China's intrusion in Indian waters sends jitters

[ice berg]

Chinese navy is metamorphosing itself since the 1996 stand off with USA.
Surprisingly even though missile boat have been useful in the 1971 war Operation Trident/Python Indian navy not developing any missile boat,but see Chinese what they are doing.

Houbei-class missile boat

Chinese have built over 80 Houbei-class missile boat each armed with 8 C-802 missile.

Different doctrines.

Besides missile boats cant stand on their own.
Operation Praying Mantis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[t_co]

Different doctrines.

Besides missile boats cant stand on their own.
Operation Praying Mantis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Missile boats under a decent air cover can trade reasonably well with a SAG, provided they lurk in the right places at the right times.

 

[JBH22]

Different doctrines.

Besides missile boats cant stand on their own.
Operation Praying Mantis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Agreed that PLAN aim is to swarm US battle carrier groups but still in India we have had good exposure using these types of boats and neglecting them is a huge mistake imho.

 

[t_co]

Agreed that PLAN aim is to swarm US battle carrier groups but still in India we have had good exposure using these types of boats and neglecting them is a huge mistake imho.

The IOR is not the ECS. Most of the time, the IN will be operating pretty far from a friendly airbase. In such a situation, using small missile boats would quickly turn into a massacre

 

[Ray]

The IOR is not the ECS. Most of the time, the IN will be operating pretty far from a friendly airbase. In such a situation, using small missile boats would quickly turn into a massacre

Everything is within the air umbrella!

 

[t_co]

Everything is within the air umbrella!

Large chunks of the IOR aren't, unless you're running Flankers with extra fuel tanks and/or air-to-air refueling.

 

[t_co]

Large chunks of the IOR aren't, unless you're running Flankers with extra fuel tanks and/or air-to-air refueling.

And if you're doing that, your Flankers are going to be slow and unmaneuverable, at the outer limits of pilot endurance, with a reduced ordnance load, and highly vulnerable to any decent CVBG's combat air patrol.

 

[Ray]

Large chunks of the IOR aren't, unless you're running Flankers with extra fuel tanks and/or air-to-air refueling.

And where are the air bases?

Guess.

 

[t_co]

And where are the air bases?

Guess.

I'm assuming the coast of India + Maldives + Anduman/Nicobar Islands; am I missing any bases here? Does IAF have basing rights on Socotra?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Contradicting your own words..

If IN Frigates and Destroyers operating that far in IOR, How come a such a small missiles boat have such higher endurance and range to chase or ambush them in middle of IOR..

The IOR is not the ECS. Most of the time, the IN will be operating pretty far from a friendly airbase. In such a situation, using small missile boats would quickly turn into a massacre

 

[t_co]

Contradicting your own words..

If IN Frigates and Destroyers operating that far in IOR, How come a such a small missiles boat have such higher endurance and range to chase or ambush them in middle of IOR..

I meant that if the IN was operating missile boats itself in the IOR - say, to perform sea denial against an enemy CVBG, it would turn into a massacre unless the missile boats had some sort of air cover.

The reason for this is because missile boats aren't powerful enough to mount the EW and radars necessary for long-range air defense against Su-33s/J-15s or F/A-18s armed with modern anti-ship missiles. The missile boats would get detected by an AEW&C aircraft's synthetic aperture radar at 60nm-100nm ranges and picked off one by one without any ability to hit back or run away.

On the flip side, FFGs and DDGs do have the ability to shoot down air targets at those long ranges, which is why they can operate in a semi-independent manner.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

From where you get such an Idea, Why would anyone do that on first place.. ?!

Long sea Patrols compromise of a fleet of ships with a tanker to support it..

Where you get the idea IN operating missles boats in middle of IOR ? Perhaps you are confusing with Andaman sea ..

I meant that if the IN was operating missile boats itself in the IOR - say, to perform sea denial against an enemy CVBG, it would turn into a massacre unless the missile boats had some sort of air cover.

The reason for this is because missile boats aren't powerful enough to mount the EW and radars necessary for long-range air defense against Su-33s/J-15s or F/A-18s armed with modern anti-ship missiles. The missile boats would get detected by an AEW&C aircraft's synthetic aperture radar at 60nm-100nm ranges and picked off one by one without any ability to hit back or run away.

On the flip side, FFGs and DDGs do have the ability to shoot down air targets at those long ranges, which is why they can operate in a semi-independent manner.

 

[t_co]

From where you get such an Idea, Why would anyone do that on first place.. ?!

Long sea Patrols compromise of a fleet of ships with a tanker to support it..

Where you get the idea IN operating missles boats in middle of IOR ? Perhaps you are confusing with Andaman sea ..

Quite true. This was part of the original discussion relating to whether missile boats would be useful for the IN or not. It seems that given the geography of the IOR the IN is better off going with a robust set of platforms capable of fleet air defense and advanced EW...

 

[Ray]

I'm assuming the coast of India + Maldives + Anduman/Nicobar Islands; am I missing any bases here? Does IAF have basing rights on Socotra?

If you get into details, you will find the answer.

Everything does not meet the eye and everything is not public knowledge.

 

[arnabmit]

China flexes muscle in Indian Ocean, Navy concerned

Increasing presence of the Chinese maritime forces in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) and disciplinary issues in the force are expected to be discussed by the top Navy brass in their commanders' conference starting on Tuesday.

The Navy has been concerned over the increasing presence of Chinese navy's submarines and other warships in the IOR. In a recent report submitted to the defence ministry, the Integrated Defence Staff headquarters had informed the government quoting the data by American agencies that 22 encounters of Chinese submarines have taken place outside its territorial waters in the IOR.

China has also been successful in establishing its presence in ports around India including Chittagong in Bangladesh, Sittwe and Coco Island in Myanmar, Hambantota in Sri Lanka and Gwadar in Pakistan, which gives it capability to stay close to Indian waters from all sides in a move known as " string of pearls".

In the conference to be inaugurated by defence minister AK Antony, the Navy will also discuss cases of indiscipline faced by the force.

In recent times, several Navy officers have faced allegations of wife swapping and stealing the affection of brother officer's wife.

One senior officer posted on-board prestigious INS Virat aircraft carrier was dismissed by the force for sending lewd messages to several women using multiple SIM cards and mobile phones.

The top brass of the force is also expected to discuss the delay in the induction of the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, which is being retrofitted in Russia and has been delayed due to mishaps in its boiler.

 

[rock127]

hope will be pro active now.

That word is not found in the dictionary of Indian strategy and foreign policy.

Right now we are not even properly Reactive.