China's intrusion in Indian waters sends jitters

[KS]

Talking to a fanatic Tamil about SL is like banging head on a stone wall.

"Fanatic" Tamil is not giving naval base to India's enemies. Keep up the ostrich attitude and you will have India's cuba with chinese nuclear missiles. Then also blame the "fanatic" Tamil. You guys are capable of doing only do that. Not capable of processing facts and digesting realities.

p.s: Today 26 "fanatic" Tamilians have been arrested by your allies. Dont ask them for their release. They might go to China.

 

[DivineHeretic]

If India had made the Hambantota port, we would not have seen this day. Thanks to Tamils, India didn't take up the offer.

We can keep a calm head for now. Its't like the PLAN will start stuffing the Hambantota or the Gwadar port with SSNs/SSBNs starting tomorrow . It takes huge hardened concrete facilities to station a Nuklear sub @ a base, not to mention very deep ports and entry routes to enable subs to come to the dockyard. Any such construction takes a long amount of time, and is easily visible from surveillence craft and satelites.
Not to mention the fact that the PLAN really do not have enough subs to even maintain sustained patrols into the IOR.

 

[Decklander]

FYI, Not all subs detected in these waters were Chinese, infact majority of them were Russian subs operating out of Vietnamese ports.

 

[Yusuf]

We can keep a calm head for now. Its't like the PLAN will start stuffing the Hambantota or the Gwadar port with SSNs/SSBNs starting tomorrow . It takes huge hardened concrete facilities to station a Nuklear sub @ a base, not to mention very deep ports and entry routes to enable subs to come to the dockyard. Any such construction takes a long amount of time, and is easily visible from surveillence craft and satelites.
Not to mention the fact that the PLAN really do not have enough subs to even maintain sustained patrols into the IOR.

I am calm about this. Read my earlier post. Was replying to the other poster on a separate question he raised.

 

[Yusuf]

"Fanatic" Tamil is not giving naval base to India's enemies. Keep up the ostrich attitude and you will have India's cuba with chinese nuclear missiles. Then also blame the "fanatic" Tamil. You guys are capable of doing only do that. Not capable of processing facts and digesting realities.

p.s: Today 26 "fanatic" Tamilians have been arrested by your allies. Dont ask them for their release. They might go to China.

We will end up with the same discussion again so no point arguing on this.

The 26 captured story is titled "allegedly captured". So much propaganda happens its hard to believe anyone.

 

[ice berg]

Another joke from ToI. To distinguish a chinese sub from other subs, you will first need their acounstic signatures.
US is the only navy who got a such database.
You have neither the assets or the capabilities to patrol and positively identify all subs in Indian Ocean.

 

[Ray]

Another joke from ToI. To distinguish a chinese sub from other subs, you will first need their acounstic signatures.
US is the only navy who got a such database.
You have neither the assets or the capabilities to patrol and positively identify all subs in Indian Ocean.

And US is a strategic partner of India very keen to know everything China does.

India is but a help for US strategic design.

Should India not know the signatures?

After all, sharing Chinese subs signatures with India will only reduce the US burden and yet at the same time not affect their strategic design against China!

 

[nimo_cn]

so Indian navy intruded in SL waters, to do what? Does that happen a lot?

Sent from my HUAWEI T8951 using Tapatalk 2

 

[Ray]

so Indian navy intruded in SL waters, to do what? Does that happen a lot?

Sent from my HUAWEI T8951 using Tapatalk 2

If only you knew how things work in surveillance , you would not be stating this!

 

[ice berg]

And US is a strategic partner of India very keen to know everything China does.

India is but a help for US strategic design.

Should India not know the signatures?

You can not share something that the other party cant use.

It is like you install windows on your laptop. You need a platfom to do that.

And sub signatures are the most sensitive information out there. I doubt US even share
that with their closeste allies.

Not to mention there are many subs in Indian Ocean. The database is useless if it only got one country on it, right? After all how
do you distinguish a pak sub from a chinese or russian sub? One set of data is not enough.

 

[nimo_cn]

so Indian navy intruded in SL waters, to do what? Does that happen a lot?

Sent from my HUAWEI T8951 using Tapatalk 2

subs are being operated underneath the sea water, which makes them difficult to be detected. Even if with anti sub aircraft, you need to be close enough. so if IN detected subs in SL waters, it means IN is in SL waters.

Sent from my HUAWEI T8951 using Tapatalk 2

 

[nimo_cn]

If only you knew how things work in surveillance , you would not be stating this!

if you may please enlighten us on anti sub operations.

Sent from my HUAWEI T8951 using Tapatalk 2

 

[mikhail]

Another joke from ToI. To distinguish a chinese sub from other subs, you will first need their acounstic signatures.
US is the only navy who got a such database.
You have neither the assets or the capabilities to patrol and positively identify all subs in Indian Ocean.

listen mate the Indian Navy is the boss in the IOR and yes we do have that capability of tracking each and every chini sub entering the IOR!your PLAN isn't capable enough to challenge the might of the Indian Navy in the IOR.its like our own backyard and even we have also started to patrol in the SCS region thanks to Vietnam.it isn't such a big deal because at the end of the day we neither the I.N. can challenge PLAN in the SCS region nor can the PLAN challenge the I.N. in the IOR.Period!

 

[DivineHeretic]

subs are being operated underneath the sea water, which makes them difficult to be detected. Even if with anti sub aircraft, you need to be close enough. so if IN detected subs in SL waters, it means IN is in SL waters.

