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masterofsea

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In capitalism it is the owners' money, they should be able to do whatever they feel like. If the poor brainwashed workers do not like what they get, they can go ahead and get another job anyway. The funny part is that in a capitalist system, there actually are other jobs that the poor brainwashed worker may switch to
With all company private owned,wo matter which boss the worker choose,they just get the some fate.Thet boss buy private planes with they money.

Another difference communism and democracy/ capitalism.

In the first you work for the benefit of some nebulous entity called the state, but actually you work for the benefit of the politbureau members. In the second case, the government works for you. you do not like how they work, you kick them out.
Go ahead and beat that:113:
Work for polibureau members?but the members can't get additional property except their salaries.On the contradiction,many west countries' president are business owners.

And,polibureau is the Soviet Union's way of communism.It's a way but not all way.You don't understand communism,buddy.All you know are come from your government controled by Gandhi family and their wealthy friends.
 

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With all company private owned,wo matter which boss the worker choose,they just get the some fate.Thet boss buy private planes with they money.
Again, its their money. They have invested the money and enjoy the risk and the reward. For each successful company that you see, there are tonnes that have gone down with the owners. The premium that the owners get is because they undertake the risks. As for the worker, they have the option to choose who they work for, or for setting their own business. There are tonnes of businesses in capitalist economies which have been set up by former workers in that industry

Work for polibureau members?but the members can't get additional property except their salaries.
Ok, your faith in human nature is touching. You have seriously not heard about corruption, about kickbacks that bureaucrats or public officials receive when they approve projects?

Here is an example from your own country, here the people are exhorting the CCP leaders to declare their assets, and the government is resisting.

Chinese officials urged to declare assets - upiasia.com

Your own countrymen think that prostitutes are more trustworthy than officials
Asia Times Online :: China News, China Business News, Taiwan and Hong Kong News and Business.

The point that I am trying to make is not that the Chinese are especially corrupt, but that in system lacking in transparency, which requires permission for economic activities from various levels of government, corruption and nepotism is bound to creep in. That is exactly what happened in India during the License Raj. Even now corruption in India is more rampant in areas in which the government retains control

On the contradiction,many west countries' president are business owners.
If its their own money or their family money, what's the problem?

And,polibureau is the Soviet Union's way of communism.It's a way but not all way.You don't understand communism,buddy.All you know are come from your government controled by Gandhi family and their wealthy friends.
Don't take that patronising tone with me. The Gandhi family can go screw itself for all I care. What I am talking about here is the difference between a democracy and any other authoritarian system, including all forms of communism and dictatorships, and also between centrally planned economies and free market economies.

Even if the centrally planned economies are staffed with the best of people with the best intentions, they will still lag behind the desires of the consuming populace (the market) and will result in inefficient allocation of resources.

Compare East an West Germany and North and South Korea. People with the exact same racial makeup, culture and characteristics yielded vastly different societies under different political/ economic systems
 

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In the terms of corruption,capitalism&democratic india suffers more than communism&republicanism china.




 

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^^ China, a communist country, where the people have everyright to question the owners and leaders, where the owners cant roam in mercedes when the workers cant afford it. That China has corruption?!? Fascinating contradiction! :p
 

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In the terms of corruption,capitalism&democratic india suffers more than communism&republicanism china.
It really doesn't matter, since India is certainly not a good example of a fully capitalist society. Government interference in the economic sphere is still very high.





Your map proves my point rather well. Do you realize that most of the world's most transparent and least corrupt places are liberal democracies with capitalist economies?
 

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Ukraine military hovercraft to equip Chinese navy IDRW.ORG



China’s navy is to purchase four Ukrainian military hovercraft in a 315-million-dollar deal potentially shifting the South China Sea naval balance, the Interfax news agency reported. A shipbuilding firm in Ukraine’s Black Sea port Feodosia will construct two Zubr (translation – Bison) class craft, and a second pair of vessels will be built in China under the supervision of Ukrainian technicians.

A Ukrainian government publication listing state contracts confirmed the order without giving its value. Officials at the Morye shipyard in Feodosia declined comment.

The Zubr hovercraft is designed to carry three tanks, 10 armoured personnel carriers, or as many as 500 troops at speeds exceeding 63 knots.

The vessel can due to its larger size operate in rougher seas than smaller hovercraft.

The Russian, Ukrainian, and Greek navies currently operate the Zubr, with a total ten hovercraft produced since 1988.

China’s navy currently lacks heavy capacity hovercraft of the Zubr type. The most modern Chinese naval hovercraft in operation, the Jingsah II, has a maximum capacity of 70 troops.

