Chinese daily calls for 'small-scale war' against Philippines

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The Chinese may be trying to take cue from the Russian strategy in Georgia before the Russo-Georgian War: Bait the ill-equipped Philippine forces into overstepping and attacking a non-military Chinese vessel then a more superior PLAN task force will hit most major Philippine naval assets in the area. This is send shock waves (fear) into the Philippine government and military leadership and discredit the US at the same time (more likely the US will not be able to come to Philippines' aid if it is seen that the Philippines was the aggressor or asked for it) - goal is 3-fold, paralyze the Philippine civilian and military government, get the disputed group of islands and discredit the US in SEA as impotent against China.
 

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The Chinese may be trying to take cue from the Russian strategy in Georgia before the Russo-Georgian War: Bait the ill-equipped Philippine forces into overstepping and attacking a non-military Chinese vessel then a more superior PLAN task force will hit most major Philippine naval assets in the area. This is send shock waves (fear) into the Philippine government and military leadership and discredit the US at the same time (more likely the US will not be able to come to Philippines' aid if it is seen that the Philippines was the aggressor or asked for it) - goal is 3-fold, paralyze the Philippine civilian and military government, get the disputed group of islands and discredit the US in SEA as impotent against China.

But so far, Manila is doing exactly what it's suppose to do. Repeatedly stating it wishes to solve the problem diplomatically, while standing its ground by keeping coast guard vessels there, and to make sure there won't be a repeat of Mischief Reef.

But I agree with OP. Nice job China, you finally showed your true colour.

Sometimes I wonder if forcing the close down of Subic and Clark AFB was a serious mistake.
 

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But so far, Manila is doing exactly what it's suppose to do. Repeatedly stating it wishes to solve the problem diplomatically, while standing its ground by keeping coast guard vessels there, and to make sure there won't be a repeat of Mischief Reef.

But I agree with OP. Nice job China, you finally showed your true colour.

Sometimes I wonder if forcing the close down of Subic and Clark AFB was a serious mistake.
so lets look at the fact here.
the chinese fisherman was fishing in a disputed area claim by both china and philippine. instead send in coast guard, philippine send in its newlly acquire biggest WARSHIP. so whos threating who? if this was US or UK, do you think they will just send in some cilivian ship to counter philippine warship? they will send in the royal navy or US navy to counter the threat, to protect their citizen.

so china send in 3 survey ship, withdrawn 2 ships later to show good gesture, both country continue says they want solve through diplamacy. then philippine want other country to get involve to go against china for their own benefit?? later philippine plan to send in 2 more warships(not sure true or not)??


Philippines Deploys 2 More Warships to Scarborough Shoal, Urges Other Countries Against China - International Business Times
The Filipino government is raising the stakes by sending more ships and a plane to the area it refers to as Panatag Shoal and which China calls Huangyan Island.

In China, China Youth Daily and other news outlets reported on Monday that the commander of the Philippine navy, Rear Admiral Alexander Pama, told the Philippines' ABS-CBN news that his country would dispatch two more warships and an anti-submarine airplane to Scarborough Shoal.
so could you tell me whats the true color here. how would US handle it differently, or how would royal navy handle differently if its falkland island etc. simply put there are tons bias against china whether is right or wrong, doesn't matter. think how would other country behave in situation like this before judging china base on bias view.
 

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Containment anyone? :cool2:

Japanese media said the Japanese Self-Defense Forces or the long-term presence of U.S. military bases of the Philippines

BEIJING, April 24 Xinhua China Press reported, 23, Japan and the U.S. hold talks, the two sides reach a consensus on common U.S. military base in the Pacific Ocean. Reported that the Japanese Self-Defense Forces of possible future long-term presence of U.S. military bases in the Philippines.

In the talks, Japan and the U.S. government common use of U.S. military bases of the Pacific Ocean to reach a consensus. In addition to the base of the US-collar Guam Northern Mariana Islands, the Japan Self-Defense Force also possible to use U.S. military bases in the Philippines island of Palawan or Luzon.
the U.S. government to prepare the U.S. military in Okinawa in the form of a "round robin" stationed in Hawaii, Guam, the Australian city of Darwin. As part of the Japan Self-Defense Forces will be stationed in the Philippines, with the U.S. "echoes". The three parties are in active negotiations.
 

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Containment anyone? :cool2:
i doubt it will happen, likely rumor. for starter japan never has any base outside their country since wwii. 2nd japan immediate concern would be Nkorean. not everything on the media are ture.
other than disputed dayo island, china/japan relationship is pretty good. well have to wait and see what happen in the future.
 

