You mean to imply, Sino-Jap differences have resulted in third party gaining profits ? Only Japs are in loss ? China didn't take any hits ?
China warns Japan against stationing workers on disputed isles
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Amoy, any thoughts on following ?
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/07/16/china-bans-ramadan-for-uighurs/
Kazakhstan extradites Uighur who helped publicise China's brutal suppression of riots - Telegraph
Xinjiang Riots Anniversary: Continued Suppression of Uighurs - New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD TV)
Before spewing venom on others, you might want to review your own policies...
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@kseeker Chinese Uyghur extremists are terrorists but Moro Islamic Liberation Front - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in PHL is fighting for freedom.
As simple as it is.
After Uyghur being so much in the limelight, it's high time for the international community to pay heed to plight of Muslims in Philippines and India!
Then what would u like to say on the Diaoyu stalemate?
As simple as it is.
After Uyghur being so much in the limelight, it's high time for the international community to pay heed to plight of Muslims in Philippines and India!
Then what would u like to say on the Diaoyu stalemate?
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@amoy,
Your statements implies - Uyghur Muslims of China are terrorists and the Jihadi Muslims in PHL, India are Saints or Freedom fighters ? Wow, wonderful !
Diaoyu stalemate? - It might be a stalemate for Chinese or Taiwanese, Japs have already claimed those islands. China can only shout and show it's military might and try to intimidate Japs, that's it. Nothing would going to change.
Your statements implies - Uyghur Muslims of China are terrorists and the Jihadi Muslims in PHL, India are Saints or Freedom fighters ? Wow, wonderful !
Diaoyu stalemate? - It might be a stalemate for Chinese or Taiwanese, Japs have already claimed those islands. China can only shout and show it's military might and try to intimidate Japs, that's it. Nothing would going to change.
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@Compersion Neither ROC nor PRC was a party to the Treaty of San Francisco, which was never ratified.
Chinese claim over Diaoyu is legitimate as it was lost in First Sino-Japanese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia based on Cairo Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and Potsdam Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is not only about territory but also about the world order set by victors of WW2 including China who was a founding member of UN.
On Sino-Japan Trade, Japan's trade deficit with China rises in 2012|Economy|chinadaily.com.cn
Japan has been hurt more than China. Most of Japanese investment in China is for domestic sales in China.
Why Diaoyu is important? EEZ Dispute >> East China Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Red line is what Japan claims, with Diaoyu on its side
Blue line is EEZ Taiwan claims
Yellow dashed line is what PRC claims
Green dot & Red X are Chinese gas fields
Its good to have a healthy debate. And what you share is of interest and increases knowledge. Obviously you have the right to say what you think and people have the right to respond. Please don't take it personally also please don't think someone is anit-PRC and pro-japan. People like to read and when something warrants an opinion on what is really happening and developing they make it:
Firstly what does it mean by there is a stalemate !! :shocked:
The first Japanese war was in 1895. What happened after that and what was the consequence of that. Please dont put links without explaining your point. And what does the Cairo declaration have to do with Firs Sino-Japanese war. Please elaborate to show how that makes the PRC claim legitimate.
In your analysis fail to consider the Treaty of Taipei and the Treaty of Shimonoseki. Also the Treaty of San Francisco was signed by whom. Would like to hear your thoughts and legal claim by PRC with those in mind.
Next is the United States of America: What is the USA position in this entire situation and have you asked them. Has anyone asked them. And why would they have a position. People say that the islands came under US government occupation in 1945 after the surrender of Japan ended World War II. Why would the Americans get occupation. Whats the position between 1945 and 1971.
The above are important (legal) questions for PRC and Taiwan and Japan. Because they require discussion and analysis it does not mean one party can suddenly become over aggressive to underscore their supposed claim. Over aggressive to the extreme that has the potential to unbalance the region. You know a bit like the dispute with Philippines. Why PRC is involved there. Such things It ought to be settled in international fora even talk in united nations why ratchet up like a school boy. Be mature and remember Deng Xiaoping (more on that later).
