Chinese J10B roll out!

[badguy2000]

here is a GG of J10B ,which was published several years before J10B rolled out...

the GG is damn similar with the real J10B.

 

[badguy2000]

J-10 Does Cobra Manuver

 

[badguy2000]

J10b flying like an evil shark!

 

[p2prada]

I wonder if there's a video of the cobra maneuver available.

I don't see the fiery end. Is that how its supposed to look like?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

badguy what planes will this plane be facing?? f-16's, raptors, SH , sukhois what do the chinese think this can go up against??

 

[Koji]

badguy what planes will this plane be facing?? f-16's, raptors, SH , sukhois what do the chinese think this can go up against??

Given that Taiwan is their greatest priority and the greatest threat to stability in the region, it'll face Taiwan's F-CK Indigenous Fighters, F-16's, and possibly USN Superhornets.

 

[p2prada]

Given that Taiwan is their greatest priority and the greatest threat to stability in the region, it'll face Taiwan's F-CK Indigenous Fighters, F-16's, and possibly USN Superhornets.

You forgot Mirage-2000.

 

[badguy2000]

Given that Taiwan is their greatest priority and the greatest threat to stability in the region, it'll face Taiwan's F-CK Indigenous Fighters, F-16's, and possibly USN Superhornets.

Taiwan's F-ck would be sitting ducks in the front of J10......

however, in the front of Yankees, PLAAF would be sitting ducks, I think..:blum3:

in modern war, good system is the decisive factors and one single good platform can not work much.
after all, Yankees has GPS,better and C4ISR,which is most decisive factors in a full modern war.

Supported by Yankee's superior C4SIR, even outdated F4 can shoot down a PLA's su30 .

 

[LETHALFORCE]

c4sir is more for survelliance and reconassiance missions and it is more of a network ,how would this have an impact on SU-30??

 

[Koji]

Taiwan's F-ck would be sitting ducks in the front of J10......

however, in the front of Yankees, PLAAF would be sitting ducks, I think..:blum3:

in modern war, good system is the decisive factors and one single good platform can not work much.
after all, Yankees has GPS,better and C4ISR,which is most decisive factors in a full modern war.

Supported by Yankee's superior C4SIR, even outdated F4 can shoot down a PLA's su30 .

They are in the process of upgrading their indigenous fighters, they call it the Bravehawk.

 

[kuku]

How on earth does the government justify investing 2-5 billion dollars in to the FGFA project, when this is the next biggest project for PRC, and represent the most advanced plane they and their allies will use?

Any one of the MMRCA contenders will be more than enough to deal with these planes.

 

[Koji]

How on earth does the government justify investing 2-5 billion dollars in to the FGFA project, when this is the next biggest project for PRC, and represent the most advanced plane they and their allies will use?

Any one of the MMRCA contenders will be more than enough to deal with these planes.

Are you talking about the Bravehawk? It's Taiwanese, not mainland Chinese.

 

[jackprince]

How on earth does the government justify investing 2-5 billion dollars in to the FGFA project, when this is the next biggest project for PRC, and represent the most advanced plane they and their allies will use?

Any one of the MMRCA contenders will be more than enough to deal with these planes.

FGFA is not only for countering PLAAF or PAF, it's to stay on same technological level as others. In another 20-30 years stealth a/c will become standard combat a/c for any modern airforce. if india doesn't start R&D now how can it compete with others? Also there is Chinese J-X project to think about if you want to be solely consider about our main rivals.

 

[Koji]

How on earth does the government justify investing 2-5 billion dollars in to the FGFA project, when this is the next biggest project for PRC, and represent the most advanced plane they and their allies will use?

Any one of the MMRCA contenders will be more than enough to deal with these planes.

Also the numbers India is acquiring is insufficient to gaurantee air superiority.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

How on earth does the government justify investing 2-5 billion dollars in to the FGFA project, when this is the next biggest project for PRC, and represent the most advanced plane they and their allies will use?

Any one of the MMRCA contenders will be more than enough to deal with these planes.

the numbers for FGFA are not known only speculated but it could be completed soon, the numbers for MRCA can start at 120 and add later us needed this would be pretty good air superiority, while the chinese will be working on their project for awhile, no need to plan projects on what others are reported to be doing.

 

[kuku]

Are you talking about the Bravehawk? It's Taiwanese, not mainland Chinese.

No i am talking of the J-10 variant.

FGFA is not only for countering PLAAF or PAF, it's to stay on same technological level as others. In another 20-30 years stealth a/c will become standard combat a/c for any modern airforce. if india doesn't start R&D now how can it compete with others? Also there is Chinese J-X project to think about if you want to be solely consider about our main rivals.

So lets worry about that 20 to 30 years from now, no chinese stealth plane on the horizon, you really think they will make a jump from the J-10 to something like the F-35 in 20 years?

Our main goal is to provide for our AF, once that achieved then we can worry about competing.

Also the numbers India is acquiring is insufficient to gaurantee air superiority.

For the PAF and PLA-AF its more than enough.

Air superiority over each others land is impossible for PRC and India to achieve, look at the map.

For that you need a huge air force with thousands of modern figher planes.

Dont see that with InAF or PLA-AF.

 

[jackprince]

So lets worry about that 20 to 30 years from now, no chinese stealth plane on the horizon, you really think they will make a jump from the J-10 to something like the F-35 in 20 years?