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i doubt it will happen, likely rumor. for starter japan never has any base outside their country since wwii. 2nd japan immediate concern would be Nkorean. not everything on the media are ture.
other than disputed dayo island, china/japan relationship is pretty good. well have to wait and see what happen in the future.

watch this video and you will see australian and japanese soldiers participating in the opening ceremony which there are talks that these countries will be joining soon in the war exercise near the west philippine sea. :cool2:

It's just an opening ceremony video so I don't care if you will understand or not what the news caster is saying because its Filipino.
 
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watch this video and you will see australian and japanese soldiers participating in the opening ceremony which there are talks that these countries will be joining soon in the war exercise near the west philippine sea. :cool2:

It's just an opening ceremony video so I don't care if you will understand or not what the news caster is saying because its Filipino.
yes excerise between countries happens all the time. china recently did excerise with russia, doesn't mean much. like i said japan will not seriouslly involved in SCS, nor S.korean, nor australian, they don't have enough interest in that region, and relationship between them and china is pretty good, alot business going on etc.

only US are actually want to contain china and stop our influence from dimishning in the region, even then both country are not looking for conflict. japan, australia, s.korea are not interest in tangle up in SCS mess, nor do they claim any area in SCS.

excerise is just that, excerise, its a good diplomacy stuff. but don't bet on Japan or australia or even US come to the rescue when thing goes hot. georgia, N.K provocative behavior of sink Skorean ship and other incident are some good example.

i personaly think if china send in civilian ship then philippine send in civilian ships to that region, if china send in warship, philippine should do the same. this change philippine from aggressive to defensive in media. don't send warship to chase off some chinese survey ship or fishing boat, just coast guard.
 
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yes excerise between countries happens all the time. china recently did excerise with russia, doesn't mean much. like i said japan will not seriouslly involved in SCS, nor S.korean, nor australian, they don't have enough interest in that region, and relationship between them and china is pretty good, alot business going on etc.

only US are actually want to contain china and stop our influence from dimishning in the region, even then both country are not looking for conflict. japan, australia, s.korea are not interest in tangle up in SCS mess, nor do they claim any area in SCS.

excerise is just that, excerise, its a good diplomacy stuff. but don't bet on Japan or australia or even US come to the rescue when thing goes hot. georgia, N.K provocative behavior of sink Skorean ship and other incident are some good example.

i personaly think if china send in civilian ship then philippine send in civilian ships to that region, if china send in warship, philippine should do the same. this change philippine from aggressive to defensive in media. don't send warship to chase off some chinese survey ship or fishing boat, just coast guard.
How did you know that those countries dont have enough or any interest at all in that region? Those countries are allies of the Philippines and much of the ASEAN. If China can bully its way over one country behind my-ancestor-fished-there-first-i-dont-care-even-if-it-is-in-your-waters then all the countries around that region will be alarmed. Business side? ASEAN will be happy to take all the investors (exploiting cheap labor costs) flying out of China in anticipation of her going back to kungfu era. :lol:
 

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How did you know that those countries dont have enough or any interest at all in that region? Those countries are allies of the Philippines and much of the ASEAN. If China can bully its way over one country behind my-ancestor-fished-there-first-i-dont-care-even-if-it-is-in-your-waters then all the countries around that region will be alarmed. Business side? ASEAN will be happy to take all the investors (exploiting cheap labor costs) flying out of China in anticipation of her going back to kungfu era. :lol:
you are bit naive on the subject of ally. japan, austrlia is not an ally of philippine in the sense of philippine/US or japan/US relationship. did japan or australia support philippine claim of the island? also if japan has SCS interest and want to get involve in the dispute between china/philippine, please find it and link it. georgia is a member of NATO, ally of US and europe, did US do anything to involve a war with russia. the fact is japan, australia is not gonna just rush to help philippine when there is a conflict between china/philippine unless there are signficant benefit to them, to think otherwise is naive. No nation are gonna help some other country for free, unless themself has interest in it, espeically against a powerful country like china, even US will think twice about engagement with china.

I suspect japan are interest in the oil in that region, and willing to work with claim party to give them oil exploration advantage. but if there is really an arm conflict i doubt either japan/australia will get involved. the cost just much greater to go to war with china over few oil field.

