Chinese Jasmine Revolution Spreads Online

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This will NEVER happen in India.

I think we should give free citizenship and invite those protester to our country.
 

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If there is a revolution in China, who know what will emerge.

It is better to have relations with whatever exist since the stand of each is known.

As the saying goes - a known enemy is better than an unknown friend.
 

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China goes all out to halt Jasmine Revolution
http://www.mysinchew.com/node/53764

After Protest Video, U.S. Envoy's Name Censored Online
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2011/02/24/after-protest-video-u-s-envoys-name-censored-online/

More Jasmine for China?
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/bric-yard/more-jasmine-china

China clamping down to prevent Mideast-style protests
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/23/AR2011022307042.html

China files subversion charges against Internet users who spread call to protest
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ca...qM5gzIks_09YTIu5-0P3DFpxNCHnFOA?docId=6047719

Calls for democracy, freedom rattle China
http://www.domain-b.com/economy/worldeconomy/20110221_democracy.html
 

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After Twitter, LinkedIn Now Also Blocked In China






It appears that LinkedIn has been blocked in China, after the professional social network became a platform for organizing anti-government protests. The report was first noted by Renmedia.


According to the WSJ article, protesters are moving from various social network sites, such as Twitter and LinkedIn, to organize protests as the Chinese government blocks these sites. We checked out access to LinkedIn on both WebsitePulse and JustPing and both sites indicate that LinkedIn is being blocked from cities in China. It also appears that Twitter is blocked as well.



Interestingly, former LinkedIn employee Surya Yalamanchili points out that one reason behind why China could be blocking LinkedIn is because many of its status updates have been published from Twitter.
We've contacted LinkedIn for comment on the matter.


UPDATE: Here's the response we received from LinkedIn: We are aware of the reports of a disruption to our service for our members in China. We are looking into the situation now.
 

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Most amusing Indeed.

This is what it says:

The website anti-CNN came into being because of the western media reporting about the Lhasa riots. Here is a post from the anti-CNN BBS about some western media coverage of the so-called Jasmine Revolution in China. It is actually not difficult to find these fake photos. You being with a suspicious-looking photo (e.g. people marching down on a major thoroughfare when it is known that the Jasmine Revolution demonstrations were sparsely attended gatherings in front of McDonald's or Starbucks), you use a photo-identification site such as TinEye and you've scored again!

So, it is a POST from anti CNN, right?

Anti CNN is in Europe?

At least Zonaeuropa is HONEST enough to post news from posts in China.

Any such honestly displayed in China?
 

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Most amusing Indeed.

This is what it says:

The website anti-CNN came into being because of the western media reporting about the Lhasa riots. Here is a post from the anti-CNN BBS about some western media coverage of the so-called Jasmine Revolution in China. It is actually not difficult to find these fake photos. You being with a suspicious-looking photo (e.g. people marching down on a major thoroughfare when it is known that the Jasmine Revolution demonstrations were sparsely attended gatherings in front of McDonald's or Starbucks), you use a photo-identification site such as TinEye and you've scored again!

So, it is a POST from anti CNN, right?

Anti CNN is in Europe?

At least Zonaeuropa is HONEST enough to post news from posts in China.

Any such honestly displayed in China?
the links to the actual articles are there so not sure what your point is.
 

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My point is that it is a post from anti CNN, and anti CNN is of China.

The honesty of not being afraid of the truth is that they (Zonaeuropa) are reporting a post of anti CNN of China and giving the Chinese side of the Jasmine Revolution.

In China, do they publish anti China news, especially those that show the Chinese Political System as a lie?
 

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My point is that it is a post from anti CNN, and anti CNN is of China.

The honesty of not being afraid of the truth is that they (Zonaeuropa) are reporting a post of anti CNN of China and giving the Chinese side of the Jasmine Revolution.

In China, do they publish anti China news, especially those that show the Chinese Political System as a lie?
what do you mean political system is a lie?

this sounds more like a side step than anything else. this topic is about Chinese Jasmine Revolution. here there is examples of western media misleading pics once again.
 

