Discussion in 'Foreign Relations' started by Yusuf, Apr 15, 2009.
can you clarify??
Well Indian influence was not enough to clear the loan for investment. It took pressure from both the US and Japan to get it through.
does it make a difference , the ends justify the means. don't be angry at your countrymen if you are really japanese.
Please point out where I seemed to be angry? I was showing you that it took FAR more than Indian diplomacy to get the loan pushed by China.
you got it finally!
maybe CHina should consider cancelling its financial support to ADB and marginalize ADB,just as CHina does with IMF and world bank in Africa.
you got it finally!
maybe CHina should consider cancelling its financial support to ADB and marginalize ADB,just as CHina does with IMF and world bank in Africa.[/QUOTE]
i agree China should cancel if they are contributing and still have no influence it becomes a big joke on them:blum3:
does it matter in the end result??
Yes it matters, b/c it implies dependance.
Well China got rich being slave labor to America it is also dependance or you don't view it that way?
koji the point is why did the japanese and the americans come to push this loan. they did not do it for fun sake, did they, and it was not as if they woke up one morning and felt that they should push if, if it had not been for the indian diplomatic efforts we would have not seen this day. face can be anyone but the efforts put in were very clearly put in by the indians themselves.
Asian Development Bank has approved 2.9-billion-dollar funding plan for India,..
where is the question of vetoe , i don't think china has any vetoe power in ADB on such issues ..
looks like Chinese have no influence in many places they think they do like ADB and even in the IMF, USA listens to china but it goes in one ear and out the other.
I don't think it can be said clearly that it was pushed entirely by Indian efforts. A LOT of self-interests could be served by this loan.
this loan really didn't matter since the Indian govt were going to do the projects from other funds but it became a matter of principle, and a wake up call to the free world of the future Chinese threat.
well mate as you used the term dependence i think that answered a lot of questions in it self, international diplomacy is all about give and take and yes just as there are self interests for the usa and japan same way there are a lot of self interests of india that get addressed as well, and quite clearly india's self interests getting addressed by this loan is not just one off case, such things keep happening on a lot of grounds on a lot of issues and in bargain others also look for benefits then where is the problem because no one will address others interests till the time our own interests are well taken care off even while addressing others interests.
Do you know why IMF and WB often accuse CHina of "non-conditional loans and aid" to African countries?
it is because that BOth IMF and WB feel they are marginalized by China in Africa.
well, china doesn't appreiciate IMF and WB, because CHina owns very limited vote of IMF and WB.
So ,most aid and loose loan to Africa from China turns around IMF and WB and directly given to African accepters in bilateral way.
the bilateral loan and aid from China is so popular in Africa today,that IMF and WB find that lots of Afican countries lost interest in their loans and both are losing their traditional market.
"if nobody needs loans of IMF and WB, then IMF and WB shoud “die" naturally.
if ADB ignores china's voice, I do think the time will come soon ,when ADB accuses CHIna of "turn around multiple-lateral way and take bilateral way."
Chinese are donating to Africa with the sole intention of looting it's resources same reason it is arming the different factions, if Chinese are donating and not getting their way i am sure chinese would not continue donating.
african are well known not to return back their loans....hahaha
soon chines be cutting their jungles to take away wood in return..hohoho
Give me a break. "A wake up call to the free world of the future Chinese threat"? This statement doesn't make sense when most countries are actively trying to have closer ties with China.
It was not the substance of the decision,but the principle that mattered here,great news indeed.
The Chicom autocrats would do great service to their fellow countrymen,if in the future they kindly not place China in a diplomatic quandary,the infinite and inescapable result of which is is China cutting a sorry and a despicable figure on the international arena...............but then whom am i kidding
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