Also china will not be aggressive, it will play the diplomacy card and use tis softpower, like it always been. china is unlikely to force ASEAN to be more closer to US then it already has. they will play the indifference between vietnam/malasia/phillipine/others, while send CILIVIAN ships to the claim area.

all the labor force of ASEAN is not coming close to the numbers of labor force in china. also its not just cheap labor, but skill cheap labor with infastructure to support manufacture. there are many article indicate why many major corporation such as ford, apple, GM move to china, not just because the cheap labor. cheap labor only affect low tech industry such as textile.
 
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you are bit naive on the subject of ally. japan, austrlia is not an ally of philippine in the sense of philippine/US or japan/US relationship. did japan or australia support philippine claim of the island? also if japan has SCS interest and want to get involve in the dispute between china/philippine, please find it and link it. georgia is a member of NATO, ally of US and europe, did US do anything to involve a war with russia. the fact is japan, australia is not gonna just rush to help philippine when there is a conflict between china/philippine unless there are signficant benefit to them, to think otherwise is naive. No nation are gonna help some other country for free, unless themself has interest in it, espeically against a powerful country like china, even US will think twice about engagement with china.

I suspect japan are interest in the oil in that region, and willing to work with claim party to give them oil exploration advantage. but if there is really an arm conflict i doubt either japan/australia will get involved. the cost just much greater to go to war with china over few oil field.

Also china will not be aggressive, it will play the diplomacy card and use tis softpower, like it always been. china is unlikely to force ASEAN to be more closer to US then it already has. they will play the indifference between vietnam/malasia/phillipine/others, while send CILIVIAN ships to the claim area.

all the labor force of ASEAN is not coming close to the numbers of labor force in china. also its not just cheap labor, but skill cheap labor with infastructure to support manufacture. there are many article indicate why many major corporation such as ford, apple, GM move to china, not just because the cheap labor. cheap labor only affect low tech industry such as textile.
You're wrong, japan supports us even russia and australia. :confused:

Philippines gets Japan support on Spratlys dispute


President Benigno Aquino is greeted by Japan Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda prior to their talks at Noda's official residence in Tokyo Tuesday. AP

