Chinese military aviation including J10

[bhramos]

J-11C Silent Flanker

it was roaming on net is this true or its a Russian Fighter???

 

[bhramos]

J-11C Silent Flanker

it was roaming on net is this true or its a Russian Fighter???

 

[redragon]

Thursday, December 31, 2009
Update on the J-11B Project.

Recently surfaced photos indicate that the WS-10A turbofan engine is now operational with the J-11B heavy fighter.

According to the PLAAF 60th Anniversary Warplane Show, the J-11B conducted its maiden flight on December 2003 and entered service with the 1st PLAAF Fighter Division on December 2007. The initial batch of the J-11B was powered by the imported Russian AL-31F turbofans engine instead of the delayed WS-10A.

In addition to the engine, the J-11B differs from the J-11A in other areas; it features a new quadruple-redundant digital fly-by-wire flight system with mechanical backup, a new multimode pulse Doppler radar for indigenous armaments against land/sea/air targets, and a new cost of composite material to reduce weight. It's redesigned cockpit is equipped with a new set of instruments ranging from a holographic HUD, four LCD MDFs, to a new missile warning system.

These are the right pics for this article, J-11bs with FWS-10A are in service

 

[qilaotou]

Poor China haters! They are going to get disappointed time and time again by hearing about China's progresses.

 

[jakojako777]

China's Jian-10 lost to MiG -29

Insider Jie Mi:

F-10 fighter sales to Taiwan are defeated Myanmar Mai city?
2009-12-29

Why did the mighty of the F-10 will lose a close neighbor of Myanmar, on their own do? In fact, apart from quick success in marketing outside of Russia, China's own problems can not be ignored, so far despite a "very favorable conditions" is also difficult in the end to win. Insider Jiemi truth is as follows:

First, despite the media hype is China's Jian-10 lost to MiG -29, in fact, if no accident, then this message should be mistaken, that is, China should aggressively marketing to a FC-1 rather than the F-10 itself, but the MiG -29 on improving in terms of, FC-1 naturally a bit "backward", not in line with the needs of the Air Force of Myanmar, and for F-10 itself is concerned, even if China wants to sell in the short term also were unable to produce sales, which has caused a "F-10 sales to the distant," can not meet the practical interest of Myanmar, while the MiG -29 is the real, of course, choose to Myanmar, the Russian product.

Second, Russia has tried to belittle the Chinese fighter, while the main attack directed against Russia will be the engine of production and threatened to Myanmar, the Chinese fighter, both F-10 or FC-1 Russia can not be a reliable engine protection, thus, Myanmar, natural would not choose the engine can not be "reliable rescue" of the Chinese fighter.

Third, as a second-generation warplanes, Myanmar has a large number of purchase of Chinese-made F-7 fighters, and for third-generation fighters, while Burma has MiG -29 fighters there are plenty of user experience (Russia in 2001 sold to Myanmar -29 MiG-12 fighter), but very strange for China's new J10 fighter, even though the performance is very advanced, far more than J-7, J-8 series, but not familiar with the technical environment, it takes time to combat the natural form, not as good as m Georgia -29 faster. In addition, China's advanced fighters do not have actual combat experience, which is also a greater difference between MiG fighter jets.

Of course, the integration of Myanmar, taking into consideration the final check of the Russian fighters, it is not surprising.


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[qilaotou]

J-10 has never been offered to anyone. It's a wishful thinking that J-10 would ever lose a sell chance to Mig29. Mig 35 maybe.
Now WS-10A engine is on J-10B for testing. If everything goes well J-10X will be exported after 2013 to selected countries like Pakistan.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

WS-10A or whatever you decide to rename it ,will always be a flop that it was meant to be ;no matter how many times you rename it; this engine is not going to fly any pile of junk you call a plane.

 

[SATISH]

The major problem of the WS series of engines are the long time taken for it to reach the thrust required in times of quick acceleration. The Chinese were never able to solve the problems as the Russians never gave most of their secrets to countries at the time of ToT. We on the other hand have been offered its total technology. The Russians and the soviets had learnt about the Chinese intention as soon as the MiG 21 was reverse engineered fully and started competing in the international market against itself with a name called J 7. This pissed off the Russians and after that they stopped giving you the most required technology which you were deprived after the Tianamen incident. Now you are stuck in a very complex situation and have to face the harsh reality of the designing of the engine and finding out where you went wrong. Th WS 10A is a engine that incorporates the best of both worlds but now the problem arises how to integrate both to achieve the required results.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

ws-10 started in 1986, with every failure the chinese renamed it a different number or added a letter but it never achieved the results they wanted, most other nations would have abandoned this project by now. The chinese booasted that ws-10 would be better than AL-31 but they have not been able to come close yet even with some reported russian consultation during the 90's.

