China upbeat on growth, India lags behind

[Snuggy321]

so what, in China, no Chinese uses English name in their ID, over seas Chinese or Chinese working in international companies sometimes have a English first name to be more convenient.

It is NOT like in India, Anthony is Anthony's official name.

Overseas Chinese is an other story, the story started as most overseas were actually slave laboreurs and dissidents, plus later on pro-KMT migrants, they don't have the People's Repulic style cultural confidence, so they go on to use colonial names as Indian do. Tradition stays onces started.

Anthony was a Christian saint and not a english imperialist. Many Christians are named after him around the world, just like many Muslims are named after Mohamed.

 

[Impluseblade]

Ray- Since you are not living in US, I can tolerate your innocence.
LETHALFORCE- Are you nuts! I seriously doubt that you actually spent some time in US. Immigrants give their children English names, is there anything wrong with it? Chinese parents do that; Indian parents do that. In addition, it is a well known issue that Asian students face bias in the college application process.

Here are two links:
Harvard Targeted in U.S. Asian-American Discrimination Probe - Bloomberg
Asian-American group urges Supreme Court to bar race-conscious admissions | Inside Higher Ed

A brief filed Tuesday with the U.S. Supreme Court seeks to shake up the legal and political calculus of a case that could determine the constitutionality of programs in which colleges consider the race or ethnicity of applicants. In the brief, four Asian-American organizations call on the justices to bar all race-conscious admissions decisions, arguing that race-neutral policies are the only way for Asian-American applicants to get a fair shake.

It was filed on behalf of the 80-20 National Asian-American Educational Foundation, the National Federation of Indian American Associations, the Indian American Forum for Political Education, the Global Organization of People of Indian Origin and the Louis D. Brandeis Center for Human Rights Under Law.


Again, two ignorant Indians make ungrounded comments.

Are you suggesting that the Chinese named people are discriminated?

How come Indian names are admitted?

The Americans hate the Chinese?

Is that what you are suggesting?

 

[Impluseblade]

Many Indians in US shorten their first names for easy communications. Why do you think everything is related to racial discrimination? Do you feel insecure about your own identify and become so sensitive?

And an high sense of insecurity and embarrassment with names that foreigners are at a loss to pronounce.

Yet, with a high sense of national pride to sacrifice it all to make money to keep the feathers warm in comparison to others!

 

[pmaitra]

Here are two links:
Harvard Targeted in U.S. Asian-American Discrimination Probe - Bloomberg
Asian-American group urges Supreme Court to bar race-conscious admissions | Inside Higher Ed

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Rage]

Certainly, Indians in Western countries adopt Western nicknames to make it easier for native populations to address them. This is particularly true among Punjabis, whose names are easier subject to lexical/phonetic corruption and ridicule. But it is not true only among Indians. Chinese, Thai, Poles, Scandinavians and others, who don't usually don't have western-sounding names, also adopt them, or Anglicize them.

Christians in India: those that do have 'Christian' Western names, have them from birth. They are not lent or do not adopt them for reasons of expeditiousness- cultural, professional or migratory.

In some cases, it is a legacy of colonization and conversion; in others of inter-marriage. It's like Hong Kong'ers having British first names.

Besides, depending on where you go in India, you will find Christians with not just traditional 'Western': Anglo-Saxon to be precise- names, but Russian, Judaic, Portuguese or Tibetan names as well. Many of these are legacies of Orthodox strains of Christianity that came from these places. Many, many other Christians- particularly among the tribals of Central or North-east India, and East Indian Christians (of Marathi descent) have native/indigenous Indian names.

That is their religious identity [but not their national one]. It may have been a legacy of colonization at one time; it may not have: the earliest Christians date back to 57 AD in India. But today, it is purely a matter of preference.

And no, having folk with Christian or Muslim or Tibetan birth-names is not 'cultural doom', as one person put it. It genuinely enriches our society (Want to know why India is such a 'soft power' with global appeal, it is because it has citizens, with different names, that draw their religious and cultural-linguistic inspirations from all over the globe).

But,

@Ray , @cir , @Impluseblade , @nimo_cn ,

Why are we discussing this here in the first place?

 

[nimo_cn]

Certainly, Indians in Western countries adopt Western nicknames to make it easier for native populations to address them. This is particularly true among Punjabis, whose names are easier subject to lexical/phonetic corruption and ridicule. But it is not true only among Indians. Chinese, Thai, Poles, Scandinavians and others, who don't usually don't have western-sounding names, also adopt them, or Anglicize them.

Christians in India: those that do have 'Christian' Western names, have them from birth. They are not lent or do not adopt them for reasons of expeditiousness- cultural, professional or migratory.

