. if you are being aggressive say and deal with it. but if you are pretending that others are at fault its like some of our politicians here where people laugh at their factual misstatements.

when things get escalated one looks at what the position was before the event. what was changed and who changed it.

you first identify which "Chinese Island" is 15 Km away. You made a factual statement why are you shy to name the island. I would imagine the official position of PRC is much different to what you are saying.

To make it easier for you - use any definition of "disputed" you want and explain how the "Chinese Island" allows PRC to do what it is doing and not be seen by Vietnam to be aggressive and unwarranted.

Vietnam is getting media savvy also. Where are the videos by PRC to counter the ramming. Does PRC have control over all its personnel - was it like the Hainan Island incident and PRC incursions into India.

No offense to you but i expect PRC to do better and with higher standards and with fairness.
 

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Chinese won't benefit from its oil exploration without anticipation of vietname.

=>>> LOL, real? Its just like stranger go in other's house and say we should live together, which is mine is mine, which is yours we use it together.

So, are you suggesting that vietnamese public would be pleased to see US troops deployed in their country 40 years later.
=>>> No, I take examples to show that there are many reasons which make Viet Nam is China's main target.



Your mass media must do a wonderful job to brianwash you beliving this.
=>>> I read it, the more aggressive idea, the more it like.
bbs.tiexue.net/post_2959709_1.html (This is different topic I would like not to talk about it)
Do you know that Viet Nam government hide a lot negative information about China to protect relationship between two country and not arouse China hatred? Not only on forum, but also China official media speak ill of Viet Nam.

Don't you know that Chinese is quickly aging at the moment?
Sex-Ratio unblance? Don't worry about it. We have a cheaper solution than your imagination: buying bride from our neighbours including vietnam.
=>> Yeah, Those women are poor and very low- education. This could happen in any country. Because countryside Chinese man is too poor to marry Chinese women which is so fewer than man. I know China is richer than Viet Nam but only in your main city. If you compare Chinese country side to Vietnamese countryside. Its the same.


You and your own government isn't doing the same thing?
Speaking "peace" while harassing Chinese, tawanese, philipines fishing boat?
=>>> we harassing what? Dont you see that when China rise, Eastern Sea rise many issues too. Do you know your government shoot our fishing boat in our fishing area?

This is a JOKE ! you dont know a thing about UNCLOS 1982, DOC 2002. China is violate agreements they signed. You are master at turning white to black, from bully to victim.

Dont you know 14/3/1988, China invade our Paracel Island and kills 64 Vietnamese soldier . Now you say "15km from your island".

This is "jungle law", "right belongs to the Strong". I am wasting my time.
 

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I anticipate that this was planned and directed from the PRC leadership approach to enhance PRC reputation and prick the Americans. There is also a tinge of maintaining internal patriotism and stability.

China Thwarts U.S. 'Containment' With Vietnam Oil Rig Standoff - Forbes

U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Tuesday that Cnooc's actions were "provocative and unhelpful to the maintenance of peace and stability in the region."

China's spokeswoman said, according to Xinhua news service, that the U.S. is in no position to make irresponsible remarks on China's affairs.
One question that comes to mind is what do people of Hong Kong and Taiwan and Overseas Chinese think of such actions. Do they want such leadership that is "Provocative and unhelpful" - do they want more "Peaceful" aspirations.
 
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How things unfolded >>


Chinese launch an invasion with 80 ships consist of Navy, Coast guards and Fishing boats, Start ramming and assaulting any Vietnamese vessels in the area..

Chinese have done Serious damages done to Vietnamese vessels, Injuring some of the crews..

Worried Vietnamese family of the crew on land

Chinese warships at rear ..
 

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China is talking about peace but continuing to accelerate the tension. Using HD 981 oil-dig like a mobile territory and put them in front of Viet Nam's door. then if Viet Nam defend =>>> No problem, say " Viet Nam harassing" and " we are just defend our right".
 

