China Woos Africa - Not Just For Its Resources

[Vladimir79]

"stealing" the jobs? ooops.... that's hilarious, also, very creative
welcome to steal my job (which is high-speed railway engineer, the pay is not bad) if you like, or more accurately, if you bloody can

"stealing jobs" ... what an inspiring word .. tell me what are the bloody ways to steal that?

When Chinese are shipped in by the thousands to dig road beds, nail rail ties, pick the mines, grab the fruits, you are "stealing" jobs Afrikans are fully qualified to handle. How many high speed rail-lines are in Afrika that Chinese engineer --- ZERO!

 

[qilaotou]

When Chinese are shipped in by the thousands to dig road beds, nail rail ties, pick the mines, grab the fruits, you are "stealing" jobs Afrikans are fully qualified to handle. How many high speed rail-lines are in Afrika that Chinese engineer --- ZERO!

You may appeal to Russian government that you Russians prefer to "dig road beds, nail rail ties" yourselves when the high speed rail projects start in Russia soon.

 

[Vladimir79]

You may appeal to Russian government that you Russians prefer to "dig road beds, nail rail ties" yourselves when the high speed rail projects start in Russia soon.

And you may appeal when Russians build your multi-billion dollar nuklear power plants. That is called mutually beneficial trade. Chinese operations in Afrika are exploitative. When was the last time you seen large group of Afrikan nationals working on a project in China??

 

[qilaotou]

If Russians want to bring people to China and do everything youselves it's just fine. It's your decision as to what Chinese labors and how many you need to build the nuclear power station smoothly. I do not think China has the policy to limit how many people the foreign bidders bring along with them. China pays the contract money you do the work within your budget. It would be the same for Chinese projects in Africa. If any country is concerned about this they should put down conditions in the begining or simply deny foreign bidders.

Large group of African colonies do exist in Chinese cities. But it's different stories compared to project work. They are independent traders for small imports/exports.

 

[Vladimir79]

If Russians want to bring people to China and do everything youselves it's just fine. It's your decision as to what Chinese labors and how many you need to build the nuclear power station smoothly. I do not think China has the policy to limit how many people the foreign bidders bring along with them. China pays the contract money you do the work within your budget. It would be the same for Chinese projects in Africa. If any country is concerned about this they should put down conditions in the begining or simply deny foreign bidders.

Well, that isn't how it is. Every country controls how many work permits they allow. Just look at India, they do it right. They kick out all unskilled Chinese workers and only accept the people they need leaving jobs for the locals. China is able to skirt the rules in Afrika with bribery.

Large group of African colonies do exist in Chinese cities. But it's different stories compared to project work. They are independent traders for small imports/exports.

They are mostly illegal aliens on the run. The point is, China does not treat Afrika in an equitable manner. Their business practices are corrupt and explotative. Shipping illegal arms against UN sanctions they signed is just another example of the usery.

 

[qilaotou]

Well, that isn't how it is. Every country controls how many work permits they allow. Just look at India, they do it right. They kick out all unskilled Chinese workers and only accept the people they need leaving jobs for the locals. China is able to skirt the rules in Afrika with bribery.



They are mostly illegal aliens on the run. The point is, China does not treat Afrika in an equitable manner. Their business practices are corrupt and explotative. Shipping illegal arms against UN sanctions they signed is just another example of the usery.

You are out of the topic again. Save those stories to your bedtime. I am done with the "dig and nail" argument.

 

[bengalraider]