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what do you mean political system is a lie?

this sounds more like a side step than anything else. this topic is about Chinese Jasmine Revolution. here there is examples of western media misleading pics once again.
Not sidestepping, but in response to your comment of how amusing the western media is, in that they publish falsehood! :wave:

The 'misleading pictures' comments are of the Post by the Chinese. :wink: :wink:

The western media makes it out that the Communist system and the actions of the Chinese Govt is based on lies, falsehood, disinformation and total skulduggery. As examples, the Bamboo Curtain stories in the Readers Digest and so is the actions against Liu Xiabo etc etc indicative of the same.

Now, does the Peoples' Daily publish the anti China news as portrayed in the western media calling China as an edifice pillared on lies, falsehood, disinformation and total skulduggery?

Zoneeuropa has published the Chinese posts showing that the Jasmine Revolution, as reported by the western media, is false and lies!
 
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Not sidestepping, but in response to your comment of how amusing the western media is, in that they publish falsehood!

The 'misleading pictures' comments are of the Post by the Chinese.

The western media makes it out that the Communist system and the actions of the Chinese Govt is based on lies, falsehood, disinformation and total skulduggery. The Bamboo Curtain stories in the Readers Digest and so is the actions against Liu Xiabo etc etc indicative of the same.

Now, does the Peoples' Daily publish the anti China news as portrayed in the western media calling China as an edifice pillared on lies, falsehood, disinformation and total skulduggery?

Zoneeuropa has published the Chinese posts showing that the Jasmine Revolution, as reported by the western media, is false and lies!
if you mean do chinese media mention how western media accuse China of all sorts of things of course. Liu isnt a story because he is important in China. its because the rest of the world made it such a big deal. there is no story without the other sides accusations of w/e.
 

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we all heard of Huawei and the US? they reject on concerns of National Security.

"Huawei has long been badgered by the claim that it is backed by the Chinese government, an accusation that has exerted ruinous effects on the company's acquisitions of foreign companies." that is pure western attack right?


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-02/26/content_12081355.htm

talked about right there.


in this article:

"The company rejected what it said were untrue allegations that it has ties to China's military, receives improper Chinese government financial support or is a threat to American national security."

again, even ties to Chinese military? that is western attack.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-02/25/content_12075890.htm

mentioned, right there.
 

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if you mean do chinese media mention how western media accuse China of all sorts of things of course. Liu isnt a story because he is important in China. its because the rest of the world made it such a big deal. there is no story without the other sides accusations of w/e.
I mean what I have said.

You are merely obfuscating and enveloping it with a smokescreen.

I mean - Does the Peoples Daily (not blogs) publish news that is carried in the western media, for example, the western media stories that the Chinese system is repressive and that there is no freedom in China?

For instance:

What Has NOT Changed in China?

An Analysis of the Chinese One-Party Dictatorship

The Epoch Times
October 12, 2009
By Professor Li Dong Oct 12, 2009

Exactly 60 years ago, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) came to power after a bloody civil war and established the "People's Republic" of China. The CCP was able to win the civil war because most Chinese people were disappointed with the legitimate Guomindang government, a corrupt and undemocratic regime, and the CCP made wonderful promises. Two of them were especially appealing: The first is the promise of land reform, made to the peasantry who made up 0ver 80% of the population. The second is the promise of democracy, made particularly to the better educated urban people.

What happened to both of these promises?

Land Reform and Famine

Immediately after the CCP gained control of the mainland, it introduced a nation-wide land reform. This was a violent campaign which killed millions of country gentry and annihilated the entire landowning class. Anyway, peasants got their land, right? Wrong. Hardly had the land reform been concluded, when the CCP launched its Soviet-styled agricultural collectivization drive.

