Chinese Expansionism in Russia with a Twist - Russia Annoyed!

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Let's see what your own experts said.

" According to official Indian maps, until they were revised by Nehru in 1954, the entire boundary in the western and middle sectors was "undefined" (see the maps; they were published in the two White Papers on Indian States and reproduced in "Maps and Borders"). "

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If you go little bit further past 1950, India's western border was "HINDU-KUSH mountains" that is in middle of today's Afghanistan. Eastern border was up to middle of Burma (today's Myanmar) It all depends where you demarcate in timeline . Tibet was an autonomous region for long time.
Today's Pakistan and BanglaDesh were part of India until recently (until 1947) Influence of Hindu civilization is clearly seen , even today, in Cambodia, Thailand,Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Nepal any more countries. Budhism spread from India to China, Korea, Japan and Russia (upto Siberia)
It all depends what time span you are looking at.
 

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If you go little bit further past 1950, India's western border was "HINDU-KUSH mountains" that is in middle of today's Afghanistan. Eastern border was up to middle of Burma (today's Myanmar) It all depends where you demarcate in timeline .
This prove how ridiculous that India's map was, putting those "out of her control" area as a part of her land.

Tibet was an autonomous region for long time.
Today's Pakistan and BanglaDesh were part of India until recently (until 1947) Influence of Hindu civilization is clearly seen , even today, in Cambodia, Thailand,Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Nepal any more countries. Budhism spread from India to China, Korea, Japan and Russia (upto Siberia)
It all depends what time span you are looking at.
So what?
 

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This prove how ridiculous that India's map was, putting those "out of her control" area as a part of her land.
Something like the Bai Yues and other 'barbarians' as was in China?

India was not barbarians as the Han who Sincised ( 中国化, Zhōngguóhuà) the 'barbarians' and make them Han.

India is one of many and everyone's individualities are celebrated in 'Unity in Diversity'.
 
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If India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bhutan underwent unification today, what would be the social and economic impact? That would create a credible competitor to China. Should subcontinent take lessons from Scandinavia, where these countries do a lot of co-operation to be competitive against mainland Europe? That co-operation has meant stability in Scandinavia, maybe the same could work in Subcontinent. Then Chinese expansion in Russia would not weaken India.
 

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Far east always plays in the minds of Russian establishment. Infact it is China that has entered into the carefully laid trap all around it.
Please do elaborate . Just curious to know more about the strategic trap.
 

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Please do elaborate . Just curious to know more about the strategic trap.
In simple Chinese have territorial disputes all around it. It is a failure of their foreign policy and also the bullying and warnings given by china made the countries neighbouring it to look at china in suspicion.

This is where USA capitalised on the chinese failures and implementing "pivot to asia" based on the notion that countries in Asia support US role in peace and stability.
 

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Something like the Bai Yues and other 'barbarians' as was in China?

India was not barbarians as the Han who Sincised ( 中国化, Zhōngguóhuà) the 'barbarians' and make them Han.

India is one of many and everyone's individualities are celebrated in 'Unity in Diversity'.
Yes, always a cheap Indian talk from Indians.
Your own neighbours, however, do think so.
 

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Yes, always a cheap Indian talk from Indians.
Your own neighbours, however, do think so.
Defecting and dilatory, apart from obfuscating.

You cannot answer this post of mine
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Something like the Bai Yues and other 'barbarians' as was in China?

India was not barbarians as the Han who Sincised ( 中国化, Zhōngguóhuà) the 'barbarians' and make them Han.

India is one of many and everyone's individualities are celebrated in 'Unity in Diversity'.
Now to answer your ask your neighbours.

Indeed, see what has happened.

Nepal is on the roll with India after Mr Modi's visit, so is Bhutan, Bangladesh is most accommodating with India, Sri Lanka has put the Chinese port and investment on the hold, Myanmar is warming up.

And Pakistan?

Here it is for you
Pak's 'General Shanti' touches base with Doval
Pak's 'General Shanti' touches base with Doval
So, reveille.

Coffee is there for you to smell.

Quit daydreaming.
 