China gives $ 10.8 Bn to Africa
CHINA has moved to expand its ties with resource-rich African nations by promising more than $US10 billion ($A10.8 billion) in loans for development at a high-profile summit in Egypt.
Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao announced the preferential loans for infrastructure and social programs at the weekend opening of the two-day China-Africa summit.
The new loans double the amount China pledged at the last meeting in 2006. The debt forgiveness continues a series of annual loan cancellations that goes back to 2006.
Mr Wen told officials of the 49 African nations attending the summit that this year's session ''represents a new stage of development in relations with Africa''.
Besides financial assistance, Mr Wen also promised to form a partnership to tackle climate change in Africa, including building 100 clean-energy projects across the continent.
Beijing will remove tariffs on most exports to China from the least-developed African nations that do not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan, and will sponsor programs in health, education, culture and agriculture.
The gestures are likely to further cement China's good relations with many African nations, and may help tackle concerns that China is replacing Europe as a colonial power.
China's focus on extracting oil and minerals from Africa has drawn criticism from African scholars, and labour and safety conditions at some Chinese-run mines and smelters have prompted protests by African workers.
Critics say the flood of low-cost Chinese goods into African cities has displaced products once made by local workers.
China has long offered low-interest loans to African nations, usually on condition that the money is spent on Chinese-made goods or on projects built by Chinese companies. African governments have accepted the loans, in part because they are free of the conditions often set by international and Western lenders, such as changes in governance.
As a result, China has become a key builder of Africa's infrastructure, including railroads and highways.
The loans and other overtures have turned China into one of Africa's largest trading partners. Trade soared to $US106.8 billion last year from about $US10 billion in 2000; Chinese direct investment in Africa leapt 81 per cent in the first six months of this year to $US552 million, according to the Commerce Ministry.
The loans were promised as China and the West vie to expand their influence in the world's poorest continent.
''Africa's development is an essential part of achieving global development, and as the sincere and dependable friend of Africa, China deeply feels the difficulties and challenges faced by Africa,'' Mr Wen said.
He said China's direct investment in Africa rose 79 per cent to $US900 million in the first half of 2009.
A little-known Chinese company has announced plans for a $US6.6 billion investment in Guinea, the largest the country has had.
The potential deal follows a $US9 billion infrastructure-for-minerals contract with the Democratic Republic of Congo signed in 2008.
Beijing's motives are not purely altruistic, according to Martyn Davies of the Gordon Institute of Business Science at the University of Pretoria. ''In the last 10 years, Africa's growth has been underpinned by Chinese demand for commodities, and to find those and get them out, you need stronger infrastructure,'' he said.
''The Chinese thinking is that Western interests are applying a level of protectionism in commodities markets, and this can disrupt China's potential growth.''
TELEGRAPH, NEW YORK TIMES



http://www.theage.com.au/world/china...1109-i5ca.html

 

[bengalraider]

China is functioning just like any typical business man; exploitation is part of making profits. Weapons and cash Largesses given to unscrupulous African leaders of dubious popularity help china maintain a stranglehold on the African market while also leeching the continent dry of resources . China is simply feeding the hatred Africans have towards one another by providing materials for reigniting tribal conflicts while it reaps the benefits this helps it to conduct business at it's own pace without the threat of control by host governments. China helps maintain a state of lawlessness in Africa because it frees Chinese firms from having to deal with African economic norms.
but in doing all this is china alone to blame -NO.
If china moves out today would other countries take it's place-YES
If china stops selling weapons to Sudan and other African nations would other nations not move in to fill the vacuum- yes they would

 

[Rage]

Important news on China's oil interests in Africa.

Can somebody also please consolidate the various China-Africa economy threads?

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Total sells Nigeria oil stake to China's Sinopec

19 November 2012 l Last updated at 14:37 GMT

Total has announced the sale of its 20% stake in a Nigerian offshore oilfield to the Chinese state-owned Sinopec.

The French oil firm said its Chinese counterpart was paying $2.5bn (£1.6bn) for the stake in the OML 138 oil block.

The block includes the Usan oilfield, which began producing in February, and is jointly owned with Chevron, Exxon and Canada's Nexen.

Total said in September it aimed to sell $15bn-$20bn in oil assets by 2014 to raise cash for new projects.

The sale, which will be paid for in cash, still needs to be approved by the Nigerian authorities.

The Nigerian state oil company, NNPC, holds the concession on the oilfield.

"Usan accounts for less than 10% of the group's equity production in Nigeria," said Yves-Louis Darricarrère, who heads up Total's oil drilling business.

"This sale of an asset operated from a minority position will allow us to focus our resources on the material growth opportunities in Total's portfolio."

Sinopec's purchase is just the latest example of China buying up commodities and developing mineral resources in Africa.

However, it comes at a time when the Chinese economy has slowed its rapid growth. Last month, Sinopec reported a drop in profits in the three months to September, due to weak Chinese demand for petrochemicals.