On the islands you said a claim was first made by Taiwan because of Oil in 1970s. From what you say this ought to be a Taiwanese and Japanese problem at most. Why is PRC involved and why is it PRC and Japan problem. Like I said Taiwan has good relationship with Japan and much better compared to PRC. Dont underestimate the goodwill between Taiwan and Japan. I am sure they are talking behind PRC. The protester mentioned above was Taiwanese not from PRC.
Also the gas fields (green dot and red x) are they in international waters, Japanese waters, PRC waters, Taiwanese waters.
"Taipei declines Beijing's invitation to solve disputed territory issues together"
Radio Taiwan International
The reason for the development of this nationalistic exercise by PRC is for internal and Taiwanese consumption (make them like PRC more and strengthen one china principle). Something akin to PRC supporting a Taiwan protest and claim. The question is did Taiwan ask for such help.
You mention a good point in that there is oil. It ought to be settled in international fora even talk in united nations why ratchet up like a school boy. Oil does make sovereign states bend the rules to their interests. Is PRC bending the rules.
The theme that also runs through the above posts is that PRC is now very powerful and important economically and others will undergo disadvantage and even suffer if they dont covenant with its huge developing market. Its loud and clear that PRC is powerful and can assert itself onto others and stretch the paradigm. But the parties involved are not all weak and have value.
I don't want to use PRC statistics (credibility issues) that you provide and the USA also has a deficit with PRC. If Japan boycotts PRC because of its over aggressiveness the hit will be huge. Japan and USA relationship is what.
Also the South Korean relationship depends on USA. Taiwan also has good relationship with USA. (Yep if you get it the common words are USA). If PRC gets too aggressive with Japan they will react economically with USA endorsement. It will not only be a Japanese boycott.
I will only say Japan is valuable to PRC and the PRC leadership knows the value of Japan. Japan knows its value to PRC. When the PRC riots happened there was a sudden rush to destroy Japanese products like from Sony and Panasonic. Why was that stopped. Why were the riots allowed (does the islands dispute play the tune for internal reasons)
The PRC middle class will only grow if there is peace especially with its neighbors (the list is growing with Vietnam, Philippines, Japan and others). Right now the PRC middle class for selling goods is not a market. It is a manufacturing hub that assembles goods. The middle class has potential but that requires peace, time and different skill set to develop. Probably it is easier to be aggressive to others to maintain internal harmony and stability (must play a part into why).
I ask you again tell me what is the problem and solution to the island problem. What's the problem to Japan (they have a USA umbrella don't forget and will have their approval for their position).
Why PRC is involved and does internal consumption and strengthening of one china policy play a role.
Is that why you have said there is a Stalemate. You don't want to anger the Japanese too much. You dont want the internal situation get flamed too much. You dont want Taiwan position mentioned too often.
Deng Xiaoping said on PRC behavior and foreign policy something along the lines that PRC has to be modest, reserved and not be arrogant as well as not be cocky and focus on internal development silently. Do you mind to get me that quote - I remember reading it and what he said has a truth to it.
Added later:
Deng Xiaoping's "24 character" guideline for China's foreign policy from the early 1990s: "keep a low profile and achieve something" (taoguang yanghui, yousuo zuowei).
Is it valid - has it been changed is that why there is more aggression.
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china lose on the poltical stage but didn't lose much on the economy stage. most stuff that china make can't shift to other coutry for manufacture that quickly. most the electronics which is huge part of japan economy are made in china. japan need to invest in other country in order to avoid purchasing from china, so far non of japan industry made the move because they already spend billions invest in china manufacture/equipment/trainning/tech center etc.
90%+ walmart stuff are made in china, same with many japanese retail stores. which mean if japanese want to purchase forgien make products, they will have to spend alot time searching for it.
i sometime try to buy american low-mid tech products but its so diffcult now, i just give up on it. least my ammo are made in US.
the problem is for normal household item, china is dominate the market, so people can't even buy from other source taht easilly. especially japan is an export oriented country.
even if japanese buying foriegn products apple, samsung, dell, hp, etc, those are made in china anyway. also china has hold on rare earth supply.
So what who about east turmikistan then?Philippines govmt's suppression of Muslims is outrageous. The international community must intervene to stop your human right abuses and give Muslim freedom fighters support.
Philippine Muslim rebels launch bold raid on southern port
Anything happened in your dream?
Really are they killing you han B@sterd
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