 

[Sridhar]

China To Fit Attack Helo With European Engine

BY : Defense news

China is outfitting a new attack helicopter with a European engine despite export restrictions put in place after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. The move comes as European officials push hard for lifting restrictions on defense exports to China.
China’s new Harbin Z9WE attack helicopter is being outfitted with two Arriel 2C turboshaft engines, according to a brochure distributed by China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corp. (CATIC) at the 2010 Singapore Airshow.
The Safran Group’s Turbomeca firm, which developed the engines, granted licenses for production to China several years ago. Chinese factories have produced more than 200 Arriel 2Cs for use on utility and transport helicopters, a Turbomeca spokeswoman said.
Turbomeca’s China business goes back decades. One older engine, the Arriel 1, has been built there under license for more than 30 years. In the past nine years, the Arriel 2B1A has been licensed for installation on the Changhe Z11 utility helicopter, and the Arriel 2C licensed for the H410A military helicopter and its VIP-transport variant, H425, according to the company’s Web site.
“All our Turbomeca engines assembled in China have the necessary export approvals,” the Turbomeca spokeswoman said.
The Z9WE is an updated version of the Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corp.’s Z9G attack helicopter, which flies on a pair of the Chinese-designed WZ8A turboshaft engines.
The new helicopter can carry an assortment of indigenously produced weapons: HJ-8 Red Arrow anti-tank missiles, 57-1 rocket launchers, 23-II cannons and 12.7mm machine guns, “which are enhanced by advanced fire-control system.” It also has a sophisticated day/night targeting turret and advanced avionics and mission equipment, the brochure said.
This is not the first time that a Chinese promotional brochure has revealed that a foreign engine is going aboard a military helicopter.
In 2007, a Changhe Aircraft brochure on its then-new Z10 attack helicopters listed the power plant as the PT6C-67C engine manufactured by Pratt & Whitney Canada. The engine had been diverted from a civilian to a military aircraft.
Privately, U.S. officials are concerned that the civil EC175 medium-lift helicopter, which Eurocopter co-developed with China, could be put to military use.
One U.S. official in Paris noted that Eurocopter armed its EC145 to compete in the U.S. Armed Aerial Scout competition, and that China converted the company’s Dauphin helicopter for submarine-hunting missions.
Another example is the Eurocopter EC120 Colibri Hummingbird, a single-engine light helicopter funded by China, France and Singapore and developed by a list of companies that includes CATIC, Eurocopter, Harbin and Singapore Technologies Aerospace. China now produces an HC120 variant of the Hummingbird for military training and police surveillance.


http://idrw.org/?p=440#more-440

 

[kuku]

The Chinese helicopter is euro-copter dauphin's Chinese built armed version, if the Euro ppl did not have any problems with them turning their design into a Attack Helicopter, why would they have a problem with PRC installing their engine into it.

Chinese industry is sophisticated enough to copy the engine and continue with production if they are put under a ban, might as well sell while they can and earn some money.

 

[nitesh]

cross posting:

http://www.8ak.in/8ak_india_defence_news/2010/05/china-tries-to-hide-j10-fighter-crashes.html

10 May 2010 8ak: On April 13, in the port city of Tianjin about 130- KM away from Beijing, China showed off its 4th Generation J-10 aircraft to military attaches of about 50 countries it could possibly export to. 9 days later as per Strategy page reports it was running to cover up the 2nd crash of the J-10 fighter that became public in the last two years.

The 22 April crash became public because a senior colonel had died in the crash and the funeral became too big to keep the story hushed. The news report also claims that the design of the 200-odd J-10s produced has not worked out as desired by its developers.

The crash and doubts over its design also comes as a set back to Pakistan, which was hoping to buy 36 J-10 in a deal worth US$1.4 billion has also been concluded reports China's English Peoples Daily. In the past it has exported fighter aircraft to Iran, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Pakistan. However, the pitfalls of reverse engineering without paying royalty and truly understanding the technology are high accident rates, a fact that China has hushed up with its lack of media freedom.

