Chinese Armored Vehicles

[Kunal Biswas]

There is not a grain of truth in what you have said。

It is good to know that our neighbour still lives in the 18th century.

If so sure prove your point, by not posting Off topic photos and Comments....

If cannot stop posting, its only proves you are empty and scared of reality..

Still yellow belly ?

Are you kidding?

The picture has got nothing to do with the 99s. in a thread concerned with tanks.

Than stop posting it..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

....have a question,can ERA be placed like this?

this is russian's ERA,they placed it like this:

This is the turret used for your latest tanks, It masked a fatal flaw that earlier tanks had, This are too thin to be any think but ERA..

ERA can be shaped in different forms to fit over a turret..

 

[cir]

If so sure prove your point, by not posting Off topic photos and Comments....

If cannot stop posting, its only proves you are empty and scared of reality..

Still yellow belly ?



Than stop posting it..

Scared of reality？What reality？Do you have the slightest idea what the reality is？

I will oblige and tell you what the reality is。 The reality is that China is fielding a new generation of tank killers。

 

[AprilLyrics]

This is the turret used for your latest tanks, It masked a fatal flaw that earlier tanks had, This are too thin to be any think but ERA..

ERA can be shaped in different forms to fit over a turret..

er....still cannot see ur pic.pls upload it?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I can see..

 

[cir]

"Spike"

 

[hbogyt]

Different turret and different chassis. The chassis is based that of the type-90 not the T-72. On which pictures are you basing your conclusion that the armor blocks are too thin to be composite? Judging from the picture in post #8, the surface layer of armor appears to be subdivided into 2 layers with a relatively thicker layer of passive modular armor underneath and a thin layer of ERA bolted on top of that passive armor. The turret dimensions have also changed drastically.

Edit: the irregular shapes of the armor modules suggest against ERA.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Scared of reality？What reality？Do you have the slightest idea what the reality is？

I will oblige and tell you what the reality is。 The reality is that China is fielding a new generation of tank killers。

So, Why post it ?

ATGM is new ? Can you even say what type of warhead it use, forget tanks, do you know abt the things you post ?


Realty is you are clueless, Your frustration can be seen by everyone, So does your lame show by posting offtopic pics..

If you are not scared and clueless you have post some thing important and prove me incorrect, But u didnt..

Just lame, If you want to make it more lame abt yourself go ahead..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Different turret and different chassis. The chassis is based that of the type-90 not the T-72. On which pictures are you basing your conclusion that the armor blocks are too thin to be composite? Judging from the picture in post #8, the surface layer of armor appears to be subdivided into 2 layers with a relatively thicker layer of passive modular armor underneath and a thin layer of ERA bolted on top of that passive armor. The turret dimensions have also changed drastically.

No one says its based on T-72 or even T-90, But do see what i have said " Lesser Space between wheels to minimise the overall length, Afaik Chinease share the same kind of autoloaders as Russian, Longer chassis is longer target..

The older-one had the same, Three layers of protection including the ERA cover, But earlier turret had addon Armour at front which inefficiency to cover-up the exposed roof inclined towards the frontal Armour, New ERA cover is better than before but not good enough, all era are their to cover the first hit only..

Without the Addon the and with new ERA cover indeed dimension is change but the Original turret beneath the ERA cover is the same as it was before..



You repeated my words only, Except the hull deign..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

What is the chance of a tank battle in Tibet? .

Than how can you answer the deployment of Type-96 MBT there ?

Tanks are not only used in tank battles..

 

[hbogyt]

No one says its based on T-72 or even T-90, But do see what i have said " Lesser Space between wheels to minimise the overall length, Afaik Chinease share the same kind of autoloaders as Russian, Longer chassis is longer target..

The older-one had the same, Three layers of protection including the ERA cover, But earlier turret had addon Armour at front which inefficiency to cover-up the exposed roof inclined towards the frontal Armour, New ERA cover is better than before but not good enough, all era are their to cover the first hit only..

Without the Addon the and with new ERA cover indeed dimension is change but the Original turret beneath the ERA cover is the same as it was before..



You repeated my words only, Except the hull deign..

You said that this new variant had the same chassis as that of the older ones, just shortened. I argued that, since the older variant used an enlongated T-72chassis while this one used the type-90 chassis, their chasses were completely unrelated, hence different chassis.