BBC News - Total sells Nigeria oil stake to China's Sinopec

 

[nrupatunga]

China in Africa: How the Lion Should Tame the Dragon

China became Africa's largest individual trading partner in 2011, with trade rising from US$129.6 billion in 2010 to US$160 billion in 2011. However, in many cases African leaders have failed to leverage their natural resources (which include oil, precious metals, copper, coal, uranium, cobalt, and diamonds) to promote Africa's economic development and growth. While China's human rights record and business practices in Africa have never been exceptional or transparent, China's actions in Africa, are, for the most part, within the "rules" of the environment created by Africa's leadership.

Sudan, South Sudan, and Angola, three of China's biggest African trading partners, provide a comprehensive view of how China has used Africa's weak political institutions and leadership to its advantage.

resource-rich economies have only received 37 percent of China's FDI on the continent. The majority of China's investments have been in non-resource rich economies, such as Tanzania, Ethiopia and Rwanda.

In forming these economic relationships, African leaders would do well to take a leaf from China's book. The Chinese government makes it extremely difficult for foreigners to wholly own businesses in China, ensuring that local firms grow and benefit from exposure to international investors. The simplest way for a foreign enterprise to gain equity exposure to the Chinese market is through a joint venture with a Chinese firm or partner. There are, of course, exceptions to the rule, but the main goal of Chinese policymakers is for Chinese companies to benefit from these relationships. Similarly, African firms need to form international partnerships that are advantageous for Africa, allowing it to develop skilled human capital, provide access to knowledge transfer, and capture technical know-how—all crucial for growth on the continent.

China's hunger for African resources is massive. Without access to these resources, it is unlikely that China can sustain its current economic growth rates. In short, China needs Africa. African leaders, if they are genuine in their desire for Africa's development, should use China's reliance on Africa's resources and leverage their position to negotiate beneficial social and economic agreements with their trading partners. The lion should tame the dragon by mimicking on its own turf how the dragon conducts business with foreign investors.

 

[thirdartillery]

Hindi Bhais plant rose and sell rice there. Hindi Bhais the asian lions tamed'em afro-lions, Hindi Bhais the asian lions also mated with afro-lions to produce Indo-afro cross lions, there will be no place for dragons in Africa, Dragon is a legendary animals anyways. dragonflies are real, but this insect in nothing compared with Asia Lion Ji, Jai Hindi.

 

[badguy2000]

Who gives a flip? We aren't talking about your working class, we are talking about your workers stealing jobs from local Afrikans. If your workers are making more than 1500 quid, your managers are bloody fools when they can get a local to do it for 50.

1. Afrian countries can not build railways,road,seaports and minal plant at all,without the helps from CHina and other industrialized countries.
Thus, the jobs are created by investment from China.....
Before that, those jobs do not exist at all....How can CHinese workers steal jobs that do not exist at all?


2. most of local africans are not qualifed workers at all.most of they are illiterated and lack of skills. Furthermore, they are lack of awareness of laws and disciplines.
In any fair play, most of local africans workers are not the rival of Chinese workers,who are skilled,literated and disciplined.
African workers can not find jobs, just because they are losers of a fair play. the rules of market economy workes here....employers always like more efficient employees.

 

[badguy2000]

China is functioning just like any typical business man; exploitation is part of making profits. Weapons and cash Largesses given to unscrupulous African leaders of dubious popularity help china maintain a stranglehold on the African market while also leeching the continent dry of resources . China is simply feeding the hatred Africans have towards one another by providing materials for reigniting tribal conflicts while it reaps the benefits this helps it to conduct business at it's own pace without the threat of control by host governments. China helps maintain a state of lawlessness in Africa because it frees Chinese firms from having to deal with African economic norms.
but in doing all this is china alone to blame -NO.
If china moves out today would other countries take it's place-YES
If china stops selling weapons to Sudan and other African nations would other nations not move in to fill the vacuum- yes they would

before Europeans landed on Africa in 1500, Africa had been lawless for thousands of years....

it is African own faulty that Africa is lawless and hopelss.

If Afican could not buy guns ,they would still kill each other with knives...

 

[Ray]

before Europeans landed on Africa in 1500, Africa had been lawless for thousands of years....

it is African own faulty that Africa is lawless and hopelss.