Sent from my HUAWEI T8951 using Tapatalk 2

Not necessarily. Its completely untrue that you need to be right next to a sub to detect one.
Listening stations are spread around the coast of the Indian mainland, and particularly around the island clusters. Then we have the ASuW platforms, that includes airborne systems, the Surface fleet and the submerged fleet. There are constant overlapping patrols on the major entry points into the Indian Ocean. This is standard even in interior regions of the IOR.

What do you think the IN ASW fleet does during the day and night?

Also just to remind you there exists a massive undersea hydrophone network around the island chains and indeed the mallaca straits, listening for any changes in ambient sound, and changes in pressure and temperature, indications of a lurker. Any anomaly is immediately cross referenced via the Bears and/or IN ASW fleet.

Indian Strategy towards the Strait of Malacca - South Asia Journal

Numerous strategic points, listening stations, supplemented by air surveillance units and soundproof submarines, allow the Indian state to monitor most if not all the maritime traffic in the region.This surveillance of maritime traffic includes the Chinese naval components as well. It allows New Delhi not only to analyze its rival's movements, but also complicates Beijing's attempts to enter the IO waters unnoticed with a larger number of combat units.-

 

[nimo_cn]

Not necessarily. Its completely untrue that you need to be right next to a sub to detect one.
Listening stations are spread around the coast of the Indian mainland, and particularly around the island clusters. Then we have the ASuW platforms, that includes airborne systems, the Surface fleet and the submerged fleet. There are constant overlapping patrols on the major entry points into the Indian Ocean. This is standard even in interior regions of the IOR.

What do you think the IN ASW fleet does during the day and night?

Also just to remind you there exists a massive undersea hydrophone network around the island chains and indeed the mallaca straits, listening for any changes in ambient sound, and changes in pressure and temperature, indications of a lurker. Any anomaly is immediately cross referenced via the Bears and/or IN ASW fleet.

Indian Strategy towards the Strait of Malacca - South Asia Journal

Numerous strategic points, listening stations, supplemented by air surveillance units and soundproof submarines, allow the Indian state to monitor most if not all the maritime traffic in the region.This surveillance of maritime traffic includes the Chinese naval components as well. It allows New Delhi not only to analyze its rival's movements, but also complicates Beijing's attempts to enter the IO waters unnoticed with a larger number of combat units.-

Do need to remind you that IN detected subs in SL waters? Whatever platforms you are applying, you need to be SL waters. You set up a listening station in the Malacca straight, that is good, but it only covers the straight, Indian ocean is very big, you cant detect a sub in SL waters without conducting anti sub operations there.

Sent from my HUAWEI T8951 using Tapatalk 2

 

[KS]

We will end up with the same discussion again so no point arguing on this.

The 26 captured story is titled "allegedly captured". So much propaganda happens its hard to believe anyone.

Go read yesterday's Hindu.

 

[Yusuf]

Go read yesterday's Hindu.

The article also says 19 fishermen previously arrested will be released on April 11. 26 fishermen arrested strayed into SL waters.

 

[binayak95]

China's submarines in Indian Ocean worry Indian Navy
Published April 7, 2013 | By admin
SOURCE: HINDUSTAN TIMES



An increasing number of Chinese submarines venturing into the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) pose a grave danger to India's security interests, a classified defence ministry document has revealed.

Citing subsurface contact data shared by US forces, the document said at least 22 contacts were recorded with vessels suspected to be Chinese attack submarines patrolling outside Beijing's territorial waters last year.

It has warned that the "implicit focus" of the Chinese navy appears to be undermining the Indian Navy's edge "to control highly-sensitive sea lines of communication".

The document, titled 'Indian Navy: Perceived Threats to Subsurface Deterrent Capability and Preparedness', has been prepared by the Integrated Defence Staff whose mandate includes advising the government on developing force levels and capabilities. It predicts intense rivalry between the two navies in the next three years as China ramps up its strategic manoeuvres.

The Gwadar port, seen as the latest example of China's 'String of Pearls' — strategic attempts to surround India with facilities that can be upgraded to naval bases — also has the navy worried. The port, located in southwest Pakistan, is operated by China.

The Chinese navy's "extended patrols may fully overlap with the Indian Navy's area of operation," the document said. The IOR stretches from the Horn of Africa to the Malacca Strait and southwards to the western shores of Australia.

It also cautions against the Chinese navy building up "expeditionary maritime capabilities" in the form of nuclear-powered submarines and area denial weapons (anti-ship ballistic missiles) "with deployment focus in the IOR".

The document warned that the Dwadar port would "facilitate enormous command and control capability for prospective Chinese presence in the IOR".

China has set up a network of ports/facilities in Bangladesh (Chittagong), Myanmar (Sittwe and Coco Island), Sri Lanka (Hambantota), Pakistan (Gwadar) and has also secured docking rights in Seychelles, in what some describe as the culmination of the 'String-of-Pearls' strategy.

Experts, however, think the strategy is overrated and will not dilute India's influence in the region.

"Converting a port or token port facilities into a naval base is a huge leap. I don't think China can do that," said strategic affairs expert Rear Admiral (retd) Raja Menon. "Also, any country that allows China to do that will risk India's enmity."

Similarly, defence analyst Commodore (retd) Uday Bhaskar said, "The suggestion that China is strangulating India with a 'String of Pearls' is an exaggeration."


China’s submarines in Indian Ocean worry Indian Navy | idrw.org

 

[nrupatunga]

@ice berg a et al, this quote from the 1st post on this thread should clarify as to how it was identified as chinese subs

Chinese submarine was spotted on sonar in August 2012 during a patrol of Indian and U.S. navy ships

 

[arya]

the main thing is how serious we are ? We will think only when Chinese and pakistani will be 10 km distance from delhi till then coll .