Peasants were forced to give up their newly-acquired land to agricultural co-operatives and people's communes, and thus began their 30-year socialist ordeal; during 1959-1962 at least 36 million peasants died of starvation in a nation-wide famine. This worst famine in human history was caused entirely by Mao Zedong's lunatic economic adventurism called the Great Leap Forward. It is therefore quite legitimate to contend that the promise of "Land to the tiller" was a big lie and the CCP had betrayed Chinese peasantry.

Then, what of the promise of democracy?

Promise of Democracy a Lie

A study of China's history after 1949 shows it was another big lie, with the CCP betraying the Chinese people, who had believed and backed the Party in its drawn-out bid for power. It was interesting to note that when the Government of the People's Republic of China was first formed in 1949, it did include some nominal figureheads who were not CCP members. Three out of the country's six vice premiers were non-CCP members. All were middle-of-roaders and fellow travelers. But each of them vanished without fanfare, until 1956 when every vice premier was CCP members; even nominal figureheads were no longer tolerated.

Today a superficial scan of China's Governance arrangements would show that China has what we call the super structure of a modern state – it has a legislature, an executive branch and even a judiciary system, similar to the United States. Let us, however, look a little more closely at each of these. more ...
http://www.arnie.net/china.shtml
I believe that Yuezhi Zhao, Assistant Professor of Communication at Simon Fraser University, Canada, wrote in 2003 that The Epoch Times website and The Epoch Times group of newspapers had "grown into one of the largest Chinese-language news websites and newspaper groups outside China in the past two years, with local editions in more than thirty U.S. states, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Indonesia, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and major Western European countries." It claims a circulation of 100,000 in the United States, and more than 1 million worldwide in 2009; it is unaudited in some places.

Will this find a place in Peoples daily?
 

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to add some heat to your interesting and meaningful discussion


In an interview by a Hong Kong based-editor, Liu said that Chinese people's tragedy is not caused by "several fatuous emperors," but "every Chinese person", since the Chinese people created a system that caused their own tragedy.

Liu said that China needed to be a colony for 300 years to have a "real change". He then said that knowledge levels have nothing to do with academic degrees and most Chinese university students and graduate students were "garbage".

Liu showed great respect and praise for the Western political, economic and cultural systems. "I don't care you call me a traitor or a patriot. If you say I am a traitor, then I am. I am the ungrateful child digging out the graves of his ancestors, and I am proud of being such a child," he said.

Liu said that the Chinese people "are totally weak both physically and psychologically," and "have no creativity." He thought that was due to "the race".

Liu said he felt ashamed of being Chinese and that if his English were better he would cut his ties with China. He even felt ashamed to mention the word "China". He even said that China should be separated into 18 regions.


Since the mid-1990s, Liu Xiaobo began working for the Democratic China magazine, financed by the National Endowment for Democracy, which is funded by the US government, and has been paid regularly. Aboluowang.com, an overseas news website, published an article saying Liu's salary was $23,004, or 157,600 yuan, according to the exchange rate at that time. Even while he is in prison, Liu got 13,000 yuan every month.

In addition, Liu made money by writing articles for overseas media, criticizing the Chinese government. He also got money from doing interviews with overseas media and the various "prizes" given by western countries. Life is rather comfortable for him. An overseas media outlet found his house "elegantly decorated, and the shelf on the wall is filled with expensive porcelains".

"I'm not like you. I don't lack money. Foreigners pay me every year even when I'm in prison," said Liu to his fellow prisoners.

Liu has always proclaimed himself to be a righteous man who participates in "civil rights movement" out of a Chinese citizen's sense of urgency, responsibility and mission. "The reasons why I deliver speeches are: first, I feel good about myself; second, I need to make money. I won't deliver a speech if I'm not paid fair enough for every hour I speak. Money is a kind of self-evaluation. Your life is opened up to the extent of the amount of money you make.

"Once at the Beijing Friendship Store, I saw a bottle of wine supposed to be purchased with 160 yuan worth of foreign exchange certificate. I stood in front of it, feeling weak and smashed. Damn. I am famous and I deliver speeches, but I just can't conquer a bottle of wine."
 