TOKYO—President Benigno Aquino III on Tuesday night secured Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's support for a peaceful resolution of the six-nation dispute over the potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.
The maritime issue in the South China Sea, which Manila calls the West Philippine Sea, ranked high in the agenda of the two leaders' meeting that sought to elevate their country's bilateral relations to a more meaningful "strategic partnership."
In a joint statement, Mr. Aquino and Noda "confirmed that the South China Sea is vital, as it connects the world and the Asia Pacific region, and that peace and stability therein is of common interest to the international community."
The President reiterated the Philippines' "commitment to the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea and to the peaceful resolution of maritime disputes over the South China Sea."
He also emphasized the importance of "a rules-based regime for addressing and resolving disputes and promoting cooperation."
Following the meeting, the President and Noda "confirmed that freedom of navigation, unimpeded commerce, and compliance with established international law including the UNCLOS and the peaceful settlement of disputes serve the interests of the two countries and the whole region." UNCLOS refers to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.
"They shared the recognition that these same interests should also be advanced and protected in the South China Sea," according to the statement.
Though not a claimant to the Spratlys islands, Japan came into the picture, saying vessels that deliver oil it imports from the Middle East pass by that vital sea lane.
Japan promised to assist the Philippine Coast Guard so it could better patrol the country's vast coast line. It will dispatch patrol vessels of the Japan Coast Guard to train its Filipino counterparts. Both countries also agreed to "promote exchanges and cooperation between their defense authorities."
The Philippines and China, along with Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam, have conflicting claims to the Spratlys. Tensions spiked this year after the Philippines and Vietnam said China had become increassingly aggressive in staking its claims to the area, believed to hold vast deposits of oil and gas.
Deal for Filipino nurses
Mr. Aquino and Noda tackled the 3-year-old Japan-Philippine Economic Partnership Agreement (JPEPA), specifically addressing claims Filipino health workers are not getting a fair treatment from Japanese employers.
The two leaders agreed "to continue consultations in order to further improve the current situation, including the smooth dispatch and acceptance of Filipino candidates for qualified nurses and certified workers.".
The President thanked Japan for agreeing to conduct Japanese language training before nurses are sent to Japan. He also "emphasized the importance of increasing the passing rates of Filipino nurses in the Japanese National Examination for nurses."
"We agreed to sustain our active economic cooperation founded on the framework of the JPEPA," Mr. Aquino said after the meeting. "Our governments will be working closely for its effective implementation and for the success of its first general review this year, so that we can maximize its prospective benefits."
During his four-day Japan visit, the President travelled to the tsunami-hit Ishinomaki in the north and will meet with Emperor Akihito before returning home on Wednesday.
Before the start of the bilateral meeting at his official residence, Noda expressed his sympathy for the battering the Philippines was getting from Typhoon "Pedring."
"We hope the threats would be minimized as soon as possible," Noda told the President.
Development aid
The two leaders witnessed an exchange of notes on a package of development assistance from Japan, specifically on disaster preparedness and mitigation projects.
Topping the list was a forest management project worth 9.22 billion yen (or P5.87 billion), which was part of the overall official development assistance by Japan to the Philippines.
Mr. Aquino said the project would "help preserve critical river basins" in four regions of the country.
The President "renewed his appreciation for Japan's continuous assistance for the climate change mitigation and adaptation measures" in the Philippines and promised the "steady implementation" of other projects made possible by Japan loans.
Earlier, the President offered a "win-win" opportunity for Japanese investors in the Philippines and received pledges of potential fresh investments worth at least $1.1 billion, according to spokesperson Herminio Coloma.
Japan is already the Philippines' top trading partner, with bilateral trade reaching $14.4 billion last year, according to government data.
Culture of transparency
The President sat down with more than 30 Japanese businessmen at the Tokyo Kaikan Hotel, presenting investment opportunities in the Philippines. Mr. Aquino also engaged in a round-table discussion members of the Japan-Philippine Economic Coordinating Committee and the Philippine-Japan Economic Coordinating Committee.
Coloma said Toyota Motor Corp. alone would invest P3.6 billion, which would create some 5,000 jobs. He said the top car-maker was also looking to put up a $170-million "next generation" manufacturing plant in the Philippines.
Murato Manufacturing Co. Ltd., one of the world's top producers of digital components, was also planning to establish a factory for its cutting-edge "monolithic ceramic capacitor" in a 23-hectare property in Laguna by October next year.
Coloma said Marubeni Corp. would engage in at least four power projects: the expansion of the Pagbilao coal power plant by 2015, expansion of the Sual facility, a 600-megawatt coal power plant in Subic, and the Leyte-Mindanao interconnection project.
"This is a good time to invest in the Philippines because this culture of transparency we are cultivasting will lead to a win-win situation for all stakeholders involved," he told the Japan Chamber of Commerce and Industry during lunch at the Tokyo Kaikan Hotel.
Rule of law
A palpable change, Mr. Aquino said, was the streamlining of business applications, which was part of a larger effort to "eliminate the preponderance of under-the-table transactions with bloated commissions secretly pocketed by corrupt officials."
Mr. Aquino noted that efforts to review previous government contracts led the Department of Public and Works and Highways to save P4.652 billion worth of supposedly "questionable projects."
Critics blamed his cautious approach to public spending to the country's 3.4-percent economic growth rate in the second quarter this year. A recent Senate budget hearing showed that the DPWH spent only P16 billion out of its P90-billion budget for infrastructure as of last month.
But in his meetings here, the President said it was better to have a problem with "underspending" than to worry about lost money due to corruption. "All our efforts are governed by an overarching principle: an end to corruption means an end to poverty," he said.
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hahaha looks like someone needs to look over his shoulders? looks like a case of isolation now.... hahaha without a dead puppet as its neighbor(u KNow who) the smaller neighbors would likely have bashed the dummy republic....
 

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hahaha looks like someone needs to look over his shoulders? looks like a case of isolation now.... hahaha without a dead puppet as its neighbor(u KNow who) the smaller neighbors would likely have bashed the dummy republic....
Thats what happens when some Fattie thinks he is the boss of the region and bullies every one there:lol:
 

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Philippines wouldn't mind some Chinese shell shocks
Beijing has underestimated Manila's resolve

Now some of the smartest Filipinos are saying that the best thing the Chinese could do for the Philippines is to blast its coast from its vastly superior navy. The country is already showing a rare unanimity and nationhood over the confrontation at the Scarborough Shoal in what Manila calls the West Philippine Sea. If Beijing not only bared its fangs but let loose the cannon, the whole world would react -- on Manila's side. The "work in progress" of building a really coherent Filipino nation would benefit enormously. Already Manila has said that its balikbayan exercises with the United States Navy would proceed, even as Beijing blames them anew for causing the rumpus.

