Chinese J10B roll out!

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  1. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    That picture was taken at Le Bourget, Rafale was never offered to Pakistan as they are too poor to afford anything that doesn't come with military welfare aid. :toilet:
     
  2. G90

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    The biggest joke is calling a rolled su-27 as a 5g fighter:rofl:
     
  3. hbogyt

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    It's true. China may not currently possess all the quintessential 5th generation fighter technologies. Though probably it's close to obaining them. They've probably scheduled the project so that those technologies may become available in the later stages of the prototypical stage.
     
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    China doesn't yet posses all the quintessential 4th generation fighter technologies like asea radar, a reliable engine in the thrust to weigh ratio range of 10 and reliable air to air missiles and most important of them all not a single original airframe design.Each and every single chinese so called 4th gen is a copy of either a israeli lavi or russian SU..

    From small nation like sweeden to biggies like russia ,US no one does this copy cat act.

    Both it's so called 5th ge designs are blatant copies. The J-20 takes F-22 front end design and joins it with cancelled mig-1.44 airframe design..The J-31 is a xerox copy of F-35.Then how do you expect them to excel with 3rd gen russian engine thrust?
     
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  5. hbogyt

    hbogyt Regular Member

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    That's funny, because I've never made any other predictions than the one about JF-17 avionics, as I generally refrain from embarrassing myself when I'm knowledgeable enough on particular subjects. Here, I give an ex-post examination of your predictions that I can remember, since you insist.


    "JF-17 is going to use Western avionics". Has a deal been signed yet?

    "The Russians won't sell you arrestor wires".
    "There are no engines in the Varyag".

    "J-20 is a demonstrator only".
    "It has no weapons bay".

    Discussing a new drone prototype: "like they have Ku-band radio to run it from any distance". The General Staff Department already fielded MALE UAVs.

    J-10 uses no Russian radars. SD-10 used a Russian seeker, is that your rationale for claiming that it still does?
     
  6. hbogyt

    hbogyt Regular Member

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    ASEA rader - research at CDF disagrees.
    Reliable 10-thrust-to-weight engine - really? 4th generation fighters are not going to last any longer.
    Reliable air-to-air missiles - PL-12A+ is unreliable?

    You can't copy an airframe without an up-close technical examination of it . In all likelihood, the Chinese has gone through independent design processes. Difference between the air frames of those so-called original and so-called copies are also material enough to suggest that the Chinese 5th generation air frames are not copied.
     
  7. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    That's funny because you said:

    "China is looking at getting Amur-1650."

    "This aircraft (Y-20) will likely initially be powered by D-30."

    " The Chinese will model their carrier operations on that of the Americans"

    "China's newest export tank VT-1A beats T-90"

    "I officially pronounce Armand2REP visually impaired."

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    At the time, Pakistan was still begging for it until we decided they couldn't pay for it.

    They didn't, the Ukraine did.

    At the time, there wasn't.

    I still maintain that.

    Someone pointed to the gear doors as a weapons bay. My exact words were "that is no weapons bay"

    China does not have Ku-band MALE UAVs.

    Russia says it does, so it does. :wave:
     
  8. hbogyt

    hbogyt Regular Member

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    I eat my words. I've made other predictions.


    "China is looking at getting Amur-1650." Isn't that what your infallible Russian sources are suggesting? :) I was only being suggestive by my wording anyway.

    "This aircraft (Y-20) will likely initially be powered by D-30." This is the consensus.

    " The Chinese will model their carrier operations on that of the Americans" Watch how their deck crew operates.

    "China's newest export tank VT-1A beats T-90" It doesn't, but that statement was made in a different time when I was not methodical, in my research. I've changed, but you haven't a bit.

    "I officially pronounce Armand2REP visually impaired." I only have faint memory of where this is from. You either couldn't see something obvious or you couldn't make out the difference between two things then you proceeded to trash the Chinese based on your imperfect perceptions.

    Details escape me right now. I was under the impression that you said the aircraft had no weapons bay at all because it was only a demonstrator.

    I didn't suggest that China necessarily fielded Ku-band MALE UAVs, but I've seen photographic evidence of MALE UAV in service with the General Staff Department , so clearly they had some technology to communicate with the drone over reasonably long distance.

