China-Vietnam War (1979~1989)

[niceguy2011]

We don't care the 25 boat now, becoz after back off of viet, we already won.
It's the only thing US and phippinese can do . And hell time for US and phillinese are close.LOL

I don't believe that China will take a confrontational approaches towards her neighbors, you can see, the Philippines just took 25 fishing boats away from China, if China is really threatening, like to strike at a provoke , then the Philippines will not dare to take the boats away. Now China only wish to develop up the country, to bid the time, have no intention to get any problems with anybody, I think after 15 or 20years, when China really build up the industry and military, then the USA will find out that China is really mean a peaceful rise, not a threat, but a partner, so many disputes around China will vanish then. For the last 30years since the last clash with VN, China never fought another war with nobody, but the USA always in war with somebody, who is the trouble maker you can clearly see.
I believe there are many way to archive the goal, the unwise one is by confrontation, the worst is by war. After WW II, the big powers only group up to beat the small ones, you know.

 

[coccafedang]

ohimalaya;
1) China is not that ambitious to become another 'super' power in parallel with the US and her 'rise' has been overhyped somehow.
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Infact, Chinese goverment is proving that's the truth by their activities!

2) Sino-VN relationship is not ideology based. The same goes for geopolitics worldwide. Besides, though both brand theirs as "Socialsm" VN and China are distinctively different
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Indeed! But anyway, China and VN are still communist countries, and communism always be US's concern! Of course, USA always be enemy of Communist Governments....

3) Is VCP still enjoying a broad buy-in of its policies among Vietnamese and able to retain its leading position in the years to come? The dissidence seems gaining momentum.
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OF course, and VCP is still trying to consolidate their power, their position... There are difference between VCP and CCP's policies. CCP make policies in their will and force Chinese to obey. VCP make policies in both their will and Vietnamese will, and convince Vietnamese to follow. So iF VCP want to maintain their power, they must meet the demands of Vietnamese people. In recent times, they are:
- Economic development
- improvement of People's living condition
- Anti Corruption
- Territorial conservation


4) Of course VN can always expect powers like Soviet Union, the US and even India as leverage to keep China in check. But bear in mind on the contrary those powers'd rather have VN to play as a cat's paw than get themselves directly quagmired. For the US enough is enough, Afganistan, and Iraq. Review how South VN was abandoned.
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VN does not want to depend on any super power nation. Even if VN is an ally of some countries, VN will never accept to be their
puppet. So "helps" and "supports" do not mean presence of foreign mititary forces. Weapons, Equipments, Informations, Spy, Politic supports are enough. Vietnamese can deal directly with any invasion.
AFganistan, Iraq was just the past. US troops will withdraw in the end of this year.
Egypt, Tusina, Syria and Lybia is noW US interest. Why? Billion dollars of Chinese invested here. Let's think twice...

5) VN may always appeal to 'Nationalism" . Nationalism is taking grip of every contender. Then deadlocked ? A realistic approach may be "joint exploraton while shelfing the territorial dispute".
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Yes. Infact, only Communism can not gain fully support of VN people. But Nationalism can do that. Deadlock is made by whom?
The problem is China is making the "non-dispute area" to "dispute area"... 20 years ago, it was just Spraty and Paracel. Now, it's the whole South China Sea or East Sea

 

[coccafedang]

Again, u have no choice.
if u become ally of US , we will kill u and not one can help u.LOL
btw , ur gov is smart enough. US said though Phippline at earlier this week" we will always support U...."
but ur chairman sign the agreement with us the next day. after that agreement ,u can see US and phillinese had a war game.
LOL

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Well, I think that you don't have chances to watch news often, or CCTV did not let you know...
When Mr Nguyen Phu Trong, President of Vietnam Communist Party visited China, signed a co operation agreement...
Mr Truong Tan Sang, president of Socialist republic oF VN, was visiting India, signed a contract of buying Brahmos missile and have a Navy co operation agreement...
Mr Nguyen Tan Dung, Prime minister, was visiting EU countries, signed a contract of buying aircraft C-295, EC-225, buying Sigma warships of Dutch Damen Ship buiding Company....
Sometimes policy is not simple as you see, guys!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Who knows we might give 50-100 Updated T-72s to Vietnam too, As we did in Nepal..

 

[niceguy2011]

U can deny any thing if u want. But we can see who is unhappy and jumping now. (US and his slaves :SK, philipine)LOL

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Well, I think that you don't have chances to watch news often, or CCTV did not let you know...
When Mr Nguyen Phu Trong, President of Vietnam Communist Party visited China, signed a co operation agreement...
Mr Truong Tan Sang, president of Socialist republic oF VN, was visiting India, signed a contract of buying Brahmos missile and have a Navy co operation agreement...
Mr Nguyen Tan Dung, Prime minister, was visiting EU countries, signed a contract of buying aircraft C-295, EC-225, buying Sigma warships of Dutch Damen Ship buiding Company....
Sometimes policy is not simple as you see, guys!

 

[agentperry]

its a fact that chinese gave a good punishment to vietnam during war. vietnam being smaller got many blows during the disaster time and took long to recover. they still cant stand against chinese but yes bravado is also into their genes. India and more specifically USA interference will deteriorate the situation. whereas usa is facing problems(internal) India is not capable enough to give china a fight in their waters.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

its a fact that chinese gave a good punishment to vietnam during war. vietnam being smaller got many blows during the disaster time and took long to recover. they still cant stand against chinese but yes bravado is also into their genes. India and more specifically USA interference will deteriorate the situation. whereas usa is facing problems(internal) India is not capable enough to give china a fight in their waters.

Its a fact Chinese suffered casualty beyond the limits assumed by themselves..
Committed genocide in frustration..

