Chinese Coast Guard Tactics

[W.G.Ewald]

Vietnam and China: A Dangerous Incident | The Diplomat

In early January 2014, video of a recent CCTV4 documentary "Blue Frontiers Guard" appeared online, providing a detailed history of the China Marine Surveillance (CMS) spanning from roughly 2007 up until the present. The documentary, in Chinese with English subtitles, begins with footage of an incident that occurred on June 30, 2007 between various government vessels from Vietnam and China in the disputed waters off the Paracel islands in the South China Sea. The incident, having previously gone largely unreported, is covered in tremendous detail, providing a new frame of reference for analyzing wider debates over Chinese assertiveness and the U.S. "rebalance" to the region. In addition, the video also provides a number of new insights into organizations such as CMS and its parent organization, the State Oceanic Administration (SOA), including the tactics and command and control arrangements of their vessels when out at sea.

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[CCP]

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Vietnam's oil production and exports are falling.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

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Vietnam's oil production and exports are falling.

If true, does that justify this kind of aggression by China?

From The Diplomat article:

After failing to verbally persuade the Vietnamese vessels to leave the area and allow the survey to commence, the CMS vessels first initiated a protective cordon around the CNPC ship, then began to initiate a number of offensive naval maneuvers. These maneuvers began at the lower end of the spectrum with shouldering, but subsequently escalated to direct bow to bridge ramming after the Vietnamese naval auxiliary vessel DN 29 broke through the cordon. The offensive actions were undertaken on direct orders from the CMS higher command at SOA, who commanded the captains of the vessels to intentionally initiate collisions with the Vietnamese ships. According to the Deputy Director General of SOA's South China Sea Bureau, he and other commanding officials were "stressed" over the risk to their own crews' safety, but nevertheless "asked them to hit other vessels." Such offensive maneuvers are considered by senior leadership at SOA to be more effective as they preempt possible aggressive maneuvers by the other side. The same SOA official is quoted in the video as stating that "based on our years long operational experience, it is much easier to attack than to defend." These comments serve as a strong indication that at least some ranking SOA officials have a preference for preemptive action, and that the organization itself, now in charge of the restructured China Coast Guard, could be promoting an offensive operational doctrine.

 

[nimo_cn]

If true, does that justify this kind of aggression by China?

From The Diplomat article:

Agression? Not really, it's pure self defence.

A Chinese exploring vessel was operating there, then came a dozen of Vietnamnese armed military vessels, disrupting the exploring process and attempting to board.

Chinese vessel called for help, and several Chinese marine surveillance ships came to rescue. Vietnamnese military vessels then took dangerous moves by navigating their ships toward CMS, ignoring the safty of Chinese crew.

CMS retaliated by taking the same tactics, that was what happened.

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[W.G.Ewald]

Agression? Not really, it's pure self defence.

A Chinese exploring vessel was operating there, then came a dozen of Vietnamnese armed military vessels, disrupting the exploring process and attempting to board.

Chinese vessel called for help, and several Chinese marine surveillance ships came to rescue. Vietnamnese military vessels then took dangerous moves by navigating their ships toward CMS, ignoring the safty of Chinese crew.

CMS retaliated by taking the same tactics, that was what happened.

Self-defense is not indicated by ramming another ship.

Rather than rogue or overzealous captains misinterpreting vague guidance, this incident provides conclusive evidence that the impetus for the collisions originated with very specific orders from the upper levels of the organization's central leadership back on the Chinese mainland. The captains of the CMS vessels view such tactics as tools accessible to them, but only use them following orders from their higher command. As the captain of CMS vessel number 84 states in the video: "as long as the commander gives an order, be it hitting, ramming, or crashing, we will perform our duty resolutely."

 

[nimo_cn]

Self-defense is not indicated by ramming another ship.

unless the other ship started the game.

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[W.G.Ewald]

unless the other ship started the game.

Apparently China "started the game" by occupying a disputed territory by force.