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The Nanai people: native inhabitants of Russia's Far East
The Far East (Primorye) became part of Russia more than 150 years ago. RBTH takes a look at the peoples that lived here before the Russians and Chinese arrived and who remains today.

Russia, Far East

In the mid-19th century, when the Chinese and later the Russians appeared in present-day Primorsky Territory, these lands were inhabited by among others, the Nanai, Udege and Oroch peoples. An outcome of this interaction is the Tazy people, a group that resulted from mixed marriages between the Chinese and native peoples of the area. Today just 276 people identify with this group.

Back then native peoples were called "inorodtsy" (meaning non-Russian), whereas now they are usually identified as the indigenous peoples of the Far East. However, in Russian they are also sometimes referred to as the small peoples of the Amur Region (malye narody), although this refers to the number of representatives of the group and not their physical size or importance.

Scholars place these peoples as belonging to the Tunguso-Manchurian language group. Some became urbanized long ago, while others still live in the taiga. The primary occupations of indigenous residents of the taiga here are hunting and fishing, as they have been for many centuries.

When the Russians encountered them, they were impressed by their mastery of archery for hunting, harpoons for fishing and their craftsmanship of wooden boats, which they used to traverse the rivers. A small boat was called "omorochka," while one able to carry more than one person was called "bata." Their clothes were sown using animal and even fish skin.In the 19th century the area's indigenous people began trading with the Chinese and Russians: they sold the latter fur in exchange for weapons and powder. However, along with this contact came opium, alcohol and smallpox, which came to plague the taiga.

The life of the native peoples of Primorye was the subject of the writings of Vladimir Arseniev, a scholar, writer and explorer who authored the book "Dersu Uzala," named after his Nanai friend and guide. A Soviet-Japanese production based on this book was shot in 1975 by Akira Kurosawa and won an Oscar for Best Foreign Language Film.

Arseniev characterized the native inhabitants of Primorye as "primitive communists." He argued that their lifestyle and their relations to each other and to the world were fairer and more natural than European mores. Native peoples believed that everything was a living thing. Dersu used to call all things "people," including animals, the Sun and fire. Indigenous peoples in the Primorye region also had a well-developed sense of ecological awareness.


The natives of Primorye today

Today there are few natives left in the Primorye region numbering just 1,500-2,000 people. They live mostly in the northern parts of the territory in the Terneysky, Krasnoarmeisky and Pozharsky districts. The taiga there remains largely untouched and undeveloped and still has large populations of elk, Siberian deer, bears and tigers.

Although there are very few native speakers of the Udege language left, many Udege still lead a traditional way of life. The most well known indigenous settlements are Krasny Yar, with about 600 residents, and Azgu, with a population of about 200. While these villages are difficult to reach, Krasny Yar hosts an annual festival of Udege culture that manages to attract visitors from Japan, Korea and other countries.


You can get to know more about the everyday life of the contemporary Udege through the film "The Forest People" (Lesnye lyudi). Released in 2012, this film by Vasily Solkin and Gennady Shalikov was shot through a partnership between a Vladivostok television station and the Zov Taigi environmental group. It can be accessed

The Udege Legend National Park, set up in the Krasnoarmeisky District of Primorye Region offers insights into life in the taiga with the aim of developing ecological and ethnographic tourism in the area. The entrance to the national park is located in the village of Roshchino, which can be reached by bus or car from Vladivostok or Khabarovsk.

In the north part of Primorye still another national park is being developed. It is called Bikin Park and is located in the Pozharsky District. Its establishment has caused some concern among the indigenous peoples of Primorye.

The purported goal of the park is to save the "Russian Amazon," as the media often calls the Bikin River, from deforestation. However, the Udege from Krasny Yar fear that their traditional way of life will be restricted. In Russia indigenous peoples enjoy special rights regarding hunting and fishing, as these have long been a means of subsistence for them and part of their way of life.

The authorities maintain that the interests of the native inhabitants of the region will be taken into consideration and that they will still have the ability to gather firewood, nuts and berries, hunt sables and fish. The Primorye administration has promised that Bikin will be the first national park in Russia to be directly administered by a native community.

The Nanai people: native inhabitants of Russia's Far East | Russia Beyond The Headlines: Travel
 

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