Chinese Armored Vehicles

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  1. warzone

    warzone New Member

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    Re: New light tank for operating on the Tibetan Plateau

    Simple. First, don't use your belly against enemy's spearhead, so don't use light armor but other force to attack anti-armor team in your case.
    Second, Search Himalaya Mountains then you know.

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  2. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I have walked the Himalayas and have not seen mud.

    Have seen areas which are high and only some places of tank runs.

    You stated where not to use Light Armour.

    I asked where would Light Armour be used.

    That is what you have avoided.
     
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  4. warzone

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    I am not avoiding here, but you didn't give any specific scenarios before. Under your previous case, if you insist using light armor to fight anti-tank team then use it. Finally, you remember it's hilly and you talked there too?:thumb:
    Since you walked Himalayas, then put some photos(you must have) showing the terrain, routes and towns you have traveled, so we can discuss.

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    I have in no way mentioned the Light Armour is to be in an Anti Tank role.

    It can never be so, as anyone who has been in the Army would know.

    I was not a trekker when I walked the Himalayas or on an adventure trip that I when around taking photos.

    I did it as a part of my profession.

    Check my avatar. That is also taken when I was in the Himalayas.
     
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  6. W.G.Ewald

    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    Would an article on "Why Light Armour is unsuitable in an Anti Tank role" be of interest, or is the subject too obvious?

    I think of the M551, which was replace by the BGM-71

    M551 Sheridan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

     
  7. warzone

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    Well, which part you don't understand? In your limited scenario, you neither user your armor to fight anti-tank team or accept my answer hiding your armor.
    It's a nice photo though, and where is it(town name) and when was it taken? If you had been to Himalayas then show us some travel routes and any other photos showing where you walked. Or you have never been to there.
    Last, there's nothing to do with your talking and your profession, unless more details can be provided.

    WarZ
     
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  8. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    i don't require to provide you with photos or anything else since those who know me here, know me for what I have done and what was my profession.

    It is not the right forum to indicate where one has travelled and why.

    As far as Tank warfare or warfare is concerned, it is adequate to state I have fought wars, which is also known out here.

    BHARAT RAKSHAK MONITOR - Volume 6(5) March April 2004

    Have a look at the link WG Ewald has appended.
     
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    Article is by Brig. (r) S. K. Raychaudhuri VSM.

    Vishisht Seva Medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

     
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  12. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Type-96/98/90 etc, More or less same thing from design aspect ..

    And that is PRC design made with Pakisthani Raw material ? Do you have internal layout of explosive of yours ERA tiles ?

     
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    Type-96 is improved Type-85 series

    Type-90 was developed as the first Third gen mbt, has offsprings as Type-98/ 99 series, they even shared same FCS/ GCS an optics. AK is a development of Type-90IIM, not type-85/ 96.

    Pakistani composite armour and ERA developed by AARDIC with Ukrainian assistance. More info can be found on this thread.



    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-mbt-2000-main-battle-tank-62.html#post681099
     
  14. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    This doesn't answered what i asked , Does basic turret geometry has drastic difference ? no..

    Rest is irrelevant ..

     
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    It is quite relevant, all type-9xx variant s have more or less similar turret layout but there is a world of difference.
    If u were willing to learn, u wouldn't have said this. Considering your anology, t-90 is just a t-72 since it is essentially a t-72 b variant right?
     
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  16. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Irrelevant first, Now seems to be more on truth..

    I dont have spare time to educate you, Perhaps @Damian can shed more light into your analogy about T-72B and T-90S ( Present variant ) turret design..

     
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    I was looking to offer you some extra classes ;)

    Anyway,

    this is AK's ERA produced by AARDIC, two generations are developed and deployed on AK and AZ, third is in development,,


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    Damian Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    Well, the fact is that turret geometry in Chinese tanks is not the best over there, there main reason in my opinion is the front armor design in form of bolt on modules. This meaks two things, first is the mentioned geometry and second is an air gap inside armor module for installation bolts. This air gap reduces the usefull volume for composite armor, and this is rather significant amount of volume wasted for air. Take a note that the newest Chinese tanks like ZTZ-99A2 and MBT-3000 do not have such armor modules but more classic semi-modular design in form of armor inserts placed in welded armor cavity being integral to turret structure.

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    In case of T-90, the original T-90 used the same turret as T-72B.

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    As we can see the side armor here is completely covered by front armor withing 60 degrees frontal arc.

    Improved T-90's the T-90A, new T-90S etc, have new better turret welded from rolled plates, but the idea is same.

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    Western tanks have simpler geometry, this is why to provide good protection withing 60 degrees frontal arc they have thick composite armor not only at turret front but also sides.
     
  19. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    They also have turret roof issue which is inclined at front Armour..

    Similar design have been observed in most Chinese tanks expect very new series of Type-99..

     
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    Tueet roof is exposed on most Type-99 variants accept A2 version, AK also has turret roof ERA installed.
     

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