Our main goal is to provide for our AF, once that achieved then we can worry about competing.

Why should India start R&D 20-30 years from now when China already has a fleet of stealth a/cs? If India gets stealth in its arsenal before China, won't that be better? Or should we always follow China? Particularly since PLAAF has numerical advantage over IAF, a good force multiplier like FGFA is very much needed.

For the PAF and PLA-AF its more than enough.

IAF's current structure and numbers is indeed enough to sustain any aggression by PAF. But is it enough to battle PLAAF? Particularly since we need to leave a sizable force in Pak border to deter Pakistan even when we are in for a mother of battles against China?

Air superiority over each others land is impossible for PRC and India to achieve, look at the map.

For that you need a huge air force with thousands of modern figher planes.

Dont see that with InAF or PLA-AF.

Yes, indeed their would be a need of thousands of a/c to gain complete air superiority on enemy airspace for both sides. But, if a war breaks out, neither side will go for controlling other's airspace completely throughout thousands of miles of borders, but they would concentrate on key places with specific tactical reason like denying the air to enemy ground support a/cs, taking out key radar, missile stations or air-defense systems; and then trying to provide strike support to ground troops. So whoever wins the battle on the sky in a certain place gets the tactical advantage of making its ground forces advance or defense stronger.

We believe IAF is technologically superior and it's planes are far ahead than China's. It probably is true. But we shouldn't underestimate them, as they might come up with something - either by copying or by sheer wonder - innovation a system that can be unmatched. The only way to prevent that is to build our infrastructure and technological strength, and not waiting for our rival to come up with stealth and then going for another 10-15 years of R&D.

i believe the lessons learnt from FGFA will be used in MCA. You may consider how much money was spent after F-22 or F-35 project. Compared to them FGFA is pretty cheap, too.

 

[kuku]

Why should India start R&D 20-30 years from now when China already has a fleet of stealth a/cs? If India gets stealth in its arsenal before China, won't that be better? Or should we always follow China? Particularly since PLAAF has numerical advantage over IAF, a good force multiplier like FGFA is very much needed.

IAF's current structure and numbers is indeed enough to sustain any aggression by PAF. But is it enough to battle PLAAF? Particularly since we need to leave a sizable force in Pak border to deter Pakistan even when we are in for a mother of battles against China?

India should start R&D into materials, structures, engines and avionics related to the fifth generation project, dont see the need to fund FGFA though.

There are a lot of things that India should do, like the artillery contract that keeps on getting cancelled every now and then, if PLA-AF starts launching offensive strikes deep into India perhaps that could be countered with much cheaper solutions, for InAF launching offensive strikes deep into PRC we would need a reason, and i fail to find one, hence i believe the 5th generation program should not be before the threat that requires it.

Numerical advantage of PLA-AF amounts to what? It does not change the situation on the ground, the battle will be fought in the mountains and the struggle could possibly be to keep the skies clear, air denial.

How many planes do we need for a defensive posture against Pakistan?

And is a large scale conflict (in terms of area) possible between India and PRC.

Yes, indeed their would be a need of thousands of a/c to gain complete air superiority on enemy airspace for both sides. But, if a war breaks out, neither side will go for controlling other's airspace completely throughout thousands of miles of borders, but they would concentrate on key places with specific tactical reason like denying the air to enemy ground support a/cs, taking out key radar, missile stations or air-defense systems; and then trying to provide strike support to ground troops. So whoever wins the battle on the sky in a certain place gets the tactical advantage of making its ground forces advance or defense stronger.

And that is what the force multipliers we are investing in are meant to do, increase the effectiveness of our air forces by giving early warning and command, which sound very useful in a limited war, there will be limited ground support denial, suppression and destruction of air defence, ground attack if no one is in control of the skies.

If the defences are to be overpowered by sheer numbers how would a fifth generation plane fare any better than lets say a forth generation plane with good support?

We believe IAF is technologically superior and it's planes are far ahead than China's. It probably is true. But we shouldn't underestimate them, as they might come up with something - either by copying or by sheer wonder - innovation a system that can be unmatched. The only way to prevent that is to build our infrastructure and technological strength, and not waiting for our rival to come up with stealth and then going for another 10-15 years of R&D.

i believe the lessons learnt from FGFA will be used in MCA. You may consider how much money was spent after F-22 or F-35 project. Compared to them FGFA is pretty cheap, too.

Well they are doing quite well technologically, it seems better than us, however they are also in the process of developing a forth generation fighter, which shows that the next generation is not going to arrive with in a decade.

I would have agreed if there was a hint of joint development, instead of the current speculation that FGFA will be a customised version of the PAK-FA, I do not trust the Russians to pass over the tech without making a huge mess and delaying every plan we might have for using that tech in MCA(and their are plenty of examples).

 

[luckyy]

how you think Chinese J10B going to perform under stress.........

i mean all chinese electonis goods starts malfunctioning after a few days ..

 

[Koji]

how you think Chinese J10B going to perform under stress.........

i mean all chinese electonis goods starts malfunctioning after a few days ..

Come on now, some product made in China is shoddy, but a minority. Take a look at the innards of your computer..it's all made in China. Has your computer failed in a few days? Has the J-10 failed after a few flights? Has your microwave failed in a few days?

Saying ALL chinese goods are bad is overstretching it.