The 2007 incident apparently resulted from an attempt by a China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) survey vessel to conduct what the documentary termed "normal operations" in the waters off the Western Paracel islands beginning on June 26 of that year. Such operations are seen as anything but normal by the Vietnamese, who continue to claim the islands despite China having forcefully occupied them since 1974...

The CCTV4 documentary is remarkable not only for the level of detail it provides on collisions that occurred in 2007 as a result of Cold War-era tactics, but also because it provides this information in a tone that seemingly condones and even endorses such actions. In addition to comments from SOA officials discussing the "glorious end" to the confrontation, the narrator in the documentary describes it as a "grand battle," of which the outcome is apparently regarded as successful. The Chinese leadership has reportedly viewed similar incidents as having been settled in China's favor, including the 2012 standoff at Scarborough Shoal, and may even have begun reformulating a maritime strategy based on the "Scarborough Model." Yet the CCTV documentary suggests that the "Scarborough Model" is by no means new, and that the operational concept of using civilian maritime law enforcement vessels to conduct maritime "rights safeguarding" or "rights protection" campaigns has quite possibly been in the works for some time, since at least 2007.

These insights also illuminate an important point in the wider debate over what has been referred to as a more assertive or even aggressive Chinese foreign policy, and its relationship to the "pivot" or "rebalancing" policy undertaken by the Obama administration. Despite the initial signs of this newly assertive foreign policy often being traced to the 2009-2010 period, China had already begun as early as 2007 to undertake a series of provocative actions that seemed designed to assert greater authority and jurisdiction over its claims in the South China Sea. The resulting confrontation described above indicates that Chinese assertiveness not only predated the rebalance, but the Obama administration itself.

Like Chinese news media, you condone Chinese aggression and use of force and believe the idea that Might makes Right.

 

[bose]

unless the other ship started the game.

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Sometime back I saw a vedio of a Vietnamise ship ramming a Chinese vessel in self defense... I will post the vedio if I get it from net...

So the moral of the story is Chinese are making provocative movements... that requires suitable response...

 

[nimo_cn]

Sometime back I saw a vedio of a Vietnamise ship ramming a Chinese vessel in self defense... I will post the vedio if I get it from net...

So the moral of the story is Chinese are making provocative movements... that requires suitable response...

Since it's a game everyone is playing, why not just join the game?

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[nimo_cn]

Apparently China "started the game" by occupying a disputed territory by force.



Like Chinese news media, you condone Chinese aggression and use of force and believe the idea that Might makes Right.

Apparently, Vietnam started the game by claiming Chinese territory.

Chinese civilian law enforcement vessels vs Vietnamnese military vessels, you tell me who is using force.

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[bose]

Since it's a game everyone is playing, why not just join the game?

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So others are stealing... why not me [read China]...

 

[nimo_cn]

So others are stealing... why not me [read China]...

I meant they rammed us, we cant retaliate?

but i am glad that you admit they are stealing from us.

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[W.G.Ewald]

A comment from the original article:

China has never legally and legitimately administered Paracel Islands. Instead, in January 1974 China brutally invaded the Paracel Islands, which were controlled by the Republic of Vietnam. China slaughtered hundreds of ordinary Vietnamese people and soldiers living on Paracels. It has erected illegal facilities on Paracels. Now China continues to terrorize Vietnamese fishermen on their water territories around Paracels. China continues to slaughter thousands of peaceful Vietnamese fishermen and seize their boats asking for ransoms. China must stop their inhumane actions against Vietnames fishermen. China must relinquish the Paracel Islands to Vietnam.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

[PDF]http://origin.www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/transcripts/USCC%20Hearing%20Transcript%20-%20April%204%202013.pdf[/PDF]

 

[W.G.Ewald]

The South China Sea's disputed maritime borders


DISPUTES:

Six parties are involved in a complex set of historically based territorial disputes in the sea -- Brunei, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam. China's claims, the broadest, cover all of the Spratly and Paracel islands and most of the South China Sea.