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Vietnamese reinforcement arriving on the scene

Vietnamese commanders looking at the Chinese staging area

Vietnamese ship looking right at Chinese ship

Vietnamese ship on high alert

Philippine Coast guard ship also arresting Chinese fishing boats in South china sea

SOUTH CHINA SEA (May 7, 2014),Aviation Electrician's Mate 3rd Class Jenna Obertone, assigned to the Golden Falcons of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 12, washes an MH-60S Sea Hawk helicopter on the flight deck of U.S. 7th Fleet flagship USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19). Blue Ridge is on patrol in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region with embarked 7th Fleet staff, USA ships had come around two warship included USS Blue Ridge..
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Soon or latter, India too will send her Pocket destroyers / Coast guard ships to support Vietnamese presence in the area ...
 

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Nine dash lines were unchallenged by the Philippines or Vietnam when it was drawn in 1947! First come first served!
Read this ! Beijing should reconsider its South China Sea claims | South China Morning Post
This from HongKong post !

Now that the embarrassing Philippine hostage saga has finally been put to rest, perhaps we could take a look at another foreign policy issue that could affect Hong Kong.

The situation with respect to the Diaoyu Islands is pretty well understood locally. In broad terms, they have been widely regarded as Chinese territory since the 14th century. They came under Japanese administration only after the first Sino-Japanese war and the subsequent Treaty of Shimonoseki in 1895.

After the second world war, they were overseen by the United States and treated as part of the Ryukyu Islands. In 1972, the entire group of islands was handed back to Japan.

The Chinese case for ownership of the Diaoyu Islands seems strong in moral terms given this history. Many ordinary citizens in Hong Kong have demonstrated accordingly and some have even sailed to the islands and landed as an expression of Chinese sovereignty.

However, there is not the same degree of understanding locally about the disputes with other countries concerning various reefs and islands in the South China Sea.

For example, the Paracel Islands are roughly equidistant from China, which calls them the Xisha Islands, and Vietnam, which knows them as the Hoang Sa Islands.

After establishment of the People's Republic in 1949, China came to control the eastern Paracels, and Vietnam the western ones. Following the defeat of French forces in Vietnam, the Vietnamese Paracels were left in the hands of South Vietnam.

In 1974, China defeated the South Vietnamese forces in the Battle of the Paracel Islands and has maintained control over all of them since.

In a sense then, the dispute has been resolved, but only by force of arms, and Vietnam maintains its claim.

The Spratlys are further south from the Paracels and geographically speaking are closer to Malaysia, the Philippines, Brunei and Vietnam than mainland China.

Beijing's position at present is that all the specks of land within the so-called nine-dash line are considered China's sovereign soil.

All the countries in close proximity to the Spratlys dispute the relevance or validity of the line and have a claim to one or more of the islands/reefs.

There seems to be considerable uncertainty about the moral strength of China's position even among patriots and friends. For example, unlike the case with the Diaoyu Islands, there have been no public demonstrations outside the various consulates of the rival claimants, nor have there been any high-profile expeditions by concerned citizens.

Why are so many countries, many of which we would consider to be our friends, so adamantly opposed to China's claim?

We are all proud that our country is now recognised as a world power. It is entirely reasonable in this context for us to strengthen our military capabilities in order to protect our legitimate interests in the world in general and the region in particular.

But the question needs to be asked: Is it really our intention to enforce our claims to all the islands by military force as we did previously with the Paracels?

Do the claims by other countries - our friends and neighbours - have zero validity? Are there really no peaceful ways to resolve differences of this kind? Have we genuinely tried them all?

Hong Kong has no say in foreign affairs as quite properly this is a matter reserved for the central government. But Hong Kong people do have an interest in how the present impasse is resolved and a strong desire for a peaceful outcome.

Mike Rowse is managing director of Stanton Chase International and an adjunct professor at the Chinese University of Hong Kong. [email protected]
 
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if ordinary Indians like you are having that idea, then that idea is certainly gonna be reflected in India's national policy, that is the beauty of being a democracy, isn't it?


