China will build the world largest Landing Assault Ships

[GromHellscream]

I have a sense that French or Spanish shipyards will get new orders in next few years right after these ships' emergence,
as long as the bargain doesn't last a decade long.

No matter who will get it, they should thank China first for injecting big requires on international weapon purchase market.

 

[badguy2000]

I have a sense that French or Spanish shipyards will get new orders in next few years right after these ships' emergence,
as long as the bargain doesn't last a decade long.

No matter who will get it, they should thank China first for injecting big requires on international weapon purchase market.

well, not everyone can afford the investment on navy as heavy as CHina......

Furthermore,among those who can afford such heavy investment on navy, not everyone owns industry capacity as mighty as CHina.....

after all, money is the source of all power.....industry is base the might

for example...Russia has industy might but has no enough money..while S. Arabia has enough money but has no enough industry might.

 

[badguy2000]

well, not everyone can afford the investment on navy as heavy as CHina......

after all, money is the source of all power.....industry is base the might

btw, I heard a news just now that the total revenue of CHinese government in the post 10 month this year has reached 10 trillion RMB( about 1.6 trillion USD)....

So, the total revenue of Chinese government this year might be more than 13 trillion RMB(2 trillion USD),even exclude huge land-granting fund ( 0.5 trillion USD in 2011).

that is to say......CHinese government might be richest on the earth.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The use of such force ? indeed its a very ambitious plan but where such a force will operate and what is the tactical aim & Strategic aim of investing in such a large force ?

If there is no practical implication, why waste resources ? when it will spend majority of its time in docks..

 

[Defcon 1]

I still don't get it. If you load such a ship with helis, it is good enough only for those knife fights with SE Asian countries. Against any country with a decent SAM system, such ships will be useless.

Given that, countries like Vietnam could easily counter by buying S300 from Russia.

 

[badguy2000]

The use of such force ? indeed its a very ambitious plan but where such a force will operate and what is the tactical aim & Strategic aim of investing in such a large force ?

If there is no practical implication, why waste resources ? when it will spend majority of its time in docks..

As Rear Admiral Yin ZHuo said on CCTV yesterday,such a big LAS can be deployed in East China sea or South CHina sea..

and Z10 and Z19 can be deployed on the ships

 

[Kunal Biswas]

As Rear Admiral Yin ZHuo said on CCTV yesterday,such a big LAS can be deployed in East China sea or South CHina sea..

40,000 ton for backing Surveillance ships ?

Given that, countries like Vietnam could easily counter by buying S300 from Russia.

They have it..

 

[Yusuf]

Not to mention that these huge ships will require large number of escorts too. It will be fun to watch the chinese play checkers in the international geopolitical arena because it is hated by so many countries.

 

[Rage]

You think? China will not be able to sustain such an op. Long term future yes. Not near term for sure. China does not have friends and bases like the West combine has. That is why China will not be able to mount an expeditionary op. Just making larger ship will not be enough.

But what of their allies in Africa, I'm thinking Angola, Nigeria- where China controls 45% of all offshore oil reserves- and Côte d'Ivoire.

S America is out of the question. The US will never allow landing bases so close to home. But Africa, given their growing economic leverage, might just be something the Chinese could be more optimistic about.

If they have planned for such tonnage, they will eventually have planned to sustain it.

 

[Yusuf]

But what of their allies in Africa, I'm thinking Angola, Nigeria- where China controls 45% of all offshore oil reserves- and Côte d'Ivoire.

S America is out of the question. The US will never allow landing bases so close to home. But Africa, given their growing economic leverage, might just be something the Chinese could be more optimistic about.

If they have planned for such tonnage, they will eventually have planned to sustain it.

That depends on their relations with India. India too has huge interests in Africa. Any large expedition force will have to pass our stronghold.

The other thing to consider is why will china send such a force to Africa in the first place?

Or are you suggesting they will use Africa as a base? If yes, to target what? Europe? I really dont think the Chinese will be able to send an expeditionary force to Europe no matter how big they get economically or militarily. They will end up being huge target practices for the West combine.

 

[Rage]

That depends on their relations with India. India too has huge interests in Africa. Any large expedition force will have to pass our stronghold.

The other thing to consider is why will china send such a force to Africa in the first place?

Or are you suggesting they will use Africa as a base? If yes, to target what? Europe? I really dont think the Chinese will be able to send an expeditionary force to Europe no matter how big they get economically or militarily. They will end up being huge target practices for the West combine.

I'm envisaging a scenario where they could use these for power projection or to secure their assets against states or rebel groups in states where they have vast economic interests on a volatile continent- Africa.

Or closer to home, in any (doomsday) scenario of invasion of Taiwan or perhaps even disputed islands like Senkakou.

If you assume each of these vessels can ferry about 1,800 combat troops, that would make for a likely scenario.

 

[Yusuf]

I'm envisaging a scenario where they could use these for power projection or to secure their assets against states or rebel groups in states where they have vast economic interests on a volatile continent- Africa.

Or closer to home, in any (doomsday) scenario of invasion of Taiwan or perhaps even disputed islands like Senkakou.

