Chinese J10B roll out!

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  1. redragon

    redragon Regular Member

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    Now that is a milestone for chinese Engine, the only new fighter has not used chinese engine in serial production stage is J-15, the one for CV group. Even Single engined J-10 now are using the WS-10 Series engine, that means the countability and performance are improved greatly. Time to say good bye to russian engjine.
     
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    Well, I would say "WS-15" is the one representing the mature of our engine industry. After all WS10 series has a lots of technologies from American and Russian products.
     
  3. shiphone

    shiphone Senior Member Senior Member

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    quite some combat units are receiving their new toys... some of them retired the aged J-7B or handed over the used J10A to other units to 'make room' for J10B...

    the tail-number paited indicated that the bird was ready to be delivered

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    lined up before the ferry

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    the Radar info updated...

    the PESA on J10B..another PESA airborne radar in service is the one on J15 (used be coded as J11C) shipborne fighter of PLANAF

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    and AESA on J10C.. we might see some sister varient of this radar on J11D fighter

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  4. shiphone

    shiphone Senior Member Senior Member

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    the No.2-23 J-10C fighter... it seems that all 02 batch of so called 'J10B serial production fighter' are manufactured under the J-10C standard... it might be the 78th J10B/C SP fighter ever flied since Jan 2014...

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    earlier birds of 02 batch...

    SP 2.06 with PL-12 AAM

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    a group pix of another 02 batch bird

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  5. shiphone

    shiphone Senior Member Senior Member

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    J10B's new cockpit (flight simulator)....

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  6. shiphone

    shiphone Senior Member Senior Member

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    J10B/C images from my own collection of year 2015 as A memory of the past year

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    the No. 2-10 J10C of 02 Batch J10B/C Serial Production...

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  7. shiphone

    shiphone Senior Member Senior Member

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    J-10C serial productions..

    2-03
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    and 2-27

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  8. shiphone

    shiphone Senior Member Senior Member

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    J10C is being delivered to the PLAF combat units...the first batch has left CAC under 3 drop tanks - standard ferry configuration..


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    Could you give details of the AESA radar and its technical specifications on it .
     
  10. shiphone

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    in the past 6 months the 30th to 5Xth J10C serial production fighters began the test flight in Chengdu successively and were delivered later...

    so far, more than 100 J10B/C fighters were manufactured and five more J10B/C combat units have joined the PLAAF formation which made the total number to around 15 regiments with around 420 J10 fighters in service besides the 15 prototypes...about 10 of them have been lost in the 13-year service life...

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    No.2-35 J10C (with PL-10 WVR missile)

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    No.2-49 J10C (the 49th J10C Serial Production jet)

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  11. tharun

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    What is the production rate of J-10?
    15 regiment with 420 planes means 28 per regiment...Huge fire power...
    What is the present no.of planes in PLAAF Inventory?
     
  12. shiphone

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    1. when the 2nd Assembly line was fully operational in around 2011, we logged a record of more than 60 J10A/J10AH/J10S taking the maiden flight in the following calendar year(2012)...this is the highest record of year we ever seen, so actual yearly production is subject to the plan and allocate fund of that fiscal year..
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    2. PLAAF follow the example of Ex-Soviet formation. a J-6 regiment used to have 56 jet in unit inventory...a J-7/Q-5 regiment could own 36 fighters. the fleet was huge due to the Russian design planes' comparatively low service ratio to keep the enough jets combat ready...

    new Generation fighter was much maintaining friendly, so the number per regiment was further reduced...a J10 regiment owns 24 single seated fighter and 4 two seater trainer. we also observed the emerging J10 Brigades. in theory, this new type combat formation would consist of more sub-formations with more fighters...

    a Naval aviation force J10 regiment own's 24 jets in total and the new J10B/C regiments is formation process so they might not all get the proposed number in full by now. one the other hand, some other units are also operating the J10 jets such as August 1st aerobatics team(12 J10AY/SY ) , PLAAF weapon test regiment and PLAAF test and tactics flight base... so the number-420 could be very close to the reality if not less.
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    3. it's a sensitive question I won't answer. but I might be able to sketch out the combat fleet size in a simple way if you would take the number 420 (J10 in service).

    PLAAF/Naval Aviation have more regiments and a little more sets of the twin engine heavy fighters (including Su27SK/UBK,J11,J11B/BS, Su30, J16, J15) than J10 strength.

    another twin engine fighter -J8DH/DF/F fleet is less than the half of J10 strength (PLAAF+Naval Aviation)

    the twin engine Attacker-JH-7 serial flet is more than the half of J10 strength (PLAAF+Naval Aviation)

    the number of J-7 in PLAAF service might be a surprising one which could be double of the J10 strength. but the old varients(J7B/H) could only be regarded as the second line fighter playing the LIFT role. only the new varients (J7E/G/L ,J7D) with mordern small Airborne radar and Avionics deployed in the frontier area would be accounted into combat force . these fighters were quite cost-effectiveness for the daily patrol and emergency interception in the Secondary threat direction area...a little less size of J10 strength

    the Q-5 ground attack aircraft force are still very active. they could still fly for years due to the adequate spare storage but they would be replaced by JH-7 and J-16 eventually..the fleet is more than 1/3 of J10 strength...
     