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now what is beauty(!?) of communism
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totalitarianism?
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killing your own children to bring down population? Even hitler doesn't killed children
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or the beauty is to fight with neighbour countries to just acquire land by showing the stupidity and hollowness of lessons of history
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or it to keep people in full ignorance by printing false news
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or it to kill those who opposes communism by calling them betrayer
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let of ask you is it really beauty or ugliness
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beauty lies in eyes of beholder but here every beholder will close his eyes because of massacre of communist party
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don't forget the same vietnam defeated you
 

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The extraordinary ministers were ordinary person like most Indian members here before being made ministers. they were made ministers because they could formulate national policies base on the opinions of the ordinary people. those are the essence of democracy, arent they?

if people are free to express ideas, but government doesnt listen, then what is the point?

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the point is atleast we can express
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you can't even utter a single word against ruling party
and in india some like anna hazare can make good laws by social revolution
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let me tell you beauties(!?) of communism
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totalitarianism?
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or printing fake and exaggerating news?
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killing children for low population, even hitler was more kind than this
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or just showing your hollow and stupid knowledge of history by claiming others land as yours?
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or it is by killing those who opposes ruling party and calling them betrayer
 
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Philippines
and Vietnam are expected to be more
vocal in raising concerns over the
South China Sea row in the Association
of Southeast Asian Nations summit
this weekend in Myanmar.
President Aquino and other Southeast
Asian leaders are heading to Nay Pyi
Taw for the summit on Saturday and
Sunday amid fresh tensions in the
resource-rich international waterway.
Mr. Aquino is departing for Myanmar
Saturday afternoon in time for the
dinner to be hosted by Myanmar
President U Thein Sein for Asean
leaders on that day.
Up for discussion during the summit
plenary meeting are the following:
progress in the implementation of the
so-called Roadmap for an Asean
Community, the initiative for Asean
Integration Work Plan II, and the
Master Plan on Asean Connectivity.
The agenda for the session called the
"retreat" includes current regional and
international issues.
Since the schedule is tight, Mr. Aquino
has no bilateral meetings with other
leaders, but the government is open to
such meetings, Department of Foreign
Affairs spokesman Charles Jose said.
Mr. Aquino and the other leaders
would also meet with leaders of the
Asean Inter-Parliamentary Assembly
or AIPA; the representatives of the
Civil Society Organizations, and
representatives of the Asean Youth.
"We can expect that,'' Jose said in a
text message from Manila when asked
if Hanoi and Manila would be more
vocal on the conflicting claims to parts
of the South China Sea in the face of
new brushes with China.
Jose said Vietnam would "definitely"
add its voice of concern over the
dispute the two countries separately
have with China.
He added that the 10-nation bloc was
expected to issue at least a statement
of concern.
"It will be strange if that [statement]
will not come out. We can even move
forward,'' Jose told reporters on
Wednesday, adding that a stronger
statement could be worked out if
possible.
Vietnam on Wednesday accused China
of using water cannon and ramming
eight of its ships in a standoff triggered
by China's parking of a giant oil rig in
contested waters.
On the same day, Philippine police
rounded up 11 Chinese fishermen
caught poaching in waters around Half
Moan Shoal in the West Philippine Sea,
a part of the South China Sea that the
Philippines maintains is part of its
exclusive economic zone under the
United Nations Convention on the Law
of the Sea.
The planting of the oil rig off the
disputed Paracel Islands is seen by
observers as China's way of testing the
resolve of the United States in aiding
its regional partners.
In a recent four-nation swing through
Asia, US President Barack Obama
vowed to protect Japan from attack,
and reiterated his country's "ironclad''
commitment to defend the Philippines,
citing US defense treaties with both
countries.
With the fresh tensions, the territorial
disputes become a more urgent issue
for discussion at the leaders' summit
retreat on Sunday afternoon.
 

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in fact, we have already tried to cooperate with China in oil ( 1 of them are signed with Viet Nam in 1995 but step by step, China made those Oil Exploitation Plan become their own and their partners will be eliminated/ turned aside)
Take a closer look at Africa, China just want all of resources for them ! Many countries in Africa are realizing the real face of China !
 

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CCP, you are a shameful idiot by judging your post.

You are doing China no good but spread more hatred toward China
 

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