My own feeling is that the Chinese miscalculated. For nine years, the president, the unlamented Gloria Arroyo, let the Chinese have whatever they wanted, in return for personal favours -- like the incredible broadband project, which allegedly carried with it a 50 per cent cut to the first family (or more) and blew up in their faces. Yet the Chinese ambassador who presided over all this in Manila, instead of getting the reward of a high position in the Foreign Ministry in Beijing, as he no doubt expected, was sent to Jakarta instead. Maybe the wise men of Beijing knew he'd missed the point. The Philippines doesn't want vassalage.

Now meantime, Washington has a president whose view of the world didn't start with Europe, like every predecessor of his. Europe's shine was dimming anyway. He started in Asia, having spent his boyhood in Jakarta and Hawaii. It gives that global map a different perspective. And interestingly, that perspective corresponded with the real trend in world politics, everything shifting perceptibly to Asia. It was going to happen anyway, but Barack Obama has speeded up the shift in American priorities.

We have three tiers regarding China. There's the inner circle, Japan, South Korea and in effect Taiwan. There's a second rung, which Obama is beefing up. Basing in Singapore, Australia -- and long talks with Filipinos about how best to "protect" them. And there are long talks with some surprising folks not so far from where you readers are sitting. Some are speculating even long talks about the very bases in Vietnam that we withdrew from in defeat a long generation ago. Just look at the map and imagine the rest. The fact is, China is utterly dependent on free passage through the Strait of Malacca; it would be crippled in months if cut off.

Of course, the third tier is the Seventh Fleet, Pearl Harbor, and the American mainland.
So, when a senior Filipino adviser said that he hoped Beijing "bombs the hell out of us, because then the Philippines becomes a united nation", he meant it. And of course he knows the consequences. Asean tightens up, solidarity all around, and Obama doubles the base in Darwin and Manila renews long dormant but never dead ties (and tons of military assistance to the Philippines).

That's why smarter people in Beijing are having second thoughts; if for nothing else, for timing. It's too soon for them to start baring the claws.
Philippines wouldn't mind some Chinese shell shocks - Columnist - New Straits Times
 

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You're wrong, japan supports us even russia and australia. :confused:

Philippines gets Japan support on Spratlys dispute


President Benigno Aquino is greeted by Japan Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda prior to their talks at Noda's official residence in Tokyo Tuesday. AP



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right, not gonna argue with you anymore. if you belief japan, australia will rush to philipping rescue when there is a conflict, good for you. talk is cheap, they just want a piece of that oil. at the first sign of trouble they will go back to their country and condemn china, thats about it.

also china already indicate it has no intention to bomb hell out of philippine.
 
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And India too. :thumb:




it's obvious that china is having trouble with her REAL allies North korea and Pakistan.
right WWIII for couple of oil field lol everyone will just rush to help the philippine when there is a navy conflict. you seriouslly think you can rely on japan, australia military to fight for philippine when obivous china has no intention of invade philippine. at best there would probably be some small skirmish between phillippine and china, not enough to drage foreign power into it.
 

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You're wrong, japan supports us even russia and australia. :confused:

Philippines gets Japan support on Spratlys dispute


President Benigno Aquino is greeted by Japan Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda prior to their talks at Noda's official residence in Tokyo Tuesday. AP



USA Russia Australia Japan Indonesia -Supports Philippines for Spratly Disputes
TOKYO—President Benigno Aquino III on Tuesday night secured Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's support for a peaceful resolution of the six-nation dispute over the potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.

I suggest you learn to read first.
A peaceful resolution or supporting Philippine are two different things.

I see nowhere it mentioned Russia or Indonesia.
 

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15 days has passed since the standoff started. But no major powers expressed any public solidarity with Philippines, not even its main ally America. Most ASEAN countries shied away from its suggestion of taking sides in the standoff, including those who also claim South China Sea.

Huangyan Island is still under tight control of Chinese marine surveillance vessels and Chinese Fishery Administration ships. I guess China is gonna build some permanent posts and station a couple of PLA soldiers there to further reinforce our sovereignty in a near future.

Like I have pointed out at the very beginning, Philippines made a very big mistake by acting like a spoiled child and sending a warship to harass Chinese fishmen in Chinese waters in the first place. Just because you got America's help doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.
 
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TOKYO—President Benigno Aquino III on Tuesday night secured Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's support for a peaceful resolution of the six-nation dispute over the potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.

I suggest you learn to read first.
A peaceful resolution or supporting Philippine are two different things.

I see nowhere it mentioned Russia or Indonesia.
Then I suggest that you use google or any website that has search engine in it. unless your government blocks the truth tisk tisk. :taunt:

I'll search it for you then since YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT. I guess this how a typical chinese brain works pity. :shocked:

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