If Afican could not buy guns ,they would still kill each other with knives...

Not an intelligent or well researched opinion.

Africa was never lawless.

They had tribal customs and law and that worked.

European laws and way of life need not be the acme of law!

The Khans ravaged China That is what we feel in contemporary times, but were the Khanates lawless. They ensured the law by the sword. But there was law.

The Chinese claimed all but Han were barbarians and were ruthless with such people. Was that fair? But that was the Han way to ensure law and order and convert all to their ways.

Manchus made the Han wear pigtails by law. Reprehensible by contemporary standards, but correct in those times!

In the olden times, it was an eye for an eye in the Middle East. That ensured law. Likewise, even Saudi Arabia has some horrid laws, but law and order they maintain.

So, what is law?

 

[Ray]

Africa Before the Europeans


In the time period between 300 and 1400 there were many advanced civilizations in Africa. This was the time period before Europeans arrived in Africa. Songhai, Mali and Ghana were three cities in Africa that were well developed before Europeans arrived in Africa in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries.

Songhai was one of the best developed communities in Africa during the time. Songhai was home of the center of trade Timbuktu. Timbuktu had everything they had many doctors, judges, priests and merchants. Everyone around Songhai would come and sell there written books and other merchandise for gold or other merchandise. Salt was sold here and was a great demand Timbuktu was also the center of learning people bought and sold books and were taught by well learned men and were maintained at the king's costs. Timbuktu became such a well grown city due to its location. It was located on the bend of the Niger River so travelers would stop by and buy and sell and also I was located in the middle of all the other tribes. Timbuktu helped develop the Songhai Empire due to all the travelers and movers migrating in to Songhai.

Another advanced civilization in Africa was Mali or otherwise known as "where the king dwells". It got this name from the emperor Mansa Musa. He is well known by people because of his generosity and wealthy ness. Mansa Musa would give away gold to everyone not one person would not receive a sum of gold according to and Egyptian official. Mali is known for its Islamic society and government which helped further develop the Mali Empire.

Ghana was another advanced civilization in Africa. Ghana was the center of trade in the gold-salt trade. People from all over came here because of the busy trade, safety, location, and organization. Ghana can be considered an advanced civilization due to its surplus of food, wealth from trade, income from taxes, social organization, justice, political control, strong army, advanced weapons and peace and cooperation. All of this wealth came from the gold-salt trade. Ghana however also had an advanced political structure. Ghana's government was more complex than many others during the time. There were many jobs in the government such as king, governors, subordinate kings and ministers. All of theses jobs led to political control and organization which helped build the empire strong.

Europeans were not the first to have an advances society and this is clearly shown. The Songhai Empire was advanced due to its exceedingly good trading and learning. Mali Empire can be considered advanced due to wealthy ness and Islamic society and government. And lastly Ghana Empire was advanced due to its good trade, protection and complex government. These civilizations all occurred before the Europeans arrived in Africa in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. Without these great achievements our world would be very different today.

Africa Before the Europeans - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

 

[bengalraider]

@Badguy - even if the African population still wants to kill each other with knives it still does not give china any legal or moral right to support them in killing each other by supplying arms . Au contriare as a developed nation it is china's prerogative and duty to help establish proper governmental structures guaranteeing peace and prosperity to the people in the nations where china has investments. china sadly does just the opposite.

 

[badguy2000]

@Badguy - even if the African population still wants to kill each other with knives it still does not give china any legal or moral right to support them in killing each other by supplying arms . Au contriare as a developed nation it is china's prerogative and duty to help establish proper governmental structures guaranteeing peace and prosperity to the people in the nations where china has investments. china sadly does just the opposite.

what china does with Africa is not charity deeds,but business.....or money for resource....that is a fair play.

as for weapons exported to African, all depends on the intention of African buyer...
If African was wise enough,the weapons they buy will be good tools to defend their countries.

But case is that they are so stupid and unwise to use those weapons to kill each other...


BTW, it is loser's logic to believe that all are other's faults and never to think how to change the reaility with their own hands.

 

[badguy2000]

BTW, China is not a developed country. CHina once was a loser,but We Chinese always change our fate with our own hand .


If african were not to change such a loser's logic and mentality ,they would be always losers.