The Zubr hovercraft’s capacity to deliver substantial combat forces by water at speeds doubling conventional landing ships would, once in Chinese inventory, complicate defence planning for South China Sea nations particularly Taiwan, according to the report.

Feodosia’s Morye shipyard as co-developer of the Zubr hovercraft with St. Peterburg’s Almaz naval design bureau technically is banned from selling Zubr’s military technologies to a third party, without Almaz management agreement.

China in 2006 was in talks with Almaz on the purchase of six Zubr hovercraft without result.

Management at Ukraine’s Morye shipyard, actual production of site of all Zubr-class hovercraft, began talks with Chinese naval representatives in 2008, a naval source told Interfax.
 

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Chinese Ski Jump Spotted

August 12, 2009: The wonders of digital photography (on the ground and from commercial satellites) provide evidence that China is testing the use of its Su-30 aircraft and a ski ramp type carrier deck design. China is expected to have an operational carrier soon, and it will be one using a ski ramp (instead of a steam catapult). It was suspected that there was a ski ramp training facility somewhere, now it's been located, in Xian-Yanliang. What's strange about this is the altitude of this airbase; nearly 500 meters (rather than sea level.) Then again, Xian-Yanliang is a windy place, which allows testing of the stationary ski ramp built there, with winds typical of what would be encountered when the carrier turned into the wind for the commencement of aircraft launching operations.

Late last year, China announced that its first class of carrier aviators had begun training at the Dalian Naval Academy. The naval officers will undergo a four year course of instruction to turn them into fighter pilots capable of operating off a carrier. The Russians have warned China that it may take them a decade or more to develop the knowledge and skills needed to efficiently run an aircraft carrier. The Chinese are game, and are slogging forward.

Earlier this year, the Russian aircraft carrier Varyag was renamed the Shi Lang (after the Chinese general who took possession of Taiwan in 1681, the first time China ever paid any attention to the island) and given the pennant number 83. The Chinese have been refurbishing the Varyag, one of the Kuznetsov class that Russia began building in the 1980s, for several years now. It is expected to be ready for sea trials by the end of the year.

The Varyag has been tied up in a Chinese shipyard at Dailan since 2002. While the ship is under guard, it can be seen from a nearby highway. From that vantage point, local military and naval buffs have noted that some kind of work is being done on the ship. The only visible signs of this work are a new paint job (in the gray shade used by the Chinese navy) and ongoing work on the superstructure (particularly the tall island on the flight deck.) Many workers can be seen on the ship, and material is seen going into (new stuff) and out of (old stuff) the ship. The new contracts are believed to be for more equipment for the Varyag, in addition to the non-custom stuff already going into the ship.

Originally the Kuznetsovs were conceived of as 90,000 ton, nuclear powered ships, similar to American carriers (complete with steam catapults). Instead, because of the cost, and the complexity of modern (American style) carriers, the Russians were forced to scale back their goals, and ended up with the 65,000 ton (full load ) ships that lacked steam catapults, and used a ski jump type flight deck instead. Nuclear power was dropped, but the Kuznetsov class was still a formidable design. The thousand foot long carrier normally carries a dozen navalized Su-27s (called Su-33s), 14 Ka-27PL anti-submarine helicopters, two electronic warfare helicopters and two search and rescue helicopters. But the ship can carry up to 36 Su-33s and sixteen helicopters. The ship carries 2,500 tons of aviation fuel, allowing it to generate 500-1,000 aircraft and helicopter sorties. Crew size is 2,500 (or 3,000 with a full aircraft load.) Only two ships of this class exist; the original Kuznetsov, which is in Russian service, and the Varyag. Currently, the Kuznetsov is operating in the Mediterranean.

The Chinese have been in touch with Russian naval construction firms, and may have purchased plans and technology for equipment installed in the Kuznetsov. Some Chinese leaders have quipped about having a carrier by 2010 (this would have to be a refurbished Varyag). Even that would be an ambitious schedule, and the Chinese have been burned before when they tried to build new military technology in a hurry.

Naval Air: Chinese Ski Jump Spotted
 

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I am surprised that there is anamosity regarding this hot line. Why? Is it not a precautionair thing to have. We should have one with Pakistan also.
 
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what good is a hotline with a country that has proliferated nukes to your neighbor?
 

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I am surprised that there is anamosity regarding this hot line. Why? Is it not a precautionair thing to have. We should have one with Pakistan also.
You are mistaking incredulity for animosity :D

No problem in having one, just wondering what good it would do...
 

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what good is a hotline with a country that has proliferated nukes to your neighbor?
May be to confirm about any future proliferation of nukes/missiles/technology or any planned ingressions into Arunachal? :wink:
 

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"China won't sacrifice its sovereignty in exchange for friendship. Therefore, India should not have any illusions with regards to this issue."