The first flight of the J-10 begun took place in 1998. It is the most advanced 4th Generation aircraft to be built by China. However, Fighter-Planes.com reports the development of J-10 has proven to be torturous. The prototype was rumoured to have first flown in 1996, but the project suffered a serious setback in late 1997 when the 02 prototype lost control and crashed, as the result of certain system failure, presumably with either the FBW system or the engine.

If the reports pertaining to the faulty design of the fourth generation fighter are serious enough, it will put the Chinese plans to replace the obsolete J-7 fighter and Q-5 attack aircraft in a limbo. With 2,000 combat aircraft China has the 3rd largest air force in the world.

 

[nandu]

Chinese naval J-11s spotted in the open

Images taken on 4 May of the tarmac outside the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation factory showed that navy-coloured J-11s were being produced.

In early May Chinese military websites featured images outside the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation factory indicating that new single- and twin-seat J-11 fighters are probably being produced for the People's Liberation Army Navy Air Force (PLANAF).

The images showed J-11s in a very light grey livery consistent with the PLANAF's Sukhoi Su-30MKK2 fighters, 24 (one regiment) of which were delivered in 2004. The single-seat fighters reportedly have the designation J-11BH, a new variant of the J-11B, which in turn is Shenyang's significantly modified version of Sukhoi's Su-27SK that Shenyang began co-producing after a 1998 agreement. These will be accompanied by a version of the twin-seat J-11BS, identifiable in the recent images by its taller twin vertical stabilisers. In PLANAF service this aircraft will reportedly be designated the J-11BSH.

China's appropriation of Sukhoi's design – without contract or compensation – has resulted in considerable unease among Russian officials, who have also repeatedly expressed their scepticism as to whether China could copy the Su-27SK or go on to produce improved versions, such as a carrier-capable variant.

http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdw/jdw100510_2_n.shtml

 

[bhramos]

Chinese naval J-11s spotted in the open

A British magazine said on Monday that new Chinese single- and twin-seat J-11 fighters are probably being produced for the People's Liberation Army Navy Air Force (PLANAF).
According to Jane's Defence Weekly, some pictures posted this month on Chinese military websites showed J-11s outside the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation factory.
The J-11s are in a very light grey livery consistent with the PLANAF's Sukhoi Su-30MKK2 fighters, 24 (one regiment) of which were delivered in 2004, Jane's said.
The single-seat fighters, a new variant of the J-11B and designated as J-11BH, are the modified version of Sukhoi's Su-27SK. A version of the twin-seat J-11BS, which will reportedly be called J-11BSH in PLANAF service, can also be seen in these pictures, the magazine added.
Russia had expressed dissatisfaction on China's "appropriation" of Sukhoi's design, and Moscow also expressed doubt about whether China could copy the Su-27SK or go on to produce improved versions.
The J-11B has a slightly lighter airframe than the Russian original, and there is speculation that the J-11B is possibly made by greater use of composites, and new Chinese-designed radar.
Chinese-designed air-to-air missiles like the radar-guided Luoyang PL-12 are also equipped on the J-11B. There are also some indications that the J-11B may soon be equipped with a new Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar that is also likely to be used by the new Chengdu J-10B.
Recent images also suggest that the PLA Air Force J-11Bs may receive the Chinese-designed Shenyang WS-10A Taihang high-performance turbofan, which has been a major objective for China's aerospace sector since the 1990s.
It is not clear if the new J-11s will take the place of China's older Shenyang J-8B/D fighters. Compared with the J-8, J-11BH can provide PLANAF a new platform with significantly greater combat potential.
The PLANAF J-11s will probably have a potent anti-ship capability to supplement the army's five regiments of Xian JH-7/A strike fighters.

http://idrw.org/?p=1628#more-1628

 

[Armand2REP]

Pictures or it never happened.................

 

[nandu]

Chinese Navy Obtains Illegal Aircraft

Chinese Navy Obtains Illegal Aircraft

May 16, 2010: Satellite photos recently revealed that the Chinese Navy has received J-11 jet fighters. These are illegal Chinese copies of the Russian Su-27. This plagiarism has been a source of friction between Russia and China for over five years. It all began, legally, in 1995, when China paid $2.5 billion for the right to build 200 Su-27s. Russia would supply engines and electronics, with China building the other components according to Russian plans and specifications. But after 95 of the Chinese built aircraft were built, Russia cancelled the agreement. They claimed that China was using the knowledge acquired with this Su-27 program, to build their own copy of the Su-27, the J-11. Russia kept the piracy issue quiet, and warned the Chinese that simply copying Russian technology would produce an inferior aircraft. Apparently the Chinese did not agree, and are continuing their work on the J-11, using only, what they claim is, Chinese technology.