Vietnam have a history of War and in Every war they are the ruler of their Land..
The Key to their victory:1. Strong Will to fight and win..
2. Geography..
3. Skilled in Jungle and Mountain fighting..

Out there and here in both cases Geography play a strong role, Chinese attacked so does US made and punched backed, If again same result will happen again..

India & US never will fight China directly but fight via Vietnam..
Btw, We are very capable of putting pressure on China as their life line in our hands, We dont even need to go in China sea..

 

[DMF]

Its a fact Chinese suffered casualty beyond the limits assumed by themselves..
Committed genocide in frustration..

Vietnam have a history of War and in Every war they are the ruler of their Land..
The Key to their victory:1. Strong Will to fight and win..
2. Geography..
3. Skilled in Jungle and Mountain fighting..

Out there and here in both cases Geography play a strong role, Chinese attacked so does US made and punched backed, If again same result will happen again..

India & US never will fight China directly but fight via Vietnam..
Btw, We are very capable of putting pressure on China as their life line in our hands, We dont even need to go in China sea..

Please not count on VN to fight on your behalf, this will not happen, now VN is trying to use India to balance China, China will fight a war for the next 15years or 20years. China does not like any body to disturb her development. China is now busy making things, will make a big stick, also now planting some carrot, still not ready.
NV friend in the forum post some photos of their army, the elite Da Chong, look at the bear foot soldiers, they are still in the 1970's, how come VN will fight China?
Its very stupid the talk about wars between major countries, there will be too much damage. You can see the USA, understand clearly that China is the enemy No. one, but only beat the small countries, the take the geopolitical advantage to contain China, but not have war with China.
India also will not fight China, India can not even organize a common wealth sports game, how come to organize a much more complicated war against a more powerful country?

 

[Armand2REP]

We don't care the 25 boat now, becoz after back off of viet, we already won.

Chicoms are the only ones that can claim victory that doesn't exist. LOL

 

[Ray]

Please not count on VN to fight on your behalf, this will not happen, now VN is trying to use India to balance China, China will fight a war for the next 15years or 20years. China does not like any body to disturb her development. China is now busy making things, will make a big stick, also now planting some carrot, still not ready.
NV friend in the forum post some photos of their army, the elite Da Chong, look at the bear foot soldiers, they are still in the 1970's, how come VN will fight China?
Its very stupid the talk about wars between major countries, there will be too much damage. You can see the USA, understand clearly that China is the enemy No. one, but only beat the small countries, the take the geopolitical advantage to contain China, but not have war with China.
India also will not fight China, India can not even organize a common wealth sports game, how come to organize a much more complicated war against a more powerful country?

India does not want to fight China.

It is just that India wants China to understand and respect the International Law of the Sea.

And if it means that China will attack Vietnam, our friends, then India will have no options but to help them.

The CWG went of well and so India can organise. The problem is that we unearthed the corruption, the same which you had in the Olympics, but could not unearth. Organisation and corruption are two different kettle of fish.

China's big stick can find recess where the Chinese might find it a trifle painful. Like the last China Vietnam war!

The US is not going to attack China, but she is still waging a silent war wherein they have got you on the Capitalist gravy train through Deng.

The Chinese now understand the power of money. The peace and calm that was there under the communists of Mao's genre and Mao's regime is over. Now it is a mad rush to make money or perish. The divides are getting greater between the urban and the rural and between the haves and have nots. Corruption is on the rise. The infrastructure built in a rush to showcase is collapsing, like that bridge collapse and the high speed railway accidents.

Lopsided planning and corruption is wreaking havoc in China as with the Three Gorges Dam and lowering of the water table by indiscriminate building of new cities.

The list goes on and that is what is how the US is fighting China.

Therefore, why should they go into a physical war with China?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[mylegend]

Nice Guy is not a Chinese....

 

[Ray]

Nice Guy is not a Chinese....

What is he then?

 

[HeinzGud]

What is he then?

Korean!!

 

[Ray]

Korean!!

It appears that some thought he is a Polynesian who lost his way!

I find no reason not to believe he is Chinese!

 

[asianobserve]

Its very stupid the talk about wars between major countries, there will be too much damage. You can see the USA, understand clearly that China is the enemy No. one, but only beat the small countries, the take the geopolitical advantage to contain China, but not have war with China.

It's true that there will be no direct shooting war between these countries. But there's an ongoing great chess game taking place between them, and despite Chinese bravado the pieces indicate that it is to checkmated.

 

[Ray]

There will be no war, but neither will they allow a free run to China to grab their land or the seas that belong to them.

 

[tandao]

Vietnam people......, they works like robots and eats everything even human.better to keep distance.

NOO, we eat everything but human , just kidding, we are not evil, why you said that?

 

[Ray]

Vietnamese eat humans?

That was experienced by the Chinese in the China Vietnam War of 1979?

 

[tandao]

The USA was the big loser at that time, directly defeated in the was, lost the south VN, failed to protect his allies in South east Aisa, also at home the financial situation became bad, before the USA had more than half productive capacity of the whole world, and guaranteed USD35 can buy one ounce gold from the U.S treasury, after the war, all these were gone.
China also loser, the war between NV can tell you this point.
Soviet a winner at the first, then the Soviet dissolved, all efforts lost.
VN reached the target to unite the south, become a united country, this is a big victory, so you are the only winner.
I only know few days ago, that Mao not support your unification after Nixon visited China, you see, we are told what the Government like us to know, I think you also do not know that China had sent anti air and engineering troops to VN to help you fought the war.

hi DMF,
we, Vietnamese all respect and appreciated China's helps on French war and in 60s years to build up our country, without your help we can not win that war, we are ALL appreciated your helps.

But you see, who is Mao, is he God? why he allow himself to set that North Vietnam and South VN should not be unite? That decision is ours!!! Vietnamese's decision, not Chinese.