In some cases, it is a legacy of colonization and conversion; in others of inter-marriage. It's like Hong Kong'ers having British first names.

Besides, depending on where you go in India, you will find Christians with not just traditional 'Western': Anglo-Saxon to be precise- names, but Russian, Judaic, Portuguese or Tibetan names as well. Many of these are legacies of Orthodox strains of Christianity that came from these places. Many, many other Christians- particularly among the tribals of Central or North-east India, and East Indian Christians (of Marathi descent) have native/indigenous Indian names.

That is their religious identity [but not their national one]. It may have been a legacy of colonization at one time; it may not have: the earliest Christians date back to 57 AD in India. But today, it is purely a matter of preference.

And no, having folk with Christian or Muslim or Tibetan birth-names is not 'cultural doom', as one person put it. It genuinely enriches our society (Want to know why India is such a 'soft power' with global appeal, it is because it has citizens, with different names, that draw their religious and cultural-linguistic inspirations from all over the globe).

But,

@Ray , @cir , @Impluseblade , @nimo_cn ,

Why are we discussing this here in the first place?

Because my country has been a hot topic here.

Shut down the China sub-forum for month and refrain from posting about China, we will disappear.

 

[Rage]

Because my country has been a hot topic here.

Shut down the China sub-forum for month and refrain from posting about China, we will disappear.

I'm asking you why you are discussing adopted names as a means to cultural sycophancy on a thread that is supposed to be discussing the economic growth prospects of two countries....?

 

[nimo_cn]

I'm asking you why you are discussing adopted names as a means to cultural sycophancy on a thread that is supposed to be discussing the economic growth prospects of two countries....?

Maybe you should ask the one who equaled adopting English names to cultural sycophancy?

 

[Rage]

Maybe you should ask the one who equaled adopting English names to cultural sycophancy?

I have.

In case you didn't notice it.

 

[Rage]

While S&P warns India of downgrade, Moody's says prospects bright

12 Dec 2012, Economic Times Bureau


NEW DELHI: Standard & Poor's on Tuesday warned again that India still faced one-in-three chance of downgrade in its sovereign rating to junk grade over the next 24 months citing high fiscal deficit and debt burden, but rival Moody's said the country's growth prospects for 2013 have improved.

"A downgrade is likely if India's economic growth prospects dim, its external position deteriorates, its political climate worsens, or fiscal reforms slow," the S&P said in a statement on Tuesday.

"High fiscal deficits and a heavy debt burden remain the most significant rating constraints" it said.

The ratings agency had in April cut the outlook on India's BBB- rating, lowest investment grade, to negative from stable, assigning one in three chance of a downgrade to below investment grade over the next eight quarters, or two years.

India's GDP growth dipped to 5.3% in the July-September quarter, a 14-quarter low, suggesting that the full year expansion could be a decade low of around 5%.

The S&P expects India's current account deficit to remain elevated at 4% of GDP in FY 2013, just short of the record high 4.1% of GDP in the previous fiscal.

It was also not confident of the country delivering on the five-year fiscal consolidation plan outlined by finance minister P Chidambaram in October, that envisages a reduction in the fiscal deficit to 4.5% of GDP in 2013-14.

"However, in our opinion, these targets may be beyond the reach of the current government, particularly if global oil prices increase significantly," the S&P said in the statement.

It said the ratings could stabilize if the government took measures to reduce fiscal deficit and improve investment climate. "Fiscal measures could include an increase in domestic fuel and fertilizer prices and more efficient use of subsidies, or early implementation of the proposed goods and service tax," it said.

However, it was not too hopeful on reforms. "Given the political cycle--with the next elections to be held by May 2014--we expect only modest progress in fiscal and public sector reforms."

Moody's, however, had a more upbeat assessment of the Indian economy, basing its assessment on recent reforms measures, change of guard at finance ministry and less internal opposition to reforms within the UPA after Mamta Banerjee's Trinamool Congress walked out of the coalition. "...(growth prospects have improved) with a new finance minister, the withdrawal of an obstinate coalition partner and a flurry of pro-business reforms designed to lift the economy from its funk...These moves are working," Moody's said in a report.

"India should...enjoy a better 2013, though for different reasons," Moody's said adding that "policy missteps and political paralysis" crushed business confidence and investment in 2012.

The rating agency further said that near-term risks around India's fiscal and external deficits have receded. "Business groups are more upbeat; this will translate into better investment and GDP growth, but not until well into 2013. The moves help to lock in our longer-term outlook," the it said.


While S&P warns India of downgrade, Moody's says prospects bright - The Economic Times