The J-11 is believed to now include better electronics and some other Chinese design modifications. China can manufacture most of the components of the J-11, the one major element it must import are the engines. China believes it will be free from dependence on Russia for military jet engines within the next 5-10 years. Currently, China imports two Russian engines, the $3.5 million AL-31 (for the Su-27/30, J-11, J-10) and the $2.5 million RD-93 (a version of the MiG-29s RD-33) for the JF-17 (a F-16 type aircraft developed in cooperation with Pakistan.)

Meanwhile, Chinese engineers have managed to master most of the manufacturing techniques needed to make a Chinese copy of the Russian AL31F engine. This Chinese copy, the WS10A, was part of a program that has also developed the WS-13, to replace the RD-93. China has long copied foreign technology, not always successfully. But in the last decade, China has poured much money into developing a jet engine manufacturing capability. The Chinese encountered many of the same problems as the Russians did when developing their own engine design and construction skills. But China has several advantages. First, they know of the mistakes the Russians had made, and so were able to avoid many of them. Then there was the fact that China had better access to Western manufacturing technology (both legally and illegally). Finally, China was, unlike the Soviets, able to develop their engine manufacturing capabilities in a market economy. This was much more efficient than the command economy that the Soviets were saddled with for seven decades.

The navy already has a regiment of 24 Su-30s (an advanced version of the Su-27), so they have experience with this type . The J-11s will apparently join the Su-30s in defending Chinese naval bases. Some Chinese designed J-10s have also been spotted in navy colors. The navy's offensive airpower comes in the form of J-8s (a two engine version of the MiG-21, which is no good as a fighter, but proved adequate as a bomber) and even older copies of Russian bombers. The J-11 can also be equipped with anti-ship missiles, and may eventually replace the J-8 and other missile carrying naval aircraft.

The J-8 is an 18 ton, two engine, variant of the MiG-21. This was China's first attempt at building their own aircraft design. But it was not a very original or successful effort. The J-8 first flew in 1969, and didn't get into service until 1980. It was quickly realized that this was a turkey. Fewer than 400 were built. The F-8 carries about three tons of bombs, and is not very maneuverable. China decided to make the most of it, and used the J-8 as a reconnaissance and electronic warfare aircraft. Thus the navy adopted it as well. It was a J-8 that collided with an American EP-3 reconnaissance aircraft off the coast in 2001. The J-8 made the mistake of maneuvering too close to the much slower (propeller driven) EP-3, and crashed. The EP-3 survived and made an emergency landing in China, kicking off months of diplomatic tension.

The J-11 is a continuation of the J-8 effort, but using more modern technology, and three decades of experience building warplanes. Russian concerns about Chinese inexperience are unfounded. The Chinese have a track record in this area, and the J-11 is apparently the best locally manufactured combat aircraft they have yet produced. With the growing Chinese skill in building jet engines, China has entered the big leagues of warplane manufacturing.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnavai/articles/20100516.aspx

 

[nandu]

Fc-1 aka JF-17 powered by WS-13 engine carries Taxi Trials

According to Chinese media ,FC-1 (local Chinese name for JF-17) has recently carried out successful taxi trials powered by a Chinese made WS-13 engine ,currently first batch of 40 aircraft which will be supplied to Pakistan are powered by Russian Klimov RD-93B turbofans, while WS-13 has 10% greater thrust but is also having Quality issues with the turbine blades . Next batch of JF-17 which will be build in Pakistan will have this Chinese engine and same will be offered to export market , Chinese are already working on an improved engine which again will have further thrust .

http://idrw.org/?p=1859#more-1859

 

[Armand2REP]

IDRW needs to quit repeating CCP tripe and stick with India.

 

[badguy2000]

Chinese Navy Obtains Illegal Aircraft

May 16, 2010: Satellite photos recently revealed that the Chinese Navy has received J-11 jet fighters. These are illegal Chinese copies of the Russian Su-27. This plagiarism has been a source of friction between Russia and China for over five years. It all began, legally, in 1995, when China paid $2.5 billion for the right to build 200 Su-27s. Russia would supply engines and electronics, with China building the other components according to Russian plans and specifications. But after 95 of the Chinese built aircraft were built, Russia cancelled the agreement. They claimed that China was using the knowledge acquired with this Su-27 program, to build their own copy of the Su-27, the J-11. Russia kept the piracy issue quiet, and warned the Chinese that simply copying Russian technology would produce an inferior aircraft. Apparently the Chinese did not agree, and are continuing their work on the J-11, using only, what they claim is, Chinese technology.