If you assume each of these vessels can ferry about 1,800 combat troops, that would make for a likely scenario.

Again depends on where India fits in. Africa is there to be grabbed by all. So who will be the enemies of China. If it is against any major country, then how will it counter. If it is say against any rebel forces, then who will be funding or arming the rebels. Again one of the major powers will be arming and supporting the rebels. Chinese armada will have to pass through Indian and US controlled seas.

India is basing MKIs in Tamil Nadu and in all likelihood in the Andamans. MKIs armed with Brahmos. hmmm. Good luck.

 

[ice berg]

Again depends on where India fits in. Africa is there to be grabbed by all. So who will be the enemies of China. If it is against any major country, then how will it counter. If it is say against any rebel forces, then who will be funding or arming the rebels. Again one of the major powers will be arming and supporting the rebels. Chinese armada will have to pass through Indian and US controlled seas.

India is basing MKIs in Tamil Nadu and in all likelihood in the Andamans. MKIs armed with Brahmos. hmmm. Good luck.

A strange post. What does arms trade got to do with Indian basing MKIs to China building LHA?

So to answer your question: India dont fit in anywhere. It is a chinese LHA. The first of three.

Just wait til the cruisers show up in a few years time...

 

[DaTang]

Again depends on where India fits in. Africa is there to be grabbed by all. So who will be the enemies of China. If it is against any major country, then how will it counter. If it is say against any rebel forces, then who will be funding or arming the rebels. Again one of the major powers will be arming and supporting the rebels. Chinese armada will have to pass through Indian and US controlled seas.

India is basing MKIs in Tamil Nadu and in all likelihood in the Andamans. MKIs armed with Brahmos. hmmm. Good luck.

You guys always assume too much, you are not on our radar at all, these ship are build for possible conflict with Japan or US....
Why do you always have such a victim complex?

Air based cruise missiles need to be stealthy, the design of Brahmos cannot be improved to be stealthy.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Childish comment, ever heard about ECCMS ? I am sure you dont..

Air based cruise missiles need to be stealthy, the design of Brahmos cannot be improved to be stealthy.

 

[nimo_cn]

Any effort by China to build up military forces is just a waste of time and money, China could be better off to just stay where she is.

Sent from Huawei Ascend T8830

 

[DaTang]

Childish comment, ever heard about ECCMS ? I am sure you dont..

Electronic Counter Counter Measures won't do you any good as using a lot acronyms, hahah, and believe me Russian and US won't sell you their ESPS (do you know what this Acronym stands for?) but with this being said, airborne Brahmos is still the best way out for this missile.

 

[DaTang]

Any effort by China to build up military forces is just a waste of time and money, China could be better off to just stay where she is.

Sent from Huawei Ascend T8830

Totally, agreed.

 

[J20!]

I still don't get it. If you load such a ship with helis, it is good enough only for those knife fights with SE Asian countries. Against any country with a decent SAM system, such ships will be useless.

Given that, countries like Vietnam could easily counter by buying S300 from Russia.

No not really. Look at the entire system, not the only the platform. The correct question would be where does such a ship fit in within the PLAN's needs?

1. Amphibious capability: Right now, China's massive amphibious force currently consists of mostly LST's, which while being excellent force multipliers for the frontline Type 071 LPD's, don't have the legs to support operations more than 1000nm away from Chinese waters. Thus their role in reality ends with providing amphibious cover for China's many Islands and maritime territories (including Taiwan).

Considered in conjunction with the 28000ton full load Type 071 LPD's, such a force would provide a significant amphibious spearhead, providing a springboard from which thousands of PLAMC(People's Liberation Army Marine Corps) marines could be inserted into any theater within the Pacific and Indian Ocean. A task force of 1 circa 40000ton LHD and 2 28000 ton 071's could conceivably land and support more or less 2000 troops.

2. Humanitarian needs: A ship capable of operating and supporting 38 helicopters as well as landing craft/hovercraft anywhere along China's coast would be a massive humanitarian aid boost considering flood happy Pacific weather as well as the need to provide humanitarian aid to foreign countries within the Pacific and beyond.

3. ASW capability: Large LHD's are also massive ASW assets inherent of their ability to base large numbers of ASW helicopters which in turn, can clear a large area of unwanted submarines to open the way for other operations.

With this platform, the PLAN would have all the necessary components for far ocean amphibious operations as demonstrated by the ongoing Anglo-French Corsican Lion amphibious drills. An aircraft carrier, LHD's, multiple ocean going LPD's, ASW escorts, SSN escort, capable at sea replenishment support, area air defense destroyers for long range aircover and capable high speed ship-to-shore connectors(large carriage, long-range hovercraft).

But lets wait and see what the PLAN eventually commissions, or at least for a shipyard launch...

 

[GromHellscream]

Simply I will call it an Island Chain Liberator! Ok, I'm joking.

Long range fighters like MKI can form a defence umbrella around an island if they are efficiently guided. Considering the position of indian islands out of Malacca and the fighter's long range, it has formed a block to the entrance of Indian Ocean. That's what they are talking about all the time.

To counter this kind of deniable block, that's what USN is always focused on in situations about Taiwan. China can learn a lot from US in this aspect.