China's Deceptively Weak (and Dangerous) Military

[hbogyt]

Still the Chinese believe that having numbers alone will win war. If the chinese army was truly powerful they would have invaded India long back.

Typical fanboy behaviour to think adversaries dumb.

 

[t_co]

Still the Chinese believe that having numbers alone will win war.

Did you read my post?

If the chinese army was truly powerful they would have invaded India long back.

Why is that the only way for the Chinese army to be powerful?

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Did you read my post?



Why is that the only way for the Chinese army to be powerful?

The way in which your army was doing the incursions into India shows that china wants to prove itself by having a skirmish with India.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Typical fanboy behaviour to think adversaries dumb.

Same thaing goes for you. Do not underestimate your adverseries also my friend. PRC has been showing off too much by saying and thinking that they have shown India who is the big brother in ASIA.

 

[t_co]

The way in which your army was doing the incursions into India shows that china wants to prove itself by having a skirmish with India.

Please elaborate. In what way can you prove that the 'way' in which the PLA was putting up banners on what it itself believed to be Chinese territory means they want to prove themselves by having a skirmish with India?

 

[hbogyt]

Same thaing goes for you. Do not underestimate your adverseries also my friend. PRC has been showing off too much by saying and thinking that they have shown India who is the big brother in ASIA.

Me? Don't make me laugh. Even layman like you seem to know that numbers alone don't win wars. Yet, seasoned Chinese military professional have a hard time grasping it.

 

[no smoking]

The way in which your army was doing the incursions into India shows that china wants to prove itself by having a skirmish with India.

By sending couple of soldiers waving the banner?
Wow, I just wonder what kind of skirmish these Chineses have in their mind: a pillow war?
Having fun, my friend.

 

[lookieloo]

@shiphoneWas there no automatic emergency shutdown mechanism for the boat? Nothing is stated in the article about it. All diesel engines need an emergency shutdown system.

The deaths of the crew seems so unnecessary.

Eastern bloc navies frequently disable safety features on their subs for fear they might deploy by embarrassing accident, be used in a mutiny, or disable warfighting systems at a critical moment. Welded-down emergency buoys and escape capsules have killed more than a few Russian submariners. Stands to reason that the Chinese have similar attitudes.

 

[hbogyt]

Eastern bloc navies frequently disable safety features on their subs for fear they might deploy by embarrassing accident, be used in a mutiny, or disable warfighting systems at a critical moment. Welded-down emergency buoys and escape capsules have killed more than a few Russian submariners. Stands to reason that the Chinese have similar attitudes.

Nope, the Chinese is moving towards a more western doctrine. It doesn't "stand to reason" so. Where in your comment is a logical connection between the soviet doctrine and the Chinese doctrine?

 

[lookieloo]

Nope, the Chinese is moving towards a more western doctrine. It doesn't "stand to reason" so. Where in your comment is a logical connection between the soviet doctrine and the Chinese doctrine?

Communist is as communist does; can't be helped, no matter what superficial features of capitalism/westernism are adopted. Attitudes of your deep-state remain the same; ergo, safety will always be a low-priority.

 

[hbogyt]

Communist is as communist does; can't be helped, no matter what superficial features of capitalism/westernism are adopted. Attitudes of your deep-state remain the same; ergo, safety will always be a low-priority.

Remember to state your assumption in any analysis however ridiculous they are. Let me break them down for you.

That the Chinese culture is still largely Soviet socialist in nature. The Soviets never practiced communism. Another invention by the Americans.

That most in the military subscribe to the same culture.

That the pragmatism adopted is superficial.

That there are no Western educated personnel in the Chinese military.

That there are no Western-cultured personnel in the Chinese military.

That they are so dumb as to regard acts deemed moronic by me and you as appropriate.

You think they don't visit these military fora once in a while?

What do they have to lose from a loss of face?

So many misconceptions and intellectual dishonesty.

"Deep-state"? You mean subliminal thinking? People with high EQ have malleable minds. There are no reason to suggest that the average Chinese EQ is significantly lower, if at all.

 

[lookieloo]

...So many misconceptions and intellectual dishonesty...

That's rich... especially coming from you.
Plagiarism Plague Hinders China's Scientific Ambition : NPR

 

[hbogyt]

That's rich... especially coming from you.
Plagiarism Plague Hinders China's Scientific Ambition : NPR

This sweeping generalisation borders on racism. Instead of tackling the points I raised, you make an ad hominem backed by a citation as if it would lend any credence to your central argument. You deserve to lose this debate henceforth for that. I'm an Australian national. How about that.

Not all Chinese scientists plagiarise. Those who do are likely embolden by the lack of a robust institutional framework and oversight. Nothing suggests that I should lack academic integrity based on the flag I'm flying on this forum. And how does this exonerate you from your intellectual dishonesty?

 

[Ray]

Do you remember they fought and kicked our butt in 1962.They fought in korea/ Vietnam etc.