The J-11 is believed to now include better electronics and some other Chinese design modifications. China can manufacture most of the components of the J-11, the one major element it must import are the engines. China believes it will be free from dependence on Russia for military jet engines within the next 5-10 years. Currently, China imports two Russian engines, the $3.5 million AL-31 (for the Su-27/30, J-11, J-10) and the $2.5 million RD-93 (a version of the MiG-29s RD-33) for the JF-17 (a F-16 type aircraft developed in cooperation with Pakistan.)

Meanwhile, Chinese engineers have managed to master most of the manufacturing techniques needed to make a Chinese copy of the Russian AL31F engine. This Chinese copy, the WS10A, was part of a program that has also developed the WS-13, to replace the RD-93. China has long copied foreign technology, not always successfully. But in the last decade, China has poured much money into developing a jet engine manufacturing capability. The Chinese encountered many of the same problems as the Russians did when developing their own engine design and construction skills. But China has several advantages. First, they know of the mistakes the Russians had made, and so were able to avoid many of them. Then there was the fact that China had better access to Western manufacturing technology (both legally and illegally). Finally, China was, unlike the Soviets, able to develop their engine manufacturing capabilities in a market economy. This was much more efficient than the command economy that the Soviets were saddled with for seven decades.

The navy already has a regiment of 24 Su-30s (an advanced version of the Su-27), so they have experience with this type . The J-11s will apparently join the Su-30s in defending Chinese naval bases. Some Chinese designed J-10s have also been spotted in navy colors. The navy's offensive airpower comes in the form of J-8s (a two engine version of the MiG-21, which is no good as a fighter, but proved adequate as a bomber) and even older copies of Russian bombers. The J-11 can also be equipped with anti-ship missiles, and may eventually replace the J-8 and other missile carrying naval aircraft.

The J-8 is an 18 ton, two engine, variant of the MiG-21. This was China's first attempt at building their own aircraft design. But it was not a very original or successful effort. The J-8 first flew in 1969, and didn't get into service until 1980. It was quickly realized that this was a turkey. Fewer than 400 were built. The F-8 carries about three tons of bombs, and is not very maneuverable. China decided to make the most of it, and used the J-8 as a reconnaissance and electronic warfare aircraft. Thus the navy adopted it as well. It was a J-8 that collided with an American EP-3 reconnaissance aircraft off the coast in 2001. The J-8 made the mistake of maneuvering too close to the much slower (propeller driven) EP-3, and crashed. The EP-3 survived and made an emergency landing in China, kicking off months of diplomatic tension.

The J-11 is a continuation of the J-8 effort, but using more modern technology, and three decades of experience building warplanes. Russian concerns about Chinese inexperience are unfounded. The Chinese have a track record in this area, and the J-11 is apparently the best locally manufactured combat aircraft they have yet produced. With the growing Chinese skill in building jet engines, China has entered the big leagues of warplane manufacturing.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnavai/articles/20100516.aspx

what a the created new word" illegal weapons"...hahahahah

 

[nandu]

L-15 LIFT version Rolled out of Assembly Line

The first prototype of L-15 advanced jet trainer version rolled out of the assembly line on September 29, 2005 but first flight was postphoned to early 2006 due to the problems of AI-222-25.

* L-15 advanced jet trainer's first prototype flew for the first time on March 13, 2006.
* L-15 advanced jet trainer's prototype 03 made its first flight on May 10, 2008 while it was still powered by AI-222-25 turbofan with no afterburner.
* Prototype 05 first flew on June 8, 2009.

Development of lead-in fighter trainer (LIFT) version of L-15 has suffered from the slow development of AI-222-25F engine with afterbuner.

L-15 lead-in fighter trainer (LIFT) version equipped with AI-222-25F engine has rolled out of the assembly line (06 prototype) and will soon be flight tested.

Specifications of L-15:

Crew: 2

Length: 12.27 m
Wingspan: 9.48 m
Height: 4.81 m
NTO weight: 6,500kg
MTO weight 9,500kg
Max speed 1.4 Mach
Max climb rate 150m/s
G-load +8/-3
Ceiling 16,000m
Structural life 10,000 hr
Powerplant: 2× Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F afterburning turbofans

http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2010/06/l-15-lift-version-rolled-out-of.html