China's military occupies all of the Paracels, and some nine reefs in the Spratly Islands, including Johnson South Reef, Hughes Reef and Subi Reef.

Vietnam occupies dozens of Spratly atolls and reefs and has military bases on several more.

Taiwan holds Itu Aba island and Ban Than Reef in the Spratlys. Former president Chen Shui-bian visited Itu Aba in 2008 with a naval flotilla. Taiwan has built an airport there.

Malaysia has built an air strip and diving resort on Layang Layang, also known as Swallow's Reef. The Malaysian navy maintains a base here too. The other atolls it occupies are Ardasier Reef, Marivales Reef, Erica Reef and Investigator Shoal.

The Philippines occupies several Spratly Islands, most significantly Thitu, which it renamed Pagasa (Hope).

 

[J20!]

Self-defense is not indicated by ramming another ship.

Have you watched the footage from the documentary, or are you just following the assertions of the Tokyo-based blog you're quoting?

After the armed Vietnamese Navy vessel had broken through the DEFENSIVE cordon the CMS vessels had established and was sailing towards the survey ship, what do you sugest they should have done?

Weren't the Vietnamese ships the aggressors here?
At least be consistent in your criticisms.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Have you watched the footage from the documentary, or are you just following the assertions of the Tokyo-based blog you're quoting?

After the armed Vietnamese Navy vessel had broken through the DEFENSIVE cordon the CMS vessels had established and was sailing towards the survey ship, what do you sugest they should have done?

Weren't the Vietnamese ships the aggressors here?
At least be consistent in your criticisms.

The article's main argument is about the number of years China's policy of this type of aggression has been used.

The CCTV4 documentary is remarkable not only for the level of detail it provides on collisions that occurred in 2007 as a result of Cold War-era tactics, but also because it provides this information in a tone that seemingly condones and even endorses such actions. In addition to comments from SOA officials discussing the "glorious end" to the confrontation, the narrator in the documentary describes it as a "grand battle," of which the outcome is apparently regarded as successful. The Chinese leadership has reportedly viewed similar incidents as having been settled in China's favor, including the 2012 standoff at Scarborough Shoal, and may even have begun reformulating a maritime strategy based on the "Scarborough Model." Yet the CCTV documentary suggests that the "Scarborough Model" is by no means new, and that the operational concept of using civilian maritime law enforcement vessels to conduct maritime "rights safeguarding" or "rights protection" campaigns has quite possibly been in the works for some time, since at least 2007.

 

[J20!]

The article's main argument is about the number of years China's policy of this type of aggression has been used.

The article's main argument is using said "aggression" as justification for Obama's "pivot to asia". Which is why I'm disregarding the author's spin on the incident.

And I'll ask again, who is the aggressor here?
The CMS ships maintaining a defensive cordon around a Chinese survey vessel in Chinese controled waters, or the Vietnamese Navy ships trying to force the survey ship from those waters?

Because if Chinese NAVY ships were to attack a Japanese survey vessels operating in the waters around the diaoyutai's I'd be willing to place an extremely large bet on what your opinion on the matter would be.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

The article's main argument is using said "aggression" as justification for Obama's "pivot to asia". Which is why I'm disregarding the author's spin on the incident.

Of course any Western writer's opinion is "spin" to you. Nothing new about that.

A search of the term "Chinese aggression" just on DFI would be revealing.

 

[J20!]

A search of the term "Chinese aggression" just on DFI would be revealing.

Why would Chinese authorities release a documentary that highlights CMS "aggression"? Watch the documentary and stop letting other people tell you what to think.

Of course any Western writer's opinion is "spin" to you. Nothing new about that.

On the contrary, there are many "western" authors who objectively report on East Asian matters. Try looking for a few University papers which actually substantiate their claims with verifiable facts..

What I do know is that you won't find many at The Diplomat. Which is a blog by the way; where authors write their unsubstatiated opinions not the gospel.