Likewise midgets !
Who are you calling midgets? Before you make your insults, you best look up whose actually taller. Perhaps then you'll eat your own words.
 

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Who are you calling midgets? Before you make your insults, you best look up whose actually taller. Perhaps then you'll eat your own words.
The intellectually challenged persons who write such confrontational rubbish for home consumption. You have a problem with that? Can we call them braindead instead?

And before you comment, yes we have intellectual midgests on our side too. You are welcome to call them out if you see such articles from Indian journos
 

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athe answer to the potential china threat is not difficult and DRDO knows that

boost the missile numnbers and nukes .....defemding is easier thatn attackuiing ...... missiles is the way ....look at mnorth korea and the amount of scare they arouse eith their missile porogramme ..... why bcos the whole world knows they have the guts t o use it and india ?? do they have they guts ....ithnk they do but needs to be more convincing to the sea-hinks
 

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boost the missile numnbers and nukes .....defemding is easier thatn attackuiing ...... missiles is the way ....look at mnorth korea and the amount of scare they arouse eith their missile porogramme ..... why bcos the whole world knows they have the guts t o use it and india ?? do they have they guts ....ithnk they do but needs to be more convincing to the sea-hinks

What are you mumbling about. Does India have the guts or not. A nuclear war is Nuclear war, it is a deterent and a final use policy.

Your analogy to North Korea to India is plain stupidity, based on guts. North Korea is no where to being macho, they are launching these missiles to show to pontential rogue customers we have the capabilities if you want to buy. It is a bankrupt country where only large sales comes from rogue nation in buying there shit for nothing defence industry arsenal.
 

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nsg - you sure you believe them , saying that they do not see india as a rival ? i dont , it goes against their beliefs for centuries. Its another trick just as hinid chini bhai in 1962, dont fall for it
 

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The Hindu : News / International : All eyes on Chinese party meet

China’s eyes are trained on the proceedings of the ruling Communist Party’s annual meeting where the clearest indication yet of who the next President will be is expected.

China’s leaders are meeting in Beijing this week in a regular plenary session of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), where 204 members of its Central Committee usually deliberate on policy. This year’s meeting has attracted more than the usual attention as among the announcements expected is the promotion of Vice-President Xi Jinping to the influential Central Military Commission.

His expected appointment as the vice-chairman of the Commission, which is at present headed by President Hu Jintao, will all but confirm Mr. Xi’s succession after Mr. Hu’s term expires in 2013, analysts say.

The CCP’s inner politics can often be opaque, and analysts usually rely on past patterns of appointments to determine routes of succession. Mr. Hu’s induction into the powerful military commission in 1999 was read by many as the final step in his rise up party ranks before he took over from Jiang Zemin in 2003.

Mr. Xi (56) is regarded as the sixth most powerful figure in China — he is the sixth ranked politician in the CCP’s Politburo Standing Committee, the country’s most powerful decision-making body. He has generally kept a low profile during the tenure of Mr. Hu and little is known about his politics.

He previously served as a party leader in Shanghai, and his leadership there has, in some circles, earned him a reputation for backing liberal policies and more aggressive market reforms.

There were rumours in Beijing’s political circles earlier this year that Mr. Xi’s business interests and reputation for favouring greater liberalisation had raised concerns about his appointment among some sections of the party. There is a growing debate within the leadership on continuing the rapid opening up the economy has seen since reforms were launched in 1978 in light of rising inequalities and following the impact of the global financial crisis.

The other contender to the post is Li Keqiang, Vice-Premier, who enjoys a much closer relationship with Mr. Hu. Mr. Li is widely regarded as Mr. Hu’s protégé and was once considered the likelier successor, but Mr. Xi’s appointment as Vice-President in 2008 confirmed his higher position in the pecking order. Mr. Xi was seen by some as a consensus choice following reported opposition among some sections of the party to Mr. Hu handpicking his own successor.

Mr. Li is expected to succeed Wen Jiabao in the less important post of Premier in 2013.

Mr. Xi comes from an illustrious political family. His father Xi Zhongxun is regarded by the party as a revolutionary hero. A former army veteran, he played a role in the party’s rise to power in 1949. He, however, fell out of Mao Zedong’s favour in the early 1960s, and was later a vocal critic of the CCP’s handling of the Tiananmen Square student protests in 1989.

If Mr. Xi’s appointment does come through during the meetings which run until Friday, China may soon be in the unusual situation of having a First Lady who is a bigger household name than its President: Mr. Xi’s wife, Peng Liyuan, is a well-known folk singer in China and a regular performer at national events.
 

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