    I wouldn't believe what the Russians say without further confirmation from other sources, given their recent representations of certain purchase agreements. There's no reason to believe them in this case anyway. They provided the initial Agat seekers, what connection have they had with the PL-12 project since then?
     
  9. Sam2012

    Sam2012 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Guys Cease fire pls , My dear Chinese friend why ur now getting so irritated if J-10B is mocked u guys have mocked LCA for long time & enjoyed which we have no regrets take this also in a sportive way

    Well i would like to congragulate your Aircraft industry eg: chengdu , hongdu etc have made rapid progress by hook or crook

    But remember fact remains the same bring J-10 or J-11 which is operational in PLAF to Arunachal pradesh within minutes ur pilot will be begging in streats of Arunachal pradesh asking for money & way towards Tibet :) ;) :);)

    Remember HAINAN ISLAND incident your pilots instead of shooting down EP-3E ARIES ramped J-8 onto it blind fool , Doesn't matter u get 5G or 6G aircraft fact remains your Air force can never have qualitative edge over IAF
     
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    Sam2012 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Hello from when did beggers started to refusing soft loans? :taunt: . More over M2K was grounded in 2011-12 , PAF was offered Mirage & evaluated between 1999-2001 know as lost decade in PAF
    lockheed | 1992 | 1317 | Flight Archive

    Kindly do some reasearch before you post or keep ur mouth shut :taunt::lol::wave::rolleyes:
     
  11. farhan_9909

    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Lol.Rafale was not offered but the price was reduced to 65millions for pak in 2005...we could have gone for rafale in 2005 because the deal was almost done.but due to the earth quake in 2005.resulted in reduced numbers of F-16 block 52 and Deal for rafale was delayed

    you should check it out that Pakistan was one of the biggest customer of french equipments with over 200 mirage in service


    But thank God we refused rafale
     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Beside this UAE deal for rafale is attached to Pakistan

    if we buy the older m2k from UAE.they might go for Rafale

    otherwise they wanted to opt the much better EFT
     
  13. illusion8

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    I agree, Rafale was indeed offered to PAF and at much reduced prices, my question is why didn't PAF go for it? was it US pressure?
     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Rafale is regarded as the best aircraft they have ever got into by paf pilots

    And PAF was in love with rafale.

    But again money problem. :D

    Money was probably the only problem

    we might have rafale in service by now if the earth quake in 2005 wont have happened.which resulted in reduced number of f-16 and rafale deal was delayed which was later cancelled again because of fund issues because we were already onto WOT by 2006-07.
    in the end paf opted for modified j-10B in 2009
     
  15. Apollyon

    Apollyon Führer Senior Member

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    Paki Air Forced inventory :

    Mirage III : 34 New + 123 Second Hand (50 from Australian Air Force, 40 from French Air Force, 24 from Spanish Air Force and 9 from Lebanese Air Force), 75 in operational Service (majority of second hand)

    Mirage 5 : 64 New + 32 Second Hand , 82 in operational service.

    Funny thing is Paki's will replace Chinese built super dooper F-7P (delivered in 1990's) before these Second Hand French Mirages acquired around the same time with a 3.5 (?) Generation JF-17, talking about French quality here :laugh::lol:

    :lawl::lawl:
    @Armand .. is this true ? ;)
     
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  16. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Of course not, PAF never had the budget to acquire high end systems like Rafale or EFT. You are talking about a bankrupt force that relies on hand-me-downs, welfare and generous financing.
     
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  17. Sam2012

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    What you can expect from begger nation , real reason is they don't have money to buy Rafale or Typhoon

    They don't have single double engine fighter because maintenance cost

    F-16 on soft loan
    Jf-17 JV cheap rate from china
    Mirage all 2nd hand
    F-7 again china on cheap rate

    Bloody second hand Air force :lol::taunt:
     
  18. shiphone

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    the Prototypes of J10B..
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    PT 1031

    maiden flight on December 23, 2008
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    overhauled in 2012 , some improvements could be spotted
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    PT 1033

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    PT 1034

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    PT 1035 ....the one with the WS10B engine.

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    PT 1038... new batch of J10Bs...it might be one of the LSP.

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    shiphone Senior Member Senior Member

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    the first J10B of serial production batch... factory item number: 1·01...source: DSWC and CD

    [​IMG]
     
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    You are late. Indian intelligent LCA is ready by the end of this year.:laugh:

     

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