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we all heard of Huawei and the US? they reject on concerns of National Security.

"Huawei has long been badgered by the claim that it is backed by the Chinese government, an accusation that has exerted ruinous effects on the company's acquisitions of foreign companies." that is pure western attack right?


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-02/26/content_12081355.htm

talked about right there.


in this article:

"The company rejected what it said were untrue allegations that it has ties to China's military, receives improper Chinese government financial support or is a threat to American national security."

again, even ties to Chinese military? that is western attack.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-02/25/content_12075890.htm

mentioned, right there.
That is anti China news?

It is justifying Chinese actions.
 

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to add some heat to your interesting and meaningful discussion
Link please.

Let's have some of the fascinating fireworks of Olympic Display (pun intended).

Not withstanding here is your article duly annotated.

In an interview by a Hong Kong based-editor, Liu said that Chinese people's tragedy is not caused by "several fatuous emperors," but "every Chinese person", since the Chinese people created a system that caused their own tragedy.

Liu said that China needed to be a colony for 300 years to have a "real change". He then said that knowledge levels have nothing to do with academic degrees and most Chinese university students and graduate students were "garbage".

Liu showed great respect and praise for the Western political, economic and cultural systems. "I don't care you call me a traitor or a patriot. If you say I am a traitor, then I am. I am the ungrateful child digging out the graves of his ancestors, and I am proud of being such a child," he said.
(left handed to indicate he is a traitor, if this is a Chinese link)

Liu said that the Chinese people "are totally weak both physically and psychologically," and "have no creativity." He thought hat was due to "the race". (aimed to appeal to the prestige and patriotism of the Chinese people by indicating what a 'sold out' element he is!)

Liu said he felt ashamed of being Chinese and that if his English were better he would cut his ties with China. He even felt ashamed to mention the word "China". He even said that China should be separated into 18 regions. (indicating he is a secessionist, a factor that no self respecting person shall accept! )


Since the mid-1990s, Liu Xiaobo began working for the Democratic China magazine, financed by the National Endowment for Democracy, which is funded by the US government, and has been paid regularly. Aboluowang.com, an overseas news website, published an article saying Liu's salary was $23,004, or 157,600 yuan, according to the exchange rate at that time. Even while he is in prison, Liu got 13,000 yuan every month. (indicating the Liu is a 'paid enemy agent')

In addition, Liu made money by writing articles for overseas media, criticizing the Chinese government. He also got money from doing interviews with overseas media and the various "prizes" given by western countries. Life is rather comfortable for him. An overseas media outlet found his house "elegantly decorated, and the shelf on the wall is filled with expensive porcelains".

"I'm not like you. I don't lack money. Foreigners pay me every year even when I'm in prison," said Liu to his fellow prisoners.

Liu has always proclaimed himself to be a righteous man who participates in "civil rights movement" out of a Chinese citizen's sense of urgency, responsibility and mission. "The reasons why I deliver speeches are: first, I feel good about myself; second, I need to make money. I won't deliver a speech if I'm not paid fair enough for every hour I speak. Money is a kind of self-evaluation. Your life is opened up to the extent of the amount of money you make.

"Once at the Beijing Friendship Store, I saw a bottle of wine supposed to be purchased with 160 yuan worth of foreign exchange certificate. I stood in front of it, feeling weak and smashed. Damn. I am famous and I deliver speeches, but I just can't conquer a bottle of wine."
I don't have to annotate every sentence since it is too time consuming. Each sentence is indicating tongue in cheek that Liu is a 'disloyal and a disgraceful' Chinese (note: as perceived by the Govt of China).

If you study Disinformation, Propaganda and Psyops and Psywar, this is an excellent example of the same!!
 
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Smoke and Mirrors is what it is!

Smoke and mirrors is a metaphor for a deceptive, fraudulent or insubstantial explanation or description.
 

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Another way of Jasmine revolution in China? several women in their 30's and 40's are showing their lower body :becky::confused1:

 
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