Agreed they may not have the first hand experience of conducting full scale war, but then except USA and Russia who knows it.

Our experience is limited to Pakistan which imho is a formidable foe unlike PLA.

When analysing the results of any conflict, it must be done holistically.

1962 has good reasons including political will, organisation, terrain and troops being not acclimatised, apart from weaponry as a part of the reason why India lost. Those who have had the experience of high altitude know the importance of acclimatisation.

It maybe recalled that in 1967 (5 years after 1962), the Chinese were given a befitting reply at Cho La and Nathu La. The same army, but acclimatised and better equipped. Then there was the Sumdrong Chu in 1987.

It would be wrong to remain fixated with 1962.

However, there is no doubt that the Chinese are better poised in Tibet than India. That would give China a very great advantage, but then there are issues that are also negative for China.

 

[Ray]

This sweeping generalisation borders on racism. Instead of tackling the points I raised, you make an ad hominem backed by a citation as if it would lend any credence to your central argument. You deserve to lose this debate henceforth for that. I'm an Australian national. How about that.

Not all Chinese scientists plagiarise. Those who do are likely embolden by the lack of a robust institutional framework and oversight. Nothing suggests that I should lack academic integrity based on the flag I'm flying on this forum. And how does this exonerate you from your intellectual dishonesty?

That is an interesting confession.

An Australian (no doubt of Chinese origin) still thinks (s)he is Chinese national and proud to fly a Chinese flag and not the flag of her/his country!

Thus, the Loyalty becomes somewhat incomprehensible to others!

That surely is dangerously deceptive!

 

[hbogyt]

That is an interesting confession.

An Australian (no doubt of Chinese origin) still thinks (s)he is Chinese national and proud to fly a Chinese flag and not the flag of her/his country!

Thus, the Loyalty becomes somewhat incomprehensible to others!




That surely is dangerously deceptive!

I don't think I'm a Chinese national. But the Australian society is still racist, if only at a subconscious level. I don't feel like I've been accepted and my fortune is still partially tied with that of China. The main reason for flying the Chinese flag is that you will eventually figure out that I'm ethnic Chinese. Then I may be falsely accused of masquerading behind another country's flag or something as it happens often online.

It's not dangerous at all. Quit make making all the assumptions. I'm more loyal to Australia than China. I'm just a China sympathiser.

 

[lookieloo]

...Instead of tackling the points I raised...

One does not waste time tackling trolls point-by-point. I'll simply pick out the dumbest thing in each of your posts until you start foaming at the mouth. Crying about how much it sucks to be Chinese in Australia (I'm sure it must be horrible compared to your country of origin) is a good start.

 

[hbogyt]

One does not waste time tackling trolls point-by-point. I'll simply pick out the dumbest thing in each of your posts until you start foaming at the mouth. Crying about how much it sucks to be Chinese in Australia (I'm sure it must be horrible compared to your country of origin) is a good start.

Eh good. I shall not waste time educating you.

You haven't addressed anything.

Edit: you realise that people of your ilk is why OOE doesn't visit this forum anymore.

 

[Ray]

I don't think I'm a Chinese national. But the Australian society is still racist, if only at a subconscious level. I don't feel like I've been accepted and my fortune is still partially tied with that of China. The main reason for flying the Chinese flag is that you will eventually figure out that I'm ethnic Chinese. Then I may be falsely accused of masquerading behind another country's flag or something as it happens often online.

It's not dangerous at all. Quit make making all the assumptions. I'm more loyal to Australia than China. I'm just a China sympathiser.

If you don't think that you are a Chinese national and yet you feel a Chinese because Australians are racists, and so you fly the Chinese flag, then I think you are deceptively dangerous and confused.

It is better you return to China and make peace with yourself.

What's so great about being an ethnic Chinese and flying an Australian flag?

There are Indians out here, who are of Indian origin, but Australian citizens who fly the Australian flag and though maybe sympathetic to India are very Australian in view which are not favourable to India!

So, where is the big deal?

Heard of the fourth generation Chinese Australian Kylie Kwong?

She does a great food show of Asia to include China and dashed proud to be an Australian too!

 

[hbogyt]

If you don't think that you are a Chinese national and yet you feel a Chinese because Australians are racists, and so you fly the Chinese flag, then I think you are deceptively dangerous and confused.

It is better you return to China and make peace with yourself.

What's so great about being an ethnic Chinese and flying an Australian flag?

There are Indians out here, who are of Indian origin, but Australian citizens who fly the Australian flag and though maybe sympathetic to India are very Australian in view which are not favourable to India!

So, where is the big deal?

Heard of the fourth generation Chinese Australian Kylie Kwong?

She does a great food show of Asia to include China and dashed proud to be an Australian too!

I'm not even going to comment on that. You misunderstood my points completely.

By your logic, all Aborigines should be proud of Australia, too. It doesn't happen that way in actuality. Allegiance and pride are different.

Australia allows dual citizenship, so I'm morally justified to fly whatever flag I want.