The shapes of those armor modules are too irregular to be ERA. If they were just ERA, then why did they not just save some cost by making regular blocks?
The turret also appears taller than its predecessor even without the add-on armor, again judging from post #8.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You said that this new variant had the same chassis as that of the older ones, just shortened. I argued that, since the older variant used an enlongated T-72chassis while this one used the type-90 chassis, their chasses were completely unrelated, hence different chassis.

The shapes of those armor modules are too irregular to be ERA. If they were just ERA, then why did they not just save some cost by making regular blocks?
The turret also appears taller than its predecessor even without the add-on armor, again judging from post #8.

How can they be unrelated, If they are please elaborate and give some details to prove your claim..

Its not so, ERA tiles don't need to be a square shape, they can be molded in different shapes to be used in different parts on a tank body, I hope you know how ERA works, than how can you say regular deign saves money ?


Of-course its taller, You didn't had ERA tiles over the turret before, Now you do..

 

[hbogyt]

How can they be unrelated, If they are please elaborate and give some details to prove your claim..

Its not so, ERA tiles don't need to be a square shape, they can be molded in different shapes to be used in different parts on a tank body, I hope you know how ERA works, than how can you say regular deign saves money ?


Of-course its taller, You didn't had ERA tiles over the turret before, Now you do..

The picture in post #7 shows a MBT-2000/Type-90. The hull is the same as that of the new tank. The Type-90 uses an indigenous hull, older variants of the type-99 a reverse engineered hull.

Where the top of the turret is not covered by add-on armour modules, is still quite some distance above the near end of the gun. On older variants, the top of the turret barely clears the near end of the gun.

Too many different shaped ERA tiles complicates logistics. How do you know where the turret is more likely to be hit , in another word, which tiles should you produce more of? You may have an expected number for each shape of tile, but the sample mean is always different from the true mean and you run the risk of underproducing certain shapes of ERA leaving parts of the tank unprotected.

 

[AprilLyrics]

How can they be unrelated, If they are please elaborate and give some details to prove your claim..

Its not so, ERA tiles don't need to be a square shape, they can be molded in different shapes to be used in different parts on a tank body, I hope you know how ERA works, than how can you say regular deign saves money ?


Of-course its taller, You didn't had ERA tiles over the turret before, Now you do..

i asked abt the ERA in CD,they didnt give me an answer yet....

one question,is ERA safe to those infantry around the tank?

 

[hbogyt]

i asked abt the ERA in CD,they didnt give me an answer yet....

one question,is ERA safe to those infantry around the tank?

Probably less dangerous than the HEAT warhead that triggered the ERA.

 

[AprilLyrics]

Probably less dangerous than the HEAT warhead that triggered the ERA.

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[Kunal Biswas]

The picture in post #7 shows a MBT-2000/Type-90. The hull is the same as that of the new tank. The Type-90 uses an indigenous hull, older variants of the type-99 a reverse engineered hull.

Changes:

1. The spacing between the Wheels from second to fifth are reduced, gives a shorter chassis..
2. New Engine Compartment from new engine..
3. Modified Fuel tanks..

Similarities:
1. The spacing between the wheels from second wheel to fifth are inherited from previous chassis..
2. The No of wheels are same..
3. The Torson bar suspension is same and the bars at same place as before..

is still quite some distance above the near end of the gun. On older variants, the top of the turret barely clears the near end of the gun.

Older turret

Newer turret

The ERA is covering the older turret and front addon is removed form older turret..

Too many different shaped ERA tiles complicates logistics. How do you know where the turret is more likely to be hit , in another word, which tiles should you produce more of? You may have an expected number for each shape of tile,

No it doesn't, Its not first in PLA..

US, Israeli and Uk so does newer T-90M using different size ERA to give proper protection, Regular tiles don't fit every where and leave Expose parts..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

one question,is ERA safe to those infantry around the tank?

Extremism Dangerous, This ERA can be destroyed by small arm fire if not protected with steel plates..

Each Plate contain RDX which explode in reverse direction of Armour..

 

[pack leader]

Kunal all the ERA tiles you show are all Israeli in origin made by Rafael (export )
imi (domestic)
Israel is the only western manufacturer of ERA
the British and Americans bought the kit after the Iraqi invasion

 

[p2prada]

Kunal all the ERA tiles you show are all Israeli in origin made by Rafael (export )
imi (domestic)
Israel is the only western manufacturer of ERA
the British and Americans bought the kit after the Iraqi invasion

Germany makes ERA as well. The ones on stryker were exported from Germany. GM makes licence copies of the German ERA in the US.