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    Super sexy images of the J-10C!
     
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    @shiphone @J20!
    Any info on radar range resistance to jamming and scanning rate on J 10
    Info on ECW on J 10
    Thanks in advances
     
  15. shiphone

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    after the long National day vacation ,it was a 7 day LONG work week..so I have just got some time now...

    well, I have little to share coz there is no much info released on the public media exactly about your two requests and I won't share those 'private' things obviously ...but I may try to have a brief introduction here...
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    in the evolution of J10 fighter, there are Four types of Airborne Fire Control Radar on J10 varients.

    1. the origin one fit on J10 prototype and J10 first few batch J10 SPs is the Type 1473 radar..this is something you might be more familar with coz the tech origin is from the Israeli EL/M-2035 radar(the 'bigger ' EL/M-2032 varient)...the test used be on a Y-8 flying testbed and the PT-1004 prototype should be the first J10 prototype with full avionics including this FC radar...

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    nowadays, this model's test prototype is displayed in the PLAAF museum, second floor...

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    and the EL/M-2032

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    BTW ,the 2032 radar had quite some 'lot' in China...the CAC design team used to plan to put it on the so called ultimate J-7 varient for international market as J-7F/MF...but this project is killed due to the coming of FC-1 project...-J-7F would be lower end and cheaper than FC-1 obviously so it must die...lol.

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    the tech demo was built or transformed from a J-7MG frame called J-7 FS (red 139)

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  16. shiphone

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    EL/M 2035 and the compact version- EL/M 2032 ....

    you may notice that on this specification table. the Israeli gave the data of "typical detection range" which is only 35-50km(18-25 NM). it might looks quite inferior to your common sense about the fighters' airborne FC radar detection range which are 'propagandized' nowadays. but it might be the reality how the fighter's FC radar functions in the real combat

    the performance of Type 1473 radar is around his EL/M2035's figure (50km), and the improvement on the 1473 radar began quite soon... with the new radar and other improvement of Avonics the J10A was born...the early J10 was manufactured in a limited numbers and upgraded to J10A standard during the first overhaul of each jet...

    normally it is claimed that the new radar has a max detection range of about 120km...but again, this is a most idealized performance figure(Max performance) under the most favorable conditions... in the reality scene, the FC radar was not be used in this way and this far...lol

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    improved FC radar on J10A
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    EL/M-2035 detection range is 100km and max of 150 as per internet...
    But most of today's radars are advertised as 200-400km
     
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    after the USSR collapse in early 1990s, China electronics industry sector could touch some latest Soviet Union Radar tech. PESA tech is one of them. some airborne PESA project was imported for research, but before 1989, China electronics industry sector has already turned to 'the West' due to the intensive technological exchange and study. we thought Russian style PESA airborne radar might be a dead end and we'd better jump over this tech stage. in quite long period, we thought there were no PESA airborne radar projects with official approval and national funds in China. but we were wrong when J10B came and later the J15...

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    but PESA should not be the future, the J10B with this PESA radar was just manufactured for two years , one batch only , around 60 jets in total...nowadays the introduction of prototype has been displayed in PLAAF museum . this is an interim solution...I have no formal or informal data about the performance to share at this moment.

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    BTW ,the third PESA FC radar in PLAAF service might be a compact version on the new JL-10 trainer- LIFT version.

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    the J10C with AESA came after the J10B immediately. the Avionics architecture of this J10 varient is a derivative of the J20's which is revolutionary. the AESA system is an advanced system beyond the normal funtion as a FC radar only...the dection range is around the 150km range. aroud 11XX T/R modul on the antenna array...nowadays , China electronics industry could offer quite some electronic components equivalent to the West products on the performace but the lifespan would be compromised .Yield loss problem is another choke point which bring the cost problem..more hard working is the only way to solve it

     
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  19. shiphone

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    it seems I missed the ECM things...lol...

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    the ECM system on J10 also evolved on different J10 varient...

    the standard parts for a ECM: RWR , Transmitter of self-protection jammer and Flare/Chaff dispenser could be found on J10/A/S...

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    the sub- system of ECM on J10B/C was upgraded and the position/ layout was adjusted as well...you may find that the layout might be affected by the Rafale although those are not the same things on the corresponding position ...lol

    MAW senesor and more powerful and functional self-protection jammer were applied...

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    even the J10B/C have some difference between them regarding the ECM layout ...lol...the AESA radar on J10C could be functional in the EW due to the advanced avionics architecture...
    (J10C with AL31FN serial3 vs J10B with WS10B)
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    KG serial EW-pod is also an option for J10 although I haven't seen any images about it ..this serial pods are carried by J11,Su30,JH-7A,even the old J-8F...

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  20. tharun

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    @shiphone Why are you using